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BEPOHNKA
Legions Force
16
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:49:00 -
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odyssey - theme of the may.A long and eventful journey.
Will be making a theme Art work to go along with it in next few days.... |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1173
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:52:00 -
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It would be nice to get a larger portion of the community posting in this thread, so we could get a more accurate view of what people want. It seems a shame, that given the opportunity, people don't know that this is here. Perhaps some coverage, or a dev blog would get you a greater portion of the community posting their thoughts.
That is, if you want a more realistic representation of the player base. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
384
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:37:00 -
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A better NPE, preferably a clean-sheet reworking. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1001
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Posted - 2013.01.22 08:49:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:You know, going by some of the most active threads on the forum. I think to the two main themes that have arisen are.
Giving players a home in space - modular POS revamp Exploration - avatar exploration of sleeper structures, ring mining, new resources
What do you think CSM? I went with Exploration and a broader theme of focus on the individual and their ability to express themselves + affect the game. That included being able to build a home but goes beyond it to other things, like supporting bottom-up alliance income and a few other nice things CCP had on the menu. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM 4 vet, CSM7 Hero Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Rancor Kane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:57:00 -
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Theme: "To boldly go where no ONE has gone before"
where it: - behind that door - in to unknown space - in orbit - crashing in clodable object, or in eachother - in a mine field - in hyperspace.
After a couple of expantions that where focused on repairing exsiting stuff, which is greatly apreaciated, I long for something new.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1650
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:03:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Flamespar wrote:You know, going by some of the most active threads on the forum. I think to the two main themes that have arisen are.
Giving players a home in space - modular POS revamp Exploration - avatar exploration of sleeper structures, ring mining, new resources
What do you think CSM? I went with Exploration and a broader theme of focus on the individual and their ability to express themselves + affect the game. That included being able to build a home but goes beyond it to other things, like supporting bottom-up alliance income and a few other nice things CCP had on the menu. POS +1 Bottom up income +1 (I hope that includes the death of top down) Nice one :) Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Niveuss Nye
The Advent of Faith
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 13:41:00 -
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So... CSM guys, did they make up thier mind on theme or do they still have duct tape over your mouths with some annoying NDA? |
Chirality Tisteloin
Zervas Aeronautics WHY so Seri0Us
11
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:38:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: ... We received a further task: to create our own themes, in order to help CCP Seagull understand what kind of themes the Community might like. While we obviously don't have the same information as CCP teams do (such as the complexity of some of the features and their interactions), she feels that this will be useful in helping evaluate CCP's theme proposals. We will be delivering these themes on Monday, 1/21.
I'd be curious to know what came out of this?
Trebor Daehdoow wrote: ... Once all the themes are received, CSM will be provided with copies of all of them. By the end of the week, CCP Seagull will have created a shortlist of candidate themes, and CSM will be told which they are. We currently are scheduled to discuss the shortlist with her on Monday, 1/28. ...
Or will you tell us only after next monday?
Cheers! Chira.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.23 00:13:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM 4 vet, CSM7 Hero Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.23 00:14:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM 4 vet, CSM7 Hero Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.23 00:14:00 -
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Chirality Tisteloin wrote: I'd be curious to know what came out of this?
I CAME!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/215/068/96075%20-%20artist%253Ajohn_joseco%20celestia%20i_came%20luna%20Molestia%20pinkie_pie.png
Since we were arranging potential features in the various team pipelines I doubt we'll be able to go into what specific features went into our themes. And probably wont be able to say what theme CCP ultimately picks. I'm sure they'd prefer to do a proper dev blog about that. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM 4 vet, CSM7 Hero Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
3
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Posted - 2013.01.23 04:23:00 -
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Sadly I came across this thread too late to post my suggestion. Is it still worth sending my suggestion to CSM or Seagull for the winter release? |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2542
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:37:00 -
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Chirality Tisteloin wrote:I'd be curious to know what came out of this? Or will you tell us only after next monday?
We submitted our themes over the weekend. Just a few minutes ago, we got a package of CCP themes (sort of "we'll show your ours if you show us yours"), and we're going to be ranking them and giving CCP Seagull some feedback that will hopefully help her decide on her final candidates. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Flamespar
Woof Club
529
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:04:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote: I went with Exploration and a broader theme of focus on the individual and their ability to express themselves + affect the game. That included being able to build a home but goes beyond it to other things, like supporting bottom-up alliance income and a few other nice things CCP had on the menu.
Omg. I think I just experienced a flicker of hope I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2549
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Posted - 2013.01.28 19:28:00 -
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Update: 01/28/13 Variations on a Theme
On Friday, January 18th, we sent our sample themes to CCP Seagull. In return, on January 23rd, CSM got a package of the themes created by CCP teams, performed a quick analysis of them, and sent her our recommendations.
While I can't go into any specifics, I found the CCP themes to be very interesting reading, and they gave me more insight into how people at CCP are addressing the new planning system.
Today, Monday the 28th, we had a followup meeting with CCP Seagull. She gave us a broad overview of the overall theme that had been decided upon, which the CSM members present strongly endorsed. Over the next week, CCP will be determining what set of features best fits the theme and is practical given time and resource constraints.
CSM will receive a package of materials on Friday related to CCP's initial prioritization decisions and will provide our trademark :48hour: turnaround on them.
Based on what has happened so far, I am cautiously optimistic that the new planning process is going to do a good job of ensuring that CCP does a better job of delivering an expansion with good "bang-for-buck" when it comes to pleasing the community.
Original blog post link: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2013/01/variations-on-theme.html
I also updated the first post with this info. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Niveuss Nye
The Advent of Faith
11
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:19:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Update: 01/28/13 Variations on a ThemeOn Friday, January 18th, we sent our sample themes to CCP Seagull. In return, on January 23rd, CSM got a package of the themes created by CCP teams, performed a quick analysis of them, and sent her our recommendations. While I can't go into any specifics, I found the CCP themes to be very interesting reading, and they gave me more insight into how people at CCP are addressing the new planning system. Today, Monday the 28th, we had a followup meeting with CCP Seagull. She gave us a broad overview of the overall theme that had been decided upon, which the CSM members present strongly endorsed. Over the next week, CCP will be determining what set of features best fits the theme and is practical given time and resource constraints. CSM will receive a package of materials on Friday related to CCP's initial prioritization decisions and will provide our trademark :48hour: turnaround on them. Based on what has happened so far, I am cautiously optimistic that the new planning process is going to do a good job of ensuring that CCP does a better job of delivering an expansion with good "bang-for-buck" when it comes to pleasing the community. Original blog post link: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2013/01/variations-on-theme.htmlI also updated the first post with this info.
Hmm... not so much a fan of all this "secrecy".
BUT - I assume if the CSM heard something terrible, they would speak up?
All I have to say is, so far, so good. But, I will be honest. While the space ship game is awesome, I kind of got attracted to this game due to eventual avatar activities so I can live out a complete fantasy as a star ship industrialist who fights minnies. No mentions of that for quite some time.
Other than that, game seems pretty fun. I feel sorry for the POS managers, though. Stations that can be walked in, fully destructable, and not so much as a pain that I can gamble my ill gotten gains in like Hans Solo and Lando Calrissian sounded pretty cool. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1181
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:32:00 -
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Although I do understand the need for a degree of secrecy. Many of their plans thus far could yet turn out to be unachievable and so they don't want to get our hopes up about certain features etc. Some of them may even seem bad on the face of things, but with a little glamming up will be well received, etc.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2552
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:47:00 -
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CSM always pushes CCP to tell the community as much as possible, as soon as possible, and when they have locked down what they think they can deliver in the next expansion, we hope they'll release a devblog about it.
My opinion of the process is "so far, so good". What they are converging upon makes sense.
Or to put it another way, so far this has not happened. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1034
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:59:00 -
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^ Have you guys ever think about reverse NDA an issue though?
Kind of like how Two Step, opposed their stance on new POSs.
As in you don't tell the secrets about an issue CCP has come up with, but you still like the issue, and start pushing it or asking us for ideas and such, before the dev blog comes outs.
Well its not that bad, Karrde talked about exploration and such like that, which would be cool. But it seems some ideas could be shafted, and sucks having to wait for a Dev blog before it is known.
I don't want to give the impression that things are really bad, or so. But I am curious if Karrde would start releasing more exploration ideas, lets say before a dev blog came out on it. Not so much him discussing the CCP view or the secrets they invented. But if Karrde had more ideas, or lets say CCP wasn't taking it too seriously, if karrde would come back and start a thread on exploration, before CCP has stated a response. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2552
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:13:00 -
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Let me give you a totally hypothetical example of the problems that come up.
Let's assume there is a feature that we think the community wants but that CCP has decided isn't doable, or isn't a high priority. Our attempts to get that decision re-evaluated have failed.
Now, one option open to us would be to start a discussion on the forums about the feature and how important it is, in the hopes that public opinion might sway CCP. That might help in the short term, with that issue, but it also might damage the CCP/CSM relationship in the longer term.
The decision to go public on such a thing, even obliquely, is therefore a judgment call -- and it can be a very difficult one.
Now factor in that no matter what a CSM members says, people are going to make inferences about it. They're going to "Kremlin Watch". So now there are second-order effects. EVE is indeed "Unexpected Consequences Online" -- and no doubt people will read stuff into this post that isn't really there
The CSM has slowly, and through great effort by many people in each CSM, built up a working relationship with CCP that is unlike anything else in the games industry. CCP is putting a lot of trust in us, and it would be foolish to throw that away lightly.
As for front-running devblogs, stealing the thunder of the devs (who are the ones sweating in the trenches doing the hard work) would be just plain rude. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1031
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Posted - 2013.01.30 17:30:00 -
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Word from on high is there's no harm in telling you the broad theme has been picked and that it overlapped with several CSM submissions. The actually for-release feature set is still being discussed, but I think conceptually the next expansion will be something the community can really get excited about. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2422
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:37:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Word from on high is there's no harm in telling you the broad theme has been picked and that it overlapped with several CSM submissions. The actually for-release feature set is still being discussed, but I think conceptually the next expansion will be something the community can really get excited about.
Too bad they didn't pick your Pony theme. I told you it was a long shot. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
165
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:50:00 -
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Some day when it is legal, Alek will really tell us what his pink pony theme is all about. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2557
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:57:00 -
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DNSBLACK wrote:Some day when it is legal, Alek will really tell us what his pink pony theme is all about. If you are very, very lucky, it will be NDA'd until the end of time -- or possibly longer. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1034
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:30:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Word from on high is there's no harm in telling you the broad theme has been picked and that it overlapped with several CSM submissions. The actually for-release feature set is still being discussed, but I think conceptually the next expansion will be something the community can really get excited about. Too bad they didn't pick your Pony theme. I told you it was a long shot.
Break NDA now, Or give me Darius's phone number, I know he would risk getting banned to tell us about CCP snuffing ponies. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
1031
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:37:00 -
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I might get banned for this, but this is a sneak peak of EVE Online: Equestrian Age "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1034
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:39:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Let me give you a totally hypothetical example of the problems that come up. Let's assume there is a feature that we think the community wants but that CCP has decided isn't doable, or isn't a high priority. Our attempts to get that decision re-evaluated have failed. Now, one option open to us would be to start a discussion on the forums about the feature and how important it is, in the hopes that public opinion might sway CCP. That might help in the short term, with that issue, but it also might damage the CCP/CSM relationship in the longer term. The decision to go public on such a thing, even obliquely, is therefore a judgment call -- and it can be a very difficult one. Now factor in that no matter what a CSM members says, people are going to make inferences about it. They're going to "Kremlin Watch". So now there are second-order effects. EVE is indeed "Unexpected Consequences Online" -- and no doubt people will read stuff into this post that isn't really there The CSM has slowly, and through great effort by many people in each CSM, built up a working relationship with CCP that is unlike anything else in the games industry. CCP is putting a lot of trust in us, and it would be foolish to throw that away lightly. As for front-running devblogs, stealing the thunder of the devs (who are the ones sweating in the trenches doing the hard work) would be just plain rude.
Sounds, almost like you will be running again then, with that attitude.
I suppose I do like trolling CCP too much as well, but its sooooo fun. That or I get cocked teased too much, and hard to come down in a peaceful way.
Besides I suppose the game can be rather large, so hard to hope for what I want happening.
I didn't mean to steal thunder as well, why I meant reverse NDA, thought it would help with that. Also it does seem hard to steal their thunder, with them creating prototypes and hiding them in closets and under desks, where no one can find them.
I think I am too use to CCP fozzie's format, where he waits for CCP seagull or CCP soundwave to fall asleep, then finds little used forums, to post his balancing threads. Giving players lots of head room and time for feedback. Just felt with the new ideas for the upcoming expansion, CCP will just sit on them for such a long time, when they do release it, there will be no time for further changes or so. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Heavy Industries Sick N' Twisted
277
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Posted - 2013.01.31 08:07:00 -
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Dear CCP, please give Alekseyev a pony. Pretty please.
PS: Make it automatically be placed in any active ship he has so that there is always a chance it can be stol... I mean set free, to roam the stars. MODULAR DRONES
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BEPOHNKA
Legions Force
54
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:44:00 -
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Nice to see the theme name i point out while ago is in works no now werid! |
Prince Kobol
679
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:22:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Look at us, doing nothing.
Dont think it so much the entire CSM doing nothing.. just yourself :)
Your last blog update was what.. September, not exactly recent, also you haven't been what you might call prolific in your communications on the Eve O forums either. |
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