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Nico elScorpio
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:19:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.
Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?
I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?
EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person.
It's not running away it's understanding some elementary basics:
1. "good" and "bad" doesn't exists. those are personal opinions, therefore more or less illusions. whats bad for you is good for someone else and the other way round
2. people always tried to make things "better". in other words to turn them into something they find more attractive. but maybe its losing attraction for somebody else then. who shall be attracted me? you? why?
3. A lot of valuable feedback is raining down on CCP every day, why not trust them to just take the things into account they want to use for their vision of the game and reject others they don't? They made this man? they know most about it and they have the bigger picture most single players cannot have!
4. "running away" in this case is just looking for something else that fits your persona more, your needs and requirements. The world is rich mate, why trying to change stuff instead of exploring it and trying too find somehting that suits you way better?
see its not about accepting everything, its about how you communicate. is it complaining and whining and somelike like "its bad, its getting worse, that has to improve..." or is it just constructive like "this and that could improve a situtation that in my opinion could be more pleasurable for more people than only me.."
.. and mate, in the end everything is a matter of attitude, things shine when you see em shine 
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
419
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:26:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like. Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like.
Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Red Maiden
PCG Enterprises
43
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:28:00 -
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Pretty easy thread to summarize:
CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.
OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.
Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before? |

Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:29:00 -
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Red Maiden wrote:Pretty easy thread to summarize:
CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.
OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.
Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before?
But don't you see? This one "gets" it. |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:40:00 -
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Nico elScorpio wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.
Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?
I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?
EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person. It's not running away it's understanding some elementary basics: 1. "good" and "bad" doesn't exists. those are personal opinions, therefore more or less illusions. whats bad for you is good for someone else and the other way round 2. people always tried to make things "better". in other words to turn them into something they find more attractive. but maybe its losing attraction for somebody else then. who shall be attracted more? you? why? 3. A lot of valuable feedback is raining down on CCP every day, why not trust them to just take the things into account they want to use for their vision of the game and reject others they don't? They made this thing man! they know most about it and they have the bigger picture most single players cannot have! 4. "running away" in this case is just looking for something else that fits your persona more, your needs and requirements. The world is rich mate, why trying to change stuff instead of exploring it and trying too find somehting that suits you way better? see its not about accepting everything, its about how you communicate. is it complaining and whining and somelike like "its bad, its getting worse, that has to improve..." or is it just constructive like "this and that could improve a situtation that in my opinion could be more pleasurable for more people than only me.." .. and mate, in the end everything is a matter of attitude, things shine when you see em shine 
CCP ignores feedback. That's the whole point of this thread.
I am not capable of running away from problems. If something needs to be fixed, I do the best I can to fix it.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:41:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like. Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like. Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.
I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part?
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:42:00 -
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Red Maiden wrote:Pretty easy thread to summarize:
CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.
OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.
Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before?
Not planning to quit in your lifetime. :)
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
419
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:43:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like. Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like. Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold. I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part? Did you miss my point? You're here, you're still playing the game. CCP has no incentive to change things to suit you. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:52:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like. Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like. Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold. I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part? Did you miss my point? You're here, you're still playing the game. CCP has no incentive to change things to suit you.
So I should quit the game rather than trying to get some support to make them change it? I think I read about that once in 'Tactics Of Failure'.
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Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.01.20 05:00:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU?
Of course they are, why do you think they're disagreeing with you? Hmm... Perplexing... |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 05:02:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU? Of course they are, why do you think they're disagreeing with you? Hmm... Perplexing...
O.o Were you born on a planet near Earth?
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Schmeev Watatatata
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.20 05:11:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: EDIT: I've already shut down three of my accounts. CCP didn't care about that either. Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU?
It's like you filter out literally every valid point people make, you're an incredibly fascinating being to study.
There are people in this world who are different than you and like different things. Where you see an improvement, they see a detriment. The important thing for CCP to weigh is how many people will a change in YOUR favor affect in a negative way? You don't see that, though. You just keep saying "I want these changes for me and that's all that matters, no one else's opinion counts." |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
67
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:23:00 -
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Schmeev Watatatata wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: EDIT: I've already shut down three of my accounts. CCP didn't care about that either. Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU?
It's like you filter out literally every valid point people make, you're an incredibly fascinating being to study. There are people in this world who are different than you and like different things. Where you see an improvement, they see a detriment. The important thing for CCP to weigh is how many people will a change in YOUR favor affect in a negative way? You don't see that, though. You just keep saying "I want these changes for me and that's all that matters, no one else's opinion counts."
Hehe. I haven't asked for specific changes. I've only asked if if other people see a need for a change.
Do you feel like a fool now? I don't.
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Schmeev Watatatata
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:39:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: Hehe. I haven't asked for specific changes. I've only asked if if other people see a need for a change.
Do you feel like a fool now? I don't.
"CCP ignores feedback. That's the whole point of this thread.
I am not capable of running away from problems. If something needs to be fixed, I do the best I can to fix it."
So what's the basis on that statement if you've asked for no changes? Please, help us help you, or you will continue to flail about here going on about how nothing's changing when you ask for nothing. People asked for what you want changed and you mentioned hi-sec ganking. Good job, there's one, and people told you their opinions, you called them wrong because you have no idea how anything works, and then went on this same thing of "stop having different opinions than me, guys."
So no, I feel like you should either get to requesting specific changes or deal with the game we have now, because for a guy that can't leave problems lying around, you're making absolutely no progress in addressing them. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3237
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:54:00 -
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Schmeev Watatatata wrote: People asked for what you want changed and you mentioned hi-sec ganking. Good job, there's one, and people told you their opinions, you called them wrong because you have no idea how anything works, and then went on this same thing of "stop having different opinions than me, guys."
So no, I feel like you should either get to requesting specific changes or deal with the game we have now, because for a guy that can't leave problems lying around, you're making absolutely no progress in addressing them. Haha, another pubbie posting. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
68
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:03:00 -
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Schmeev Watatatata wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: Hehe. I haven't asked for specific changes. I've only asked if if other people see a need for a change.
Do you feel like a fool now? I don't.
"CCP ignores feedback. That's the whole point of this thread. I am not capable of running away from problems. If something needs to be fixed, I do the best I can to fix it." So what's the basis on that statement if you've asked for no changes? Please, help us help you, or you will continue to flail about here going on about how nothing's changing when you ask for nothing. People asked for what you want changed and you mentioned hi-sec ganking. Good job, there's one, and people told you their opinions, you called them wrong because you have no idea how anything works, and then went on this same thing of "stop having different opinions than me, guys." So no, I feel like you should either get to requesting specific changes or deal with the game we have now, because for a guy that can't leave problems lying around, you're making absolutely no progress in addressing them.
Irrelevant. |

Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
252
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:42:00 -
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I heard it's all about trust.
Loser. Give drones some love: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2176396&#post2176396 |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
707
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Posted - 2013.01.20 10:10:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in. Try looking for the posts that agree with me. There aren't many, but are we the crazy ones? I wouldn't keep posting if I thought we were.
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People, save yourself some time. If you don't like the thread, ignore it.
(1) "Only post if you agree with me." (2) "CCP, look how everyone agrees with me" (3) ??? (4) Profit I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
1716
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:10:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: I don't agree that more shiney upgrades are going to save the game, though. It appears to me, and maybe me only, that when CCP reaches their goal, whatever that is, we're all going to be neck deep in faeces in an uninhabitable universe. Then the games of 'Russin Sleigh Ride' will start, excpet that people will be volunteering to be thrown to the wolves.
I don't get this, you say that you don't know what CCP's goal is, but somehow you know that it is "wrong".
Could you expand on your rather vague comments on what is actually wrong in your opinion in current EVE, and what kind of changes you suggest to make it better?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:19:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Tippia wrote:Doc Fury wrote:I've got a 'metric' I'd like to see CCP reveal that does not suffer from any inaccuracies or abstract difficulty whatsoever, and that's the number of accounts that are presently active, minus trial accounts. You mean the metric they do reveal with some consistency? Not Politically Correct wrote:I didn't mean the number of individual players. I meant the number of paid accounts. All they have to do is count money once a month to figure that out. Ooops. Forgot about PLEXes. PLEXes make no difference in that count (and counting the money would be inaccurate anyway since there is no single fix cost for an account). Mrk Paradox wrote:They identify a connection, which the server can record. That, unlike ips, are not dynamic. GǪbut which doesn't tell you anything since, again, it's not unique or tied to a single person in any way. If you're saying that you want the client to start mapping its close-by network, I'm sure there is a nice collection of privacy laws that would classify EVE as illegal spyware at that pointGǪ Ok. Let me put it this way. Is there any way for US to find out how many active, non-trial, accounts there actually are?
Why do you need to know? Do you want to see how small in the world you are?
CCP says 450K active accounts, if they lie their investors get pissed off, theres laws about misleading investors you know. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.01.20 12:43:00 -
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