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rofflesausage
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.01.21 10:41:00 -
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Two step wrote:My issue with dread blapping is that there isn't a counter to it other than "bring more stuff".
So exactly the same as every other area of Eve. Can't hold your Sov? Bring more stuff. Can't hold your FW systems? Bring more stuff. Can't mine belts out before others? Bring more stuff.
Eve is built around "bring more stuff" from the ground up. If there is a problem, it's not exclusive to wormholes.
Two step wrote:I am fine with dreads killing caps and battleships, but if I show up in small sig cruisers, dreads shouldn't be dominant.
There are counters to dreads. You only need to look at the evictions that happen by the major WH alliances. No one fields a fleet of nothing but dreads in a WH and wins. You still need a subcap fleet to support them.
If your cruisers are at the point where they're multi-webbed and multi-painted, the subcap fleet is going to kill them anyway.
Two step wrote:FYI, this isn't something that I just came up with out of thin air, this has been a frequent complaint I have heard from many different corps and alliances. What makes EVE PVP great is that you should always be able to counter a specific fleet setup without just bringing 2x the numbers. That isn't the case with dreads + webs/painters.
Again, this isn't a WH problem.
I think the issue you're talking of here is a slightly different one than what you're saying - it's not easy to deploy a counter fleet in a target WH due to mass limitations. *That* is WH specific, but even then, I don't think it's an issue.
Wormholes are quite literally the only place in Eve where small corps can almost exclusively use a 0 sec system if they use their brains. If a small corp tried to field dreads in null, they'd get blobbed in seconds.
It's great that smaller corps can have a home advantage in a WH. I know of quite a few carebear corps that have ended up in WHs because of it. It's hardly unreasonable that a multi billion ISK ship + subcap support can kill "small sig cruisers". Those cruisers were dead anyway. |
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.21 10:49:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote:
This complaint is a side effect of how wormhole space has evolved. It will continue to evolve to counter these things. Just because team 1 like their fleet comp and wants to be able to stick with said fleet comp, doesn't mean that team 2 has to get nerfed based on what team 1 says. Team 1 have to come up with a counter strategy to beat team 2.
This is too much sense for the Eve forums.
WHs tactics evolve very fast compared to the rest of Eve. Given that KILL and others are still kicking other people out of THEIR wormholes, handling mass issues, this "dread issue", ammo and all associated deployment concerns, this just sounds like a case of people who can't / won't adapt crying.
If KILL can do it, others can. |
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.21 11:35:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
Bottom line is that the moros IS way out of line with the other dreads and that all turret dreads hit sub BSs way too well for what they are. You can argue it however you like but it's a fact that anyone who has ever shot at subs in a dread knows.
This is not a wormhole issue. |
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