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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2013.01.21 13:32:00 -
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Two shield-tanked Curses can neut as much as one Bhaalgorn at 37 km range with smaller sig and higher transversal.
One Arazu can dampen two and a half buffertanked webbing Lokis with a full rack of webs and painters down to 12 km targeting range even without ewar fleet boost. With mindlinked Eos booster, two damps reduce that Loki to 7.4 km targeting range. If the Loki has counter-modules fitted, it has reduced number of webbers and painters and/or a lot less tank and still won't be able to target at more than 15-20 km range.
Did anyone even try to use anything else than the same T3 blob every time?
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2013.01.21 14:07:00 -
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Sure it's no iwin button but when you have several Arazus who instantly pull range from the dreads and their Loki escorts they remove the dreads' dps before more than one or two can be webbed and killed, if even that. Three boosted damps will reduce a Loki to 4.5 km targeting range. And you need less Arazus than the enemy has Lokis, even though Arazus are a lot cheaper.
Without the dread dps, the other side would then have to have enough subcaps to negate your logistics and kill the Arazus, which can easily have 40k EHP and good resists. If the enemy has that many dps subcaps in addition to his dreads and Lokis, he is probably superior anyway so the dread blappiness is not the issue anymore.
With a few Arazus you probably wouldn't even need to rely on Curses for neuting because unwebbed afterburning Bhaals can easily escape the dreads' tracking.
Admittedly I'm being an armchair general here but I don't see why that shouldn't work against a typical dread-loki-fleet, especially one that has not taken precautions against this kind of attack.
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:08:00 -
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Would 8 defending dreads, spread out, even need a lot of webbing? Any target will probably always have minimum transversal to at least one of them. Isn't the biggest problem that the attackers are always limited to 3 capitals maximum in any spontaneous encounter, while the defenders can have unlimited amounts of them?
If there was some feasible way to limit the number of caps in a hole or on a grid...
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2013.01.24 13:18:00 -
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One thing seems pretty clear: As there are no battleship fleets in w-space, if you nerf dreads such that they become completely useless against (T3) cruisers, they become useless altogether except for dumb activities like sieges and PvE. I think that would be a pity because dreadnoughts are pretty awesome and they are the only real bad-ass ship available to us w-space people.
If T3s, which are expensive but very fast to train for, are the only ships worth using in w-space, what's the point? Newer players in w-space need some inspiring long-term goals too...
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2013.01.25 10:17:00 -
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Every POS that is set up with the sole intent of doing pve against sleepers and not do pvp is a farm op, whether that POS stands for 1 day or 5 years.
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:32:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Tech 3 battleships would be cool. One of their propulsion systems could be for reducing the effect of their mass on wormhole transiting, so you could use more than a handful of them in a hole and hope to come home.
Sounds cool 
Although, if T3 battleships scale in price from T1 battleships similar to how T3 cruisers scale up from T1 cruisers, they'd cost 50 billion apiece 
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:07:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:obviously i havnt fought everyone who's out there with dreads so maybe i just havnt run into these brave small defending corps.
if these small corps that will engage with small numbers really do exist then i want to meet them because WH space needs more of you.
I've seen it... once. We engaged a small corp that only had three pilots online, probably only two players. And they fielded a Moros, a triage Archon and a Vigilant against our ~12 man fleet. Now 12 isn't that much either, but they couldn't be sure that this would be all we had when they committed their caps. They blapped one of our ships and we had to retreat. The name of the corp was "Iron BaIIs" and they lived up to it
Other than that one time though, I've never seen or heard of such corps either.
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