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TalonKard	Posted - 2005.06.27 20:08:00 - [1] I must say I am getting tired of the Angel Extraveganza. I'm floating around the local solar system with the thoughts of killing an hour or two so I popped round to see my favourite agent, working for the Caldari navy, you know, the best navy in the known universe. Anyway, without reminding the other cultures of their lack luster craft and general dissarray too much, I digress. So, I request from my good buddy in the navy a little light work for one who's bored. What does he suggest? That I go and destroy half of the Angel cartel.... Well, I says to him, "I'd love to, but not today. I have to wash my pod. How about something less taxing?" Well he says, "I do have another mission, we recently spotted THE OTHER HALF of the damn angel cartel, how about them?" So I say, "Damn it, my alloy wheels need cleaning!! Now I guess I have to go for it, remembering that for some reason all Angel cartel employees will be secretly cloned sometime tomorrow........" He used to be my favourite agent, but having done this to me on more than one occasion he is likely to get the next set of RdB's he bribes me with inserted where the sun don't shine! Thanks for reading my fellow Capsuleers, I hope that one day these inconviniences will be a thing of the past! Regards, Tony Sharpe, who's going to be late for work again tomorrow.......
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2005.06.27 20:35:00 - [2] I agree. For a mission that time consuming it's far too frequent. If they absolutely want the mission in the game they could make two versions of it. One like the other Extravanzas, with three levels, and the current one. Or they could implement a mechanism that prevents the same mission from being given out after it was declined.
Cyber Baron	Posted - 2005.06.27 20:43:00 - [3] Had it twice in a raw too yesterday. Only thing to do if you are not in a mood to spend 2 hours concentrated on it, is to just wait 4 hours and spend this time on another agent...
Siroc	Posted - 2005.06.27 20:43:00 - [4] at level 4, 80% of missions are long multi warp, multi spawn missions. So get used to it.
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.06.27 20:52:00 - [5] Its probably so frequent because so many people decline it. I seem to recall that there is a mission pool, and missions that haven't been done for a while become commonplace until they are common and things even out. So..uhh..blame mission runners. Thats pretty common anyways --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.27 21:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Zaintiraris Its probably so frequent because so many people decline it. I seem to recall that there is a mission pool, and missions that haven't been done for a while become commonplace until they are common and things even out. So..uhh..blame mission runners. Thats pretty common anyways whoops, my bad.
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2005.06.28 01:38:00 - [7] This mission takes me less than an hour from acceptence to collecting the reward (54 minutes last time for me to be exact) (and I kill every structure too, except the ruined stargate). Anyway you are trying to imply it takes you more than 2 hours? When I say I do it in less than an hour I bookmark a can in each of the 5 areas and clear all the loot in about another 20 minutes after getting the reward using a 800m/s bestower with 4200m¦ of space. So in all it doesn't take longer than 80-odd minutes. I do it in an Apocalypse, what are you using? Blowing s**t up since May 2003
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.28 02:24:00 - [8] Originally by: GlimmerMan This mission takes me less than an hour from acceptence to collecting the reward (54 minutes last time for me to be exact) (and I kill every structure too, except the ruined stargate). Anyway you are trying to imply it takes you more than 2 hours? When I say I do it in less than an hour I bookmark a can in each of the 5 areas and clear all the loot in about another 20 minutes after getting the reward using a 800m/s bestower with 4200m¦ of space. So in all it doesn't take longer than 80-odd minutes. I do it in an Apocalypse, what are you using? Care to share your setup? I have max fitting skills and 8 1/2 mill SP in gunnery and I hate this mission too.
BigBadToughGuy	Posted - 2005.06.28 02:32:00 - [9] I have to agree with Glimmerman, while I haven't broken an hour I'm not off by much. I use a Raven with six basic siege launchers, nothing fancy or high tech. Just make sure you use the right torpedo and they pop pretty easy. Timing is important, learn how many torps each ship type requires, fire them at him and then fire at another. You start seeing them pop all in a row.
Bleakheart	Posted - 2005.06.28 03:53:00 - [10] Originally by: GlimmerMan This mission takes me less than an hour from acceptence to collecting the reward (54 minutes last time for me to be exact) (and I kill every structure too, except the ruined stargate). Anyway you are trying to imply it takes you more than 2 hours? When I say I do it in less than an hour I bookmark a can in each of the 5 areas and clear all the loot in about another 20 minutes after getting the reward using a 800m/s bestower with 4200m¦ of space. So in all it doesn't take longer than 80-odd minutes. I do it in an Apocalypse, what are you using? We talking about the L3 or L4 here? Don't see any BS bounties in there is all. Gotta be an L3 mission...
mimik	Posted - 2005.06.28 05:07:00 - [11] Originally by: GlimmerMan This mission takes me less than an hour from acceptence to collecting the reward (54 minutes last time for me to be exact) (and I kill every structure too, except the ruined stargate). Anyway you are trying to imply it takes you more than 2 hours? When I say I do it in less than an hour I bookmark a can in each of the 5 areas and clear all the loot in about another 20 minutes after getting the reward using a 800m/s bestower with 4200m¦ of space. So in all it doesn't take longer than 80-odd minutes. I do it in an Apocalypse, what are you using? b*****ks - there is no way its possible to do a lvl4 angel extravaganza in 54 minutes in an apoc. with t2 guns and a pretty good tank it takes me 2 hours and thats without killing structures. at speed an apoc goes it takes 10-15 minutes just to travel across area3. even paired with a corpmate i have struggled to break an hour and thats 2 pilots both with in excess of 20 mill sps - one set to tank and other in a raven set for max damage.
Ishtari	Posted - 2005.06.28 05:16:00 - [12] lvl 3 canb easily be soloed in less then 2 hours including loot pickup. lvl 4 I m not touching it solo in my domi. For loot pickup I m using a probe with mwd2.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2005.06.28 07:44:00 - [13] Originally by: GlimmerMan This mission takes me less than an hour from acceptence to collecting the reward (54 minutes last time for me to be exact) (and I kill every structure too, except the ruined stargate). Anyway you are trying to imply it takes you more than 2 hours? When I say I do it in less than an hour I bookmark a can in each of the 5 areas and clear all the loot in about another 20 minutes after getting the reward using a 800m/s bestower with 4200m¦ of space. So in all it doesn't take longer than 80-odd minutes. I do it in an Apocalypse, what are you using? Where are all the battleships
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.06.28 08:01:00 - [14] In one part of the lvl 4 Angel Extrav it takes like 10-15 mins to get to one of the gates (unless they changed it havent done it for a while)if you dont have an AB, so in under an hour would be pushing it esp by yourself.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.06.28 08:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 28/06/2005 08:01:00 double post
Scrofalitic One	Posted - 2005.06.28 10:02:00 - [16] At level 3, and using a Cyclone (Battle Cruiser) this mission is nigh on impossible! Maybe just my rather avergae skills, and bog standard mods, but with all the warping away to recovber shiled/buy more cap charges/ etc etc it takes around 45 - 60 mins per level. So 4 hours or so minimum to do a mission... Sucks to be honest :) Most times I reject it, and on a few occasions have accepted it and then begged in local for a friendly chap in a BS to come and help out. I need to get more active corp mates :P
Brather	Posted - 2005.06.28 11:11:00 - [17] the lvl 3 of this mission is doable as said i have yet to hit it under an hour though the lvl 4 is a 2 hr ordeal no way arround it I fly a raven with maxed missile skills for tanking 2x hardeners 2x cap rech IIs xl cl5 booster and shield boost amp lows 2x named ballistic controls and carp relay Iis so far the dmg is tankable and using the right torps makes it all the easier oww and Drones are your best friends
Mannakin	Posted - 2005.06.28 11:42:00 - [18] I would say under an hour on the lvl 4 is not possible. From my notes: Angel Extravaganza Deadspace Use explosive ammo, most of the BS are very fast and do good damage close up 5 levels 1st lvl 13 frig/cruisers + 1 BS (500k) 3 cruiser + 2 BS (1.25mil) 4 frig/5cruisers 2nd lvl 7 cruiser + 1 BS (1.5mil) 5 inty + 3 cruisers 2 inty + 3 cruiser +1 BS (2mil) 3rd lvl 6 light missle, 2 heavy missle, 1 cruise missle turrets 2 cruisers and 3 sentry guns (do 50-150 damage) 4th lvl 2 frig + 5 cruiser + 2 BS (1 mil) Make sure you destroy the silo in this level as it usually drops an implant 5th lvl 1 inty, 2 cruisers and 2 BS agro immediately 3 frig, 4 cruiser + 2 BS 6 frig, 4 cruisers + BS (1 mil) Tiogo Karagaz (2.75mil BS) + 2 spider drones Pretty hard mission to solo (maybe the hardest) Takes ages to solo, but the bounties are nice :)
Diana Merris	Posted - 2005.06.28 11:45:00 - [19] People are taking an hour to do a level 3 extravaganza in a BS? I've done it in under 2 hours in a Rupture.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.28 12:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Diana Merris People are taking an hour to do a level 3 extravaganza in a BS? I've done it in under 2 hours in a Rupture. I think hes talking about the level 4
Siroc	Posted - 2005.06.28 20:56:00 - [21] yeah, agree, 1 hour for level 4 extravaganza is too little. I am in Typhoon, takes around 1.5h-2h. On a good note, you can still solo it in most battleships :) From what I understand, it was not intended to let people solo level 4s and they are fixing it next patch. So those missions are designed in mind for group and group could walk through it in half an hour.
Bleakheart	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Diana Merris People are taking an hour to do a level 3 extravaganza in a BS? I've done it in under 2 hours in a Rupture. I think hes talking about the level 4 There's not a single battleship bounty in that linked list. I mean, where are the Gist Seraphim? So this whole "I do it under an hour" stuff? Yeah, just about every single L3 out there is a less-than-an-hour undertaking, especially in a bs.
Bleakheart	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Siroc yeah, agree, 1 hour for level 4 extravaganza is too little. I am in Typhoon, takes around 1.5h-2h. On a good note, you can still solo it in most battleships :) From what I understand, it was not intended to let people solo level 4s and they are fixing it next patch. So those missions are designed in mind for group and group could walk through it in half an hour. Not really. I've grouped with folks on this one as an L4 and it still takes a little while. Then there's that bloody level 3 to level 4 gate that's 72km from the jump-in point that takes me 15 minutes to get to. Granted I only grouped for it twice out of the four or five times I've gotten it, but after losing a raven topped off with Arbies on the bonus level, and then watching our intrepid gankageddon pilot agro the wrong group on the next one... I got a little gunshy of grouping for it.
Verizana	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:38:00 - [24] You guys just don't get it. STOP DOING MISSIONS! GO 0.0! ---------- "There will come days when sleep walking isn't good enough, and when you post a frckn comment on auction thr
Hornymatt	Posted - 2005.06.29 14:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Verizana You guys just don't get it. STOP DOING MISSIONS! GO 0.0! Whenever I try and poke my nose into 0.0 all I get is "this is claimed space", "you can't be here as you're not in our alliance" etc. etc. (I've even been accused of being an alt spy). So in the end I spend more time dodging those who want to pod me for being there, rather than NPC-ing something more challenging than mission rats or just taking in the sights of 0.0
Siroc	Posted - 2005.06.29 15:09:00 - [26] probably because your battleships do not have AB installed. Its a MUST for missions. Makes them a lot faster which means more money. My ship moves at 500m/s, does not take too long to traver. Even if you use slower boat, you can get it to move at around 400m/s on one AB with no other speed boosters like nanos or overdrives. Originally by: Bleakheart Originally by: Siroc yeah, agree, 1 hour for level 4 extravaganza is too little. I am in Typhoon, takes around 1.5h-2h. On a good note, you can still solo it in most battleships :) From what I understand, it was not intended to let people solo level 4s and they are fixing it next patch. So those missions are designed in mind for group and group could walk through it in half an hour. Not really. I've grouped with folks on this one as an L4 and it still takes a little while. Then there's that bloody level 3 to level 4 gate that's 72km from the jump-in point that takes me 15 minutes to get to. Granted I only grouped for it twice out of the four or five times I've gotten it, but after losing a raven topped off with Arbies on the bonus level, and then watching our intrepid gankageddon pilot agro the wrong group on the next one... I got a little gunshy of grouping for it.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.29 15:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Hornymatt Originally by: Verizana You guys just don't get it. STOP DOING MISSIONS! GO 0.0! Whenever I try and poke my nose into 0.0 all I get is "this is claimed space", "you can't be here as you're not in our alliance" etc. etc. (I've even been accused of being an alt spy). So in the end I spend more time dodging those who want to pod me for being there, rather than NPC-ing something more challenging than mission rats or just taking in the sights of 0.0 Lets see. 0.0 areas are defended by groups of people. You are a solo person trying to go there. How about you get some other people, all get in your uber NPC BS, and go? Oh nm wait that would mean interacting with people and not your NPC agent, sorry.
Siroc	Posted - 2005.06.29 15:44:00 - [28] DrunkenOne, you know, this is a mission forum, people here talk about missions which means NPC and not PvP. so he does valid point. And configuration of battleship for PvP is totaly different from mission runner. So few mission runner battleships will die quickly to few PvP battleships so its not very fair fight. On another hand I would realy wana see you do level 4s solo reliably in a gank setup that is so common in PvP. Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Hornymatt Originally by: Verizana You guys just don't get it. STOP DOING MISSIONS! GO 0.0! Whenever I try and poke my nose into 0.0 all I get is "this is claimed space", "you can't be here as you're not in our alliance" etc. etc. (I've even been accused of being an alt spy). So in the end I spend more time dodging those who want to pod me for being there, rather than NPC-ing something more challenging than mission rats or just taking in the sights of 0.0 Lets see. 0.0 areas are defended by groups of people. You are a solo person trying to go there. How about you get some other people, all get in your uber NPC BS, and go? Oh nm wait that would mean interacting with people and not your NPC agent, sorry.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Verizana You guys just don't get it. STOP DOING MISSIONS! GO 0.0! Err, stfu. Thank you
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Siroc DrunkenOne, you know, this is a mission forum, people here talk about missions which means NPC and not PvP. so he does valid point. And configuration of battleship for PvP is totaly different from mission runner. So few mission runner battleships will die quickly to few PvP battleships so its not very fair fight. On another hand I would realy wana see you do level 4s solo reliably in a gank setup that is so common in PvP. So its impossible for say, 7 of you guys in ravens an apocs or whatever you use for missions, to fly up to guristas space, with your npc loadouts (which are the same as pvp loadouts on a raven...), get up there, dock, refit, and then run missions? A 7 BS force can get through somewhere easilly if they have instas and move quickly. Not many gate camps consist of enough BS to take that force down, and it takes a little bit to assemble the 5+ BS that would be needed to stop you, by which time you would be gone.

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