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Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 14:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 14:56:05 Why not Canada? Its in north america its not terribly expensive to travel to and you can get a renvue much cheaper if you choose the right location. For example there are fantastic venues at any of the casino's (montreal, niagara falls for example_.. im sure they will give CCP a HUEG discount because of the number of people they will bring into the casino. Its easy enough for everyone to get into the country... Please at least consider this kind of thing.. Yes it will cost more than having it in Iceland but you will get MUCH more support and a ton of new people.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:50:00 - [2] Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 15:52:02 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 15:11:48 Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 14:56:05 Why not Canada? Its in north america its not terribly expensive to travel to and you can get a venue much cheaper if you choose the right location. For example there are fantastic venues at any of the casino's (montreal, niagara falls for example_.. im sure they will give CCP a HUEG discount because of the number of people they will bring into the casino. Its easy enough for everyone to get into the country... Please at least consider this kind of thing.. Yes it will cost more than having it in Iceland but you will get MUCH more support and a ton of new people. To be honest a European venue will get more visitors than Canada as most of the player base is in Europe. I think Iceland is a good venue. I always blow the trumpet for my home country. I am sure CCP are justifiably proud of their country and whoever goes will have a blast. Problem with hosting it in iceland is 99% of the eve population has to fly there.. which costs money that a lot of people simply cant afford. Europe is fine but it has to be in a place where you can get more people (IE not iceland). The Euro is really strong right now as well so financially it would be more difficult.. Canada offers a safe, hospitable and easy to travel to location. Holding it in Montreal would work well because both french and english are spoken there. Add to all this the weaker canadian dollar and the possibility of a low cost high quality venue and it should look like a very attractive place to host a multinational fanfest
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Hulemand Let's have a get-to-gether in a country with cheap food and beer, like Germany Leagal drinking/gambling age in Montreal is 18! More people can attend.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Bhaal I vote for Toronto, hold the fanfest at the observation deck of the CN tower! Is that the deck with the glass floors? Cause yah, that'd be extremely freaky after a few drinks First floor is the one with the glass but thats only a small part of the floor.. theres 2 floors one open air the other closed up. Base of the Tower has conference rooms you can use and up the tower you can have other things but theres no chance of renting out the tower
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:00:00 - [5] Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 16:01:53 Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Holding it in Montreal would work well because both french and english are spoken there. Add to all this the weaker canadian dollar and the possibility of a low cost high quality venue and it should look like a very attractive place to host a multinational fanfest Well, Quebec is pretty hostile to us Americans... (they see a US license plate, they deem it as thier duty to steal, smash or burn your car, etc...) Not bashing Wrangler, just speaking from personal experience, not just mine, but many family & co-workers as well... I'd rather see it in Toronto... Dunno where this happened to you but Montreal is not like the rest of Quebec.. Montreal is a Canadian city Although i live in Toronto i would rather see it in Montreal beause the Casino will hold everything cheaper and with both languuages you will have less of a language barrier.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Winterblink Nah, don't bother holding it in eastern Canada. Come out west, where the air is cleaner, the beer is fresher, the women are hotter, and the malls are bigger. That and we can all have a barbeque at Blink's place. :) The air is also thiner it would seem ... nah it would just cost more to fly our to the west.. it just makes more sense to have it somewhere in eastern Canada... A player gathering would be nice but to have somehting official from CCP would really solidify EVE in north america. EVE hasnt really broken through here and something like this could really boost EVE's reputation in North America. Originally by: Bhaal I'd vote for the new Casino Niagara, it's brand new, and pretty awesome inside... Plus Niagara Falls, etc... Yeah the new Fallsview casino is fantastic very vegas like.. however the problem with niagara is flying in internationally would be dificult. The closest major internatinal airport would be Toronto.. or maybe buffalo but i dont think you can fly in from iceland to buffalo :)
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Yeah the new Fallsview casino is fantastic very vegas like.. however the problem with niagara is flying in internationally would be dificult. The closest major internatinal airport would be Toronto.. or maybe buffalo but i dont think you can fly in from iceland to buffalo :) Niagara Falls International Airport Yeah, would be better to fly to Toronto, hold it in CN tower like I said initially :) I believe that airport is in the US which is what concerns some people. Flying directly into Canada is what we're after. I' love to have it in Toronto but i just dont see it being as cheap as if it were somewhere with a casino.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 28/06/2005 17:02:07 Quote: I believe that airport is in the US which is what concerns some people. Flying directly into Canada is what we're after. Yes, yes it is as I live about 10 miles from it... True, flying into US, then crossing the border to Canada would suck... Would Montreal be that much cheaper than Toronto? Not much cheaper but much more acomodating given Montreal has a casino and Toronto does not. Plus two languages makes it a bit moer atractive to people from France or anywhere else french is spoken. Yeah Niagara has its ups for sure, with my players card to the casino i can bus down to niagara for $5 from Toronto so thats no problem.. But anyways, its not like CCP would ever do this.. unless someone planned the whole thing for CCP and all they had to do was throw oround the cash and show up... Shame... would really make sense to make fanfest at a more player friendly location.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Not much cheaper but much more acomodating given Montreal has a casino and Toronto does not. Plus two languages makes it a bit moer atractive to people from France or anywhere else french is spoken. I went to Quebec with a girl from France, she was laughing at how they butchered her language... its the same language only they say things differently.. Like someone frm New york talking to Someone from texas... same language difference way of pronouncing words.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:38:00 - [10] my main concern with this whole fanfest thing is how many people can actually attend. If CCP holds a DEV freindly but player unfriendly fanfest then whats the point. The idea in this event is to showcase EVE and have a large CCP organized gathering of players around the world. Right now iceland just isnt the best location. Please organize something official at a location more people can attemd. Not just for our benefit but for the exposure of EVE.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Raid on 28/06/2005 19:16:48 weee double post
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 28/06/2005 18:45:43 Yes, but you can't pick a location that will make EVERYBODY happy. There's always going to be someone faced with travelling like 8 timezones to get there who will complain that it should be closer. You'll never make everyone happy but im sure they would make MANY more people happy if they hold the event outside of iceland... somewhere in mainland europe or in north america.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Raid You'll never make everyone happy but im sure they would make MANY more people happy if they hold the event outside of iceland. I'm not sure why. If pricing's an issue, well guess what -- it costs to fly anywhere. Flight cost is not the only factor in this. There isn't exactly a whole lot of option when holding the event in iceland. You can choose from a handful of flight mostly on the same airline. Once your there you have a very limited number of hotels to stay at. Yes it costs to fly, but holding it in mainland europe means more people can take other means of transportation there. Holding it in North america and again you have a large chunk of the eve population that can find alternate means of transportation and lodging. Its not just the cost of flying, the whole thing from top to bottom might just be better for the fans if it were held closer to where they live. Cant make em all happen but you can sure as hell make many many more people happy.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Winterblink Yes, but it's a more interesting destination than say Cleveland. Thats only because you've been to Cleveland and never to Iceland. Im sure lots of people would enjoy an indians game and a trip to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame :) But anyways, its not a knock against iceland or anything... It would just be better to have fanfest somewhere where you could get more Fans (new and old) to attend. Not much new exposure to be found in iceland...
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 20:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Raid Originally by: Winterblink Yes, but it's a more interesting destination than say Cleveland. Thats only because you've been to Cleveland and never to Iceland. Im sure lots of people would enjoy an indians game and a trip to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame :) But anyways, its not a knock against iceland or anything... It would just be better to have fanfest somewhere where you could get more Fans (new and old) to attend. Not much new exposure to be found in iceland... Its a fanfest, not a marketing road trip. It's for established players, most of which are in Europe. I can tell you from experience that one English speaking country is pretty much like another. Go to a truly "foreign" country and you get different cuisine, tradition and culture. Iceland will blow your mind in ways that Cleveland just cant compare to. Hmmm i was want to say again that this has nothing to do with the country or its culture but only with its location. Again im not really concerned about money or anything like that.. mearly its location being away from well over 90% of the EVE population. Its a fanfest i know and its nice that its in a unique country where the game was born but the location just isnt player friendly. Only a small percentage of the population can even think about attending it. A fanfest should be something where fans have an oportunity to attend.. not ALL of them but a larger chunk than what the current fanfest is available to.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 20:08:00 - [16] Please no flames against a country beyond this line ---------------------------------------------------
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.28 21:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Raid But anyways, its not a knock against iceland or anything... It would just be better to have fanfest somewhere where you could get more Fans (new and old) to attend. Not much new exposure to be found in iceland... I'd say no matter which side of the pond you put it on, you're going to "alienate" a vast percentage of fans. It's a win/win and lose/lose situation. Im really not all that concerned about what side of the pond its on. Of course your not going to please a lot of people. My argument is you'll please a lot more if you pick europe or north america over iceland. A location where fans can attend easier would yield a larger turnout.
Raid	Posted - 2005.06.29 13:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Heinky Why would america or europe be a better location ? Iceland is in between the 2. Because Iceland is not a good location for either of the two. 90% of the eve population has to spend a great deal of money to fly there.

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