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Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:14:00 -
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In a daring covert operation the Minmatar Republic liberated over million slave from Ammatar space.
May many more be freed from bondage.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
12
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:41:00 -
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Well that was succinct.
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
94
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:52:00 -
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I know that in the past, I have criticized people for bloviating, but in this case, some additional detail is warranted.
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
93
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:32:00 -
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The Republic and Electus Matari appear that they wish to escalate the war by conducting this invasion. I can't help but wonder if Her Majesty might rethink our laws regarding taking new slaves from outside of the Empire after this? |
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:18:00 -
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Liberated? You went to their houses and took them, I imagine, which usually is called kidnapping instead of liberating. Those people were born where they are, they had their lifes there: their works, their loved and hated ones, their duties, joys and sufferings. You took that all away in a mere show of force camouflaged as righteousness. But it still is terrorism and human trafficking on a massive scale.
Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
393
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:20:00 -
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What are people talking about exactly ? Are you refering to something that happened ? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
75
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:26:00 -
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The news feed I am refering to. Republic and Electus Matari conduct opertion inside Ammatar border system. |
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
23
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:32:00 -
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I hope to see retaliation for this heinous act in the near future.
Aethion Mirra
Lieutenant and Recruitment Officer,-áPIE Inc.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
448
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:51:00 -
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They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten. |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
37
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:06:00 -
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Were it not for the souls that will be lost to God, I might toast this occasion. For no longer do liberals have any justification to pay heed to tribal complaints. No longer do the mewling voices of the tribal apologists carry weight in anyones ears. We are beholden to oppose illegal enslaving and current decrees from the Imperial throne make most all enslavement illegal.
The Tribes are testing to see if they will indeed receive as they give to the Faithful. Let us pray we shall see this reflected in Imperial policy sooner rather than later. Unbind our hands, let us focus on the protection of the Faithful and the advancement of Gods commandments. Instead of having to safeguard these heathens from those of our Faith.
It is time for the voices of the Faithful be heard over realpolitik. Let us bring retribution to those who continually raid us and continue to shelter all who break our laws in our sovereignity. Give Amarrian nobility back the rights to enslave these tribal heathens, clear these restictions from our path, declare all tribal areas free for slave taking. Or declare them lost to God and let us measure our grievances from them in ashes.
God, let this be the last spark in the pyre these heathens are building for themselves.
Baron Crow |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
178
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:12:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten.
Unfortunately Scherezad the issue is not only with the slaves lost, but in the political implications of this action. Breeches in sovereignty such as these embolden attackers on Greater Amarria while making those within it feel less secure. The result is more attacks from outside and a less stable society within our own borders, which instigates more violence, hardens Amarrian ideas on the Minmatar (as demonstrated by Lord Crow over there), and hinders the efforts of reformists who would like to see Matari slaves freed legally.
These short-sighted slave-freeing raids might impress freedom advocates for about a month, but all in all they do nothing to help their cause overall, while they hurt the overall health of the entire cluster. More forces worrying about freeing and defending slaves means less fending off the Blood Raiders, the Angel Cartel and Sansha's Nation, after all. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
395
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:22:00 -
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I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.
Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
400
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:37:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.
Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?
What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:52:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten.
If they were forgotten they would not be slaves. Slavery is a position of change, so we can soon call them brothers and friends. They are not forgotten at all, they are expected to join us sometime in the glory of the Empire. It is not the Empire alone they harm by taking them, they harm the slaves they are trying to save. It is quite a sad situation for all involved.
And, of course, the political implications captain Shutaq pointed out are most important. We are already in half-war with the Republic through the militias, if the Minmatarr start crossing borders, taking people, etc... then, things could escalate more.
Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:54:00 -
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I am all sorts of giddy about this. Please, please, please go to all out war over this issue. I hope my this time next year one of two outcomes have occurred: the Domain fleet is in orbit around Matar, or the Republic fleet is in orbit around Amarr Prime.
The two sides hopefully realize that this CONCORD enforced peace benefits neither of you. Withdraw from CONCORD (if someone could repeat the whole blowing them up, like before, that would be nice) and slug it out!
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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:58:00 -
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As much as I'd like the Empire to withdraw from CONCORD, wishing for a full fledged war certainly is only in the mind of a deranged person. The amount of death and suffering such an event would again bring can only be wished for by lunatics, so I guess you have left your pod in the middle of combat too often. We may have to go to war for politics, for the wellbeing of our loved ones or the Empire, for the future of slaves... there are many good reasons to go to war, but it shouldn't be desired. It is a duty to fulfill to the best of our capacities, but it's not something to like.
Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
239
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:02:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.
Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ? What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?
How did you think Moderates would react to a unilateral action designed to escalate the conflict? If you push Moderates to make a decision for one side or another, don't be surprised at their choices. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
451
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:10:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:If they were forgotten they would not be slaves. Slavery is a position of change, so we can soon call them brothers and friends. They are not forgotten at all, they are expected to join us sometime in the glory of the Empire. It is not the Empire alone they harm by taking them, they harm the slaves they are trying to save. It is quite a sad situation for all involved.
And, of course, the political implications captain Shutaq pointed out are most important. We are already in half-war with the Republic through the militias, if the Minmatarr start crossing borders, taking people, etc... then, things could escalate more.
Sir;
I do not generally speak lightly on the Summit, and never when the topic concerns the sanctity of life. I am not speaking from a position of ignorance or supposition.
Rest easily, sir. These were not your loved ones, nor your charges. They are your forgotten. Wish them a gentle future and perhaps that you might meet them again in better circumstances.
I make no comment at this time on the implication of this event in regards to the security of the Empire, and wish my allies therein all the best in ensuring their borders are secure and families safe and well. |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
38
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:04:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.
Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ? What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?
Extremists such as I? You mean the kind that will tell you honestly what they think of you? Maybe you mean the kind that will put their personal wants aside for contracts made by their government? Even after they are not legally bound by such contracts?
Perhaps you speak of the extremists who look at these clever little lies you Minmatar craft for your justifications, these little sidesteps you try to convince it really isn't your responcibility wjhat you do. Maybe you speak of those who have given the liberals time to show these people who continue to attack us can be reasoned with?
Or, do you speak of the extremists who will hunt their own for breaking their governments promises to yours? These extremists who in spite of themselves and their personal wants keep inviting you to show that you can be taken on your word. That you can be delt with as rational people?
Oh, how I wish your kind had extremists such as I and those far greater than me. But you do not, do you?
You have plenty who will always demand more: another slave freed, one more system taken and one more church vandalized.
You have plenty of those who will always condemn others: Too many slaves freed, how dare he believe as his family has and yet another extremist calling us on our misdeeds, so mean.
Give me one good reason why this extremist should save one more of your kin in your own sovereignity from any slaver. Since you clearly have too much time in your hands to go breaching our sovereignity.
I have plenty of reasons to oppose illegal slavery. I have plenty of reasons to hunt criminals. I have plenty of reasons to help Faithful secure themselves better. Tell me one reason why any man of Faith should ever extend any aid to your kin?
Crow |
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
379
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:41:00 -
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Well done, Eelectus Matari.
Excellent news.
"Modern Life is Rubbish"
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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
21
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:22:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:In a daring covert operation the Minmatar Republic liberated over million slaves from Ammatar space.
May many more be freed from bondage.
What is to become of these million freed slaves? Are you providing job placement and integration service? With all do respect, I've seen the Scope Reports on the Matari-Ammatar border and the living conditions in the already over crowded freedman camps are far from acceptable. Are they being sent to the Republic or the Federation? Details sir, would be much appreciated in a press release such as this so that the rest of New Eden knows your not simply taking those newly 'freed' slaves out of the fryer and into the fire.
Joblessness and Crime runs rampant in the Republic and it wasn't too long ago that the Angel Cartel held more sway over the local populace than the Republic Government did. I hope your organization is taking every step to insure that these people receive top of the line training that will make them relevant to today's industry or I'm afraid all your doing is taking them from physical slavery to economic slavery.
Respectfully,
Simon Louvaki
"Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu." |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
16
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:01:00 -
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If there are problems providing these people jobs, housing or care, let me know. I can hire and train a certain amount for my offices and storage hangars in Gulfonodi and my planned State locations, somewhere within the next couple of weeks. They will of course have to adjust to State standards when in the State. The Gulfonodi office will also work by State standards of course, but when off duty the local regulations and laws apply.
Just dumping your "loot" in even more overcrowded slums wouldn't really solve any situations. If need be, I'll even allow the employment contracts to have a "return to Republic Space" clause for when they're trained and self-sufficient.
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1197
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:10:00 -
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If any of your rescuees turn out to be trouble makers, dissidents, anti-social, or otherwise broken mentally, socially, or physically, TS-F will gladly take them in, fix them up, provide them with a purpose and with the tools necessary to make the most out of themselves. |
Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:33:00 -
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Myself and my family was kidnapped in such a raid. The refugee camps are little better than a prison without bars and a re-education camp. Shows of religious faith in God was harshly punished as a sign of some "invasion", but it was the Matar who were the invaders. There was no shortage of the faithful there, though. The experience is a gift of burden and a test of faith, and a lot of my fellow prisoners just couldn't pass that test. That doesn't mean that they were happy and anxious to be kidnapped, it just means that they were human, and would rather praise whatever rude god is put in front of them in return for safety. I consider myself blessed to have found my way back to civilization from there. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
16
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:37:00 -
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Lyrah Okkus wrote:Myself and my family was kidnapped in such a raid. The refugee camps are little better than a prison without bars and a re-education camp. Shows of religious faith in God was harshly punished as a sign of some "invasion", but it was the Matar who were the invaders. There was no shortage of the faithful there, though. The experience is a gift of burden and a test of faith, and a lot of my fellow prisoners just couldn't pass that test. That doesn't mean that they were happy and anxious to be kidnapped, it just means that they were human, and would rather praise whatever rude god is put in front of them in return for safety. I consider myself blessed to have found my way back to civilization from there.
And everyone should remember that this anecdotal evidence means that freeing slaves is very very bad! Stop freeing slaves! You monsters! Poor things, how could you, etc.
The above offer stands.
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:47:00 -
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I wasn't even a slave. There are plenty of people with Matar blood and features living free as Amarr citizens, thanks to the wisdom of the Reclamation, and terrorists on a smash and grab invasion aren't always careful. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
16
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:49:00 -
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Totally means everyone needs to stop trying to save what's left of their people.
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1198
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:52:00 -
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Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
16
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:17:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context.
The news article says EM simply provided an escort out. The actual logistic operation was by a different corporation. However, this raises an interesting question. What laws governs such things? Amarrian laws? Republic laws? When the people are liberated, which law holds sway?
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
38
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:24:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context. The news article says EM simply provided an escort out. The actual logistic operation was by a different corporation. However, this raises an interesting question. What laws governs such things? Amarrian laws? Republic laws? When the people are liberated, which law holds sway?
Have you ever asked to what law they refer when they claim that Admiral Blake? I will be much suprised if the have the nerve to lie and claim they follow sovereing law on where they currently are. Or of any respect to our laws.
In Amarr Amarrian law holds sway. By agreement of all Concord signatories. Any other claim by any claiming loalty to a signatory speaks volumes. |
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