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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Caroline 888 on 29/06/2005 11:49:45
I set up a real killer close range (blaster) set up on my Deimos and wish to use drones to deter Inties from tackling me - atm i can only control 8 at a time
Is 8 light drones enough to effectively make an inty turn tail and run ??
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.06.29 11:51:00 -
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well, if its medium and inty is crow or something that orbots you at 17km with 20km scrambler and MWD, then you in trouble..
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.06.29 11:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Bad'Boy
well, if its medium and inty is crow or something that orbots you at 17km with 20km scrambler and MWD, then you in trouble..
not really, u just tank him (as he will use kin and u got base 85% kin resist) while mwding to a gate/station. If he tries to web u, web him back and cook him with ya blasters.
Light drones are atrocious. Even 15 rom an ishtar/domi is easily tankable by a ceptor. Mediums are the only way to go
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Cycerin Strikebeam
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Posted - 2005.06.29 11:58:00 -
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8 mediums do less than 40 dps, and he will probably outrun them.
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:04:00 -
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I Just want to not be so vulnerable to inty tackles - as we all know once locked down the inty can call for backup and pow ! your dead
or in this case im dead - may just have to hold some long range charges ?
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:12:00 -
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**** man, everywhere I turn these days I see ppl asking how to blow up inties in big/expensive ships...
Just fit the 'I win' module.
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:13:00 -
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No - not interested in blowing them up - (this time) just erm....
scaring them away - lol
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 29/06/2005 12:19:44
Originally by: Caroline 888
I set up a real killer close range (blaster) set up on my Deimos and wish to use drones to deter Inties from tackling me - atm i can only control 8 at a time
Is 8 light drones enough to effectively make an inty turn tail and run ??
Unfortunately no. Light drones do ridiculously low damage, 8 (or even 15) of them will not save you. Light drones need a bit of a boos
You could always fit a multispectral jammer in one of the mids. Interceptor sensor strengths aren't that hot, you should be able to jam them a large percentage of the time. The bonus with this is that it also works against other ship types.
If they come within 10km (or even 12km) you have more options, but against someone orbiting at 15km at 4km/sec you don't have all that much in a Deimos. You could of course fit small rails, but then you'd be throwing away the Deimos damage bonus, might as well use a Thorax.
...so I'd suggest some form of EW. Sensor damps would be nice, but you'd really need two of them to work against all interceptors, and you don't have the mids for that. Try a multispectral (named or t2).
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:29:00 -
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Light drones are just an anti-FOF measure.
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Caroline 888 on 29/06/2005 12:43:54
hmm its annoying that this cant be done with drones as all my mids and lows are really tied up...
guess you cant have everything...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
Light drones are just an anti-FOF measure.
yes.. but a swarm of warriors can scare a inty away.
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Caroline 888 on 29/06/2005 12:58:27
Ta grim I may just have to use the scare factor...
And hope that the inty pilot has not read this post - lol
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:01:00 -
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Well if the inty is set up for close range and you have a webber then u will have no problem hitting him with medium ions. I normally carry a small amount of iron ammo in my hold which just about allows u to reach 15km right at the end of the falloff so u might get a lucky shot with em. A nos can help but again theres the range limit.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Tar om
Light drones are just an anti-FOF measure.
yes.. but a swarm of warriors can scare a inty away.
This is actually something I've been wondering and will have to test one of these days. With good drone skills (drone interfacing & heavy drones at least 4), how many drones and what type are needed to force a typical non-tanking inty to disengage?
If anyone has tested this, please share.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gary Goat
Well if the inty is set up for close range and you have a webber then u will have no problem hitting him with medium ions. I normally carry a small amount of iron ammo in my hold which just about allows u to reach 15km right at the end of the falloff so u might get a lucky shot with em. A nos can help but again theres the range limit.
Yeah, if they come within 12km you nosfe then (med t2 nosfe), within 10km they also get webbed. After that they start having serious problems, typical inty setups are very tightly balanced on cap, a med nosfe can seriously mess them up.
The problems start when they orbit at 13km+ and use a 20km scrambler on you (typical for Crow, Crusader, Malediction setups, and some others too).
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:32:00 -
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Taking into account that the inty setups for 20k takling are so tight are we sure that 8 light drones just may force the inty pilot to disengage ?
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Caroline 888
Taking into account that the inty setups for 20k takling are so tight are we sure that 8 light drones just may force the inty pilot to disengage ?
Well, they're almost always tight (or "balanced" more accurately) on cap, so hitting that with a nosfe hurts them a lot. The trouble with light drones is that they do crappy damage, and while they will probably force a disengage *at some point*, they can probably tank things for quite a while. But as I said earlier, I'm not sure about how many light drones would be "enough", it could be that 8 lights would do the trick with good drone skills. Or not.
Light drone damage is pathetic, but then again so is interceptor shield & armor.
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:41:00 -
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cepter setups that operate in a 13-19km orbit with MWD and use a 20km scram will be tight on cap and tanking ability, i think if your light drones can catch up to the cepter and do some dmg, the cepter will have to leave eventuly.
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:48:00 -
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Fit a target painter. They're more flexible against different sized targets.
I'm not sure that target painting will help your drones dps any. Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:53:00 -
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whats range on med cap neutrolizer II?
MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM
MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky
siim > that was so desperate attempt
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 29/06/2005 14:08:48
Originally by: Bad'Boy
whats range on med cap neutrolizer II?
12,5km, almost the same as t2 nosfe. So no help there. Hmph.
Maxine: target painter is a good idea in general, but a bit useless with blasters. With the current painter + mwd bug in place it will probably help your drones *right now*, but as soon as that's fixed I doubt it will have any effect - light drone gun resolution is already very good. And the bug has already been fixed on the test server.
If you can spare a medslot, I still say a multispectral ECM would be the way to go, especially since you can use that against anything, even NPCs. And/or work on your drone interfacing and hope 9-10 light drones are enough. They might well be, partially for psychological reasons -- seeing a huge swarm of drones coming your way at 3-4km/sec is enough to make many inty pilots run first, think second :).
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DaikenOfDoom
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:14:00 -
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Lol...people talking about how to get rid of 1 indi orbiting you @15km in your deimos...is like... you saw family guy when peter tried to chase down that fly with a shotgun?
Who the hell cares.. just leave him there...
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: DaikenOfDoom
Lol...people talking about how to get rid of 1 indi orbiting you @15km in your deimos...is like... you saw family guy when peter tried to chase down that fly with a shotgun?
Who the hell cares.. just leave him there...
dude, if inty is scrambling you then help is on the way, even if there no help, you want to hang at belt or something 4ever?
MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM
MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky
siim > that was so desperate attempt
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
dude, if inty is scrambling you then help is on the way, even if there no help, you want to hang at belt or something 4ever?
What the man said. That one inty isn't a problem. His 10 buddies warping towards you while you're sitting there scrambled are.
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Caroline 888
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:32:00 -
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EXACTLY !!!
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:35:00 -
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maybe tech II drones gonna help, or if tech II ammo gonna have falloff range bonus(like iron for optimal, but falloff instead)
MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM
MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky
siim > that was so desperate attempt
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:24:00 -
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ok, first of all, what ya all talking about with target painters and 1 ecm mod in med... thats crazy talk.
The ship in question has 3 medium slots... u fit a web, a dis and a MWD... its standard and needed.
d solo.
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:25:00 -
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how about taking a m8 in a dessy with you, or AF or summit.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
ok, first of all, what ya all talking about with target painters and 1 ecm mod in med... thats crazy talk.
The ship in question has 3 medium slots... u fit a web, a dis and a MWD... its standard and needed.
d solo.
True enough... you could get away with not fitting a web if you're going against big targets - but in that case you've even more vulnerable to inties. Leaving out a scrambler is possible, but in that case you need a tackler with you... in which case that tackler can also provide anti-inty support. Ok, scratch the medslot idea.
Looks like the options are either
a) use light drones and hope they are enough (train drone skills as much as you can in this case)
b) take a buddy along
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bad''Boy on 29/06/2005 15:37:20
you can always fit pulse lasers on deimos
MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM
MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky
siim > that was so desperate attempt
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