I think the real heart of the matter is not whether or not you get access, but if your input is taken seriously and acted on.

Do you get the sense that your input is being acted on, or that you are just throwing ideas into a pit ?

Based on CCP going full Rambo with the development concepts we supported in our Strategy Document?

Feeling pretty good.

CCP isn't obligated to take our advice of course, but i dont feel like I'm talking to a hole in the wall.

Are you guys actually looking for feedback to present to them, or just going with your own ideas?

Look at us, doing nothing.

A Goldrush theme is what I am thinking of right now.

It could give you a nice place to put in ring mining (we found out how to mine new minerals, come exploit those riches in 0.0), poses (building shanty towns and communities in deep 0.0 that are either in sov or npc 0.0, or just base your pirating corp out of these poses in lowsec/highsec), as well as giving a way to introduce smaller gang objective based pvp into the mix(this small gang of pirates living in our undefended space are trying to kill our miners and are stealing our moon goo/pi resources!).

This also leaves the possibilities wide open for exploration. Imagine the feeling of exploring a new resource system or new space. Not quite sure what will pop up on scan and not quite sure how to tackle new pve content.

It would tie in with bounty hunting, wars and crime watch as well by fleshing out the bounty hunter profession a little bit. It would also help Eve retain that lawless wild west feel that makes it such an awesome game. Kill or be killed, and all that jazz.

Ship balancing would also tie in nicely because Battle-cruisers, Battleships and Black ops are in the works, so they could be the strong arm of the law that is needed to repel attacks against small gangs of invaders. With pirate frigates and faction frigates not that far off there could be some cool new ways to attain them as well as ample cannon for RP'ers.

Though the debate is also open, it would give the option to create new regions on the map with special attributes(it was talked about somewhere in the minutes).

Entice new players with the dreams of striking it rich on the untapped resources of lawless space. Who would not start a new account or re-sub to try and experience that?

Hell, even dueling would work great with this expansion theme. 1v1 at SUNrise anyone?

I said it in the POS theadnaught but: "Build your Empire"

I like where this guy's head is at ^

I second "Build your Empire" +1

Based on CCP going full Rambo with the development concepts we supported in our Strategy Document?

Feeling pretty good.

CCP isn't obligated to take our advice of course, but i dont feel like I'm talking to a hole in the wall.

I like where this guy's head is at ^

I second "Build your Empire" +1

Call the motion!

It has been moved and seconded that we the players call for theme of the next EvE Online expansion to be based around the principals encapsulated by the statement "Build your Empire". Are you, the players, ready to vote on the question?

-SNOWFLAKES AMONG THE STARS-
-The players have been calling for ship painting for yonks now! Let us have color options, even if they're NEX based. Give us options, regardless if it's just out of pre-existing schemes. 500 aur for a color mutation, don't break out wallets in the name of coloration.

I said it in the POS theadnaught but: "Build your Empire"

Small ideas

• global hotkey for dscan's scan button
• global hotkey for the 'bookmark current location' dialog
• a button to auto arrange scanning probes evenly around their current average location
• enable auto-repeat for probe launcher modules (i.e. continue dropping probes until deactivated)

Bigger ideas:

• continuing ship balances
• Incremental POS improvements (background code refactoring to facilitate easier improvements later. Modular POSes are the dream, but if they're as hard as the CSM notes indicate, it probably makes sense to work on current POSes cause they're going to be around a LONG time.)
• Hidden Incursion sites that require scanning to find.
• Graphics changes aimed at improving the "omg it's huge" feeling and apparent relative size of ships, other objects and travel (dynamic linked zoom/FOV? depth of field? fast mega-warp animation when using gates/bridges?)
• Improve balance/dynamics of existing DED Complex content (concord LP? more randomized ship spawns?)
• Other stuff I haven't thought of

I like all of this except for the dscan button. Then people would just set their keyboard to auto press that button every half second, which would give free intel to the lazy. I would much rather prefer a hotkey for switching to the different angles, a hotkey for 360 degrees, a hotkey for 180, 15, and 5 degrees would make me really happy.

When you change the degrees, it does a scan ... just an FYI.

Ok, I will re-post one possible solution here, I hope that there is a team following up things here. (Also I hope that they already got to this conclusion)


Eve have many problems now.. one of them is POS and the Item management in there. This is also attached to the corporation management issues. As you guys noticed when fixed the orca and the carriers Cargohold division, It is impossible to fix the current System so the solution lays on taking the feature out of the corporation management and then fix them out of it, creating a solid and simpler system.

For the rest of the corporation Inventory (Including the POS inventory) you have to do the same thing, Take the access management and remove it from the corp management( Soon it will make sense), HOW:

First: Remove the corporation tab divisions making it a single inventory that have access from everyone.(changing 1 problem to other)

Second: You have to create a new Item, "Secure Hangar", It should be like a container, that once unpacked will work like a Tab, having the same volume as the content. (At this point if you want split things, put a password to open it.)

Third: Create a new UI to manage the access of containers, in this UI should have options like "allow corp", "Allow corp - Director", "Allow corp - miner", and other options like adding a player name, corp name or alliance name. Also, It would be interesting if was possible to change ownership of the container.

Fourth: this same UI solution may be applied to the pos management. Setting to it a Owner, (the ceo orr other player) that can allow individual "tab acces" like the hangar access. solving also one of the biggest player nightmare.


This is the most simplistic way to escape from the old game code. I hope it helps, and if this don't help, please tell me why, i'm curious.

everyone, please stop talking about POSes.

please get an amarda of devs to work on this feature:
http://i.imgur.com/O9VZr.jpg

Think of all the possibilies if CCP manages to take information out of the Map we have now, and into this overlay thingy

everyone, please stop talking about POSes.

please get an amarda of devs to work on this feature:
http://i.imgur.com/O9VZr.jpg

Think of all the possibilies if CCP manages to take information out of the Map we have now, and into this overlay thingy

No offense guys, but you are in no way reppresentative of EvE playerbase and their needs or feeling, in some rare case you can be good as voice for some specific minority lobby, but that's all. You spent the last 2 year to justify with your silly documents CCP lack of strategic vision and inertia toward EvE, as well as to hallow any CCP policy to limit their effort on EvE to simple editing few MySql table for rebalancing stuff.

You're CCP lapdogs, used when needed to justify some devlopment plan usefull for the company but not for us.

Do not get me wrong, this is not personal, I have respect as players for many of you (hans an other in the first place) I mean this is just the role CCP tailored for you:

You're there not to bring players needs to CCP (CCP has already all the tools to know this) but to advertise company policy amongst the players. You are the lube for the sodomy.

What theme do you think would represent more of the player base?

The thing with EVE is there are so many ways to approach the game and everyone thinks their way is the one way. The only two things that have interested me in the last few years that I wanted to really see done would be a new starbase system and avatar based exploration.

I wanted a cooking simulation in EvE, do some pizzas, i also wanted some type of avatar based janitor simulator.

eir way is the one way. The only two things that have interested me in the last few years that I wanted to really see done would be a new starbase system and avatar based exploration.

Need Avatar exploration , prototype ? being able to walk in structures ( sleepers Ones ) really need to see inside of them.
Need To Go inside kruul's pleasur Hub and take a dirty look to the damsel in distress!!

Need To dock in any explorable structures in eve AND why not later be able to dock in a planet a play dust from My PC .....

How about instead of ruining EvE Online for the rest of us, ask CCP do develop a brand new game for you guys, like the dust 514 FPS, but with sims/carebear/janitor in space features.

How about instead of ruining EvE Online for the rest of us, ask CCP do develop a brand new game for you guys, like the dust 514 FPS, but with sims/carebear/janitor in space features.

You could then not only walk in station, but you could also clean the entire station, the possibilities are infinite, the sky is the limite for the new game.

That option was brought up with the CSM.

EDIT: On second thought, maybe the better option would be for CCP to make a simplified spaceship shooter and let EVE evolve into the full fledged sci-fi sim that they've been talking about for years.

Theme: Horizon

What makes EvE Online memorable is the ruthless pvp centric sandbox. The fact that EvE is set in space is complety irrelevent for me, i couldn't care less about stupid spaceships, i don't even like sci-fi stuff, the game could be set in ponyland for all i care.

Ultimalty, what matters the most is the integrity of the sandbox.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&find=unread

^^ This is what I want.




Team Avatar's vision of the future with exploration and avatars includes a great many PvP situations. Have a read of the thread, I personally welcome the time I can see someone else dock at a ruin and then dock up with them, kill them, and take their rewards (and maybe even their ship).

If all Eve is to you is a PvP sandbox, then you wont object to a non-spaceship PvP system being added in.

No i don't think so because like i said I am not a Fu.king ship i am a pilot and pilot get out of their ships sometimes ....
like in starwars , Battlestar gallactica, like in star trek FIS followed by exploration On your feet.

So it's a natural Way to expand the game time In the SHIP and time Outside on my feet ( maybe with my crew)

And you are not obliged to get out of your ship .....if you want Mr limited brain

EVE Online: Renaissance

The themes of "Gold Rush" and "Horizon" would surely be the most straight forward ones to implement in the EVE sandbox. However, since Apocrypha already has delivered such a theme, I would find that a missed opportunity to create something unique. Let's not just add more sand and better shovels to the sandbox. Let's add a stream of running water, even if it tears down some castles.

There are many possible narratives that could be used as templates.

Personally I love the dark and gritty feel of EVE. I always have wondered why there are no large scale catastrophes in this world? What could be more exciting than to witness the fall of old empires?

Let it start slowly ... maybe our tinkering with technology finally will bite us in the backside? Mabye the newly discovered genetic modification methods are the first step in the abyss. Give people a reason to scramble from diseased stations. My modular POS shanty towns are refugee camps. New Eden is a dark place. The empires rotten at their hearts, fat purse capitalists getting richer and richer at the expense of the hard working laborer while the various nullsec dutchies, despite what they like to believe, are mere colonies, sucking at the **** of Jita, Rens and Amarr. Time for a rush for gold ? Or a time for those who prevail in the ensuing chaos?

Fly reckless! Chira.

PS: Just thinking outside the box.

The fact that EvE is set in space is complety irrelevent for me, i couldn't care less about stupid spaceships.

If all Eve is to you is a PvP sandbox, then you wont object to a non-spaceship PvP system being added in.

They should follow the dusk 315 path, and just create a new game for this stuff.

Open the fringes of Jove space. The abandoned border.

New systems, walking in derelicts to harvest implant tech as well as maybe new rigs, (both could provide dual bonuses like +3%/+3% rather than +6%.) We really want WiS and this would allow iteration over the next couple of years.
There could be new tech and modules developed from innovations discovered from recovered tech.
Throw in some new mining techniques, as the Jove may have found a way to maximise the yield of moon minerals using ring mining techniques.
Jovian bases may be modular, allowing for the development of modular POSs.

Hell, even a new epic arc or COSMOS line offered by SoE or The Society around the possible Jove extinction...

We may even find a new design for ships, ones on a similar technology level as the pirate ships. They could be able to combine two races technology to create a new hybrid vessel.

Jove space has so much potential. Anything could be possible.

I loved Templar One. But it made me hunger even more for WiS content.

You know, going by some of the most active threads on the forum. I think to the two main themes that have arisen are.

Giving players a home in space - modular POS revamp
Exploration - avatar exploration of sleeper structures, ring mining, new resources

What do you think CSM?

I hear you say "Why?" Always "Why?" You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?"

Yes, this.

And I'd add: remove NEX store and AUR from the game, and move all the related items in the normal EVE production/loot mechanics.

I agree with someone else that posted in the POS thread that EvE: Empire! would be a good theme. It would encompass both the actual Empires (FW, wardecs), null SOV, and personal empires (POS). It would be about having the tools to carve out your own empire in the vastness of space. That empire can be both in terms of land and influence (actual sov mechanics, industry, market).

In EvE Online, you control all ships inside a Hydrostatic Capsule, filled with ectoplasmic liquid. That why we are called Capsuleers.

In EvE Online, you are not a pilot like on the trash B-Movies/Series you just mentioned, you don't walk inside ships, you don't have a crews, etc, etc

Now if you want to be "Mr limited brain", you can roleplay that you are swimming inside the pod goo, it's not walking but it's the next best thing.

You know, going by some of the most active threads on the forum. I think to the two main themes that have arisen are.

Giving players a home in space - modular POS revamp
Exploration - avatar exploration of sleeper structures, ring mining, new resources

What do you think CSM?

I went with Exploration and a broader theme of focus on the individual and their ability to express themselves + affect the game. That included being able to build a home but goes beyond it to other things, like supporting bottom-up alliance income and a few other nice things CCP had on the menu.

...
We received a further task: to create our own themes, in order to help CCP Seagull understand what kind of themes the Community might like. While we obviously don't have the same information as CCP teams do (such as the complexity of some of the features and their interactions), she feels that this will be useful in helping evaluate CCP's theme proposals. We will be delivering these themes on Monday, 1/21.

...
Once all the themes are received, CSM will be provided with copies of all of them. By the end of the week, CCP Seagull will have created a shortlist of candidate themes, and CSM will be told which they are. We currently are scheduled to discuss the shortlist with her on Monday, 1/28.
...

I'd be curious to know what came out of this?

I'd be curious to know what came out of this?
Or will you tell us only after next monday?

I went with Exploration and a broader theme of focus on the individual and their ability to express themselves + affect the game. That included being able to build a home but goes beyond it to other things, like supporting bottom-up alliance income and a few other nice things CCP had on the menu.

Update: 01/28/13 Variations on a Theme

On Friday, January 18th, we sent our sample themes to CCP Seagull. In return, on January 23rd, CSM got a package of the themes created by CCP teams, performed a quick analysis of them, and sent her our recommendations.

While I can't go into any specifics, I found the CCP themes to be very interesting reading, and they gave me more insight into how people at CCP are addressing the new planning system.

Today, Monday the 28th, we had a followup meeting with CCP Seagull. She gave us a broad overview of the overall theme that had been decided upon, which the CSM members present strongly endorsed. Over the next week, CCP will be determining what set of features best fits the theme and is practical given time and resource constraints.

CSM will receive a package of materials on Friday related to CCP's initial prioritization decisions and will provide our trademark :48hour: turnaround on them.

Based on what has happened so far, I am cautiously optimistic that the new planning process is going to do a good job of ensuring that CCP does a better job of delivering an expansion with good "bang-for-buck" when it comes to pleasing the community.

Original blog post link: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2013/01/variations-on-theme.html

I also updated the first post with this info.

Word from on high is there's no harm in telling you the broad theme has been picked and that it overlapped with several CSM submissions. The actually for-release feature set is still being discussed, but I think conceptually the next expansion will be something the community can really get excited about.

Some day when it is legal, Alek will really tell us what his pink pony theme is all about.

Too bad they didn't pick your Pony theme. I told you it was a long shot.

Let me give you a totally hypothetical example of the problems that come up.

Let's assume there is a feature that we think the community wants but that CCP has decided isn't doable, or isn't a high priority. Our attempts to get that decision re-evaluated have failed.

Now, one option open to us would be to start a discussion on the forums about the feature and how important it is, in the hopes that public opinion might sway CCP. That might help in the short term, with that issue, but it also might damage the CCP/CSM relationship in the longer term.

The decision to go public on such a thing, even obliquely, is therefore a judgment call -- and it can be a very difficult one.

Now factor in that no matter what a CSM members says, people are going to make inferences about it. They're going to "Kremlin Watch". So now there are second-order effects. EVE is indeed "Unexpected Consequences Online" -- and no doubt people will read stuff into this post that isn't really there

The CSM has slowly, and through great effort by many people in each CSM, built up a working relationship with CCP that is unlike anything else in the games industry. CCP is putting a lot of trust in us, and it would be foolish to throw that away lightly.

As for front-running devblogs, stealing the thunder of the devs (who are the ones sweating in the trenches doing the hard work) would be just plain rude.

Look at us, doing nothing.