Links will correct themselves soon enough. Just a playful poke. Karl in particular has taken to me the same way the croc took to Cpt. Hook.

So this conversation is steering away from "PVP" and into "pay 2 win". links vs non-links is abouta s close to ganking as you can get outside a blob.

Are you trying to convince people to come fight or leave and not bother?

The Shield Omen should have ~18-19K EHP, which puts it on par with the Thorax. That should give it roughly the same TTL as the Thorax (~77 sec?). However, it does considerably more damage at range while it has capacitor. Even still, I'd be honestly surprised if it had enough cap to actually kill the Rupture.

-Liang

New cyclone will be pretty awesome. Single xlasb ham kiting fits are pretty much like faster podla drakes of old, with dual medium neuts more speed and agility with more ehp once the booster has run through and more cap! Even a buffer fit is reasonable well off.

Harbi gets buffed and if you know how to use it it already is one of the best bcs out there (600dps to 30km, 45k ehp, faster then a podla drake (2k with lg snaes/links) + medium neut+ more drones). Its on paper dps may not reach cane + hail lvl but due to its projection it is simply awesome (its like a kiting omen with twice the ehp and 50% more dps)!

Stabber sucks at actual pvp but its awesome at what its supposed to be, a training vessal for the cyna/vaga and it does this perfectly.


Yes minmatar ships get/got nerfed, but who cares. Angel ships still rule, they have the best cs, very good dessies, the arty wolf/thrasher. The best dictor and pretty cool bs! The new cyclone will be boss.

Sigh.. lets do this one at a time (Ignoring all the badposts you made after this one because i really cannot be arsed)


Since you seem to enjoy comparing numbers i pretty much agree that a plated omen can beat a kiting rupture (tbh i don't think the kiting rupture is a really good fit anymore) But a plated omen loses to any other armor ship. (And don't try to say you will kite them, any competent cruiser pilot will catch/escape from a omen going 20% faster than they are) And if they get on top of you you're dead because the omen cannot apply dps to other cruisers at close range without a web, it just doesn't.

Also "Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400" "cap stable" EFT is lying to you, you're not cap stable, not even close.


But i'm guess what you want is a minmatar cruiser fit that will beat your omen? A kiting one? alright

[Rupture, New Setup 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


Stats are irrelevant, your range with scorch is 12, you die.


What about the stabber (which truly is bad)

[Stabber, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Seriously the stats on this thing are TERRIBLE, it will still **** your omen

It will be even worse with an armor dual prop rupture (Or even stabber) both will catch you if the pilot is competent..

And both will violate the omen as you will be doing absolutely zip damage.

Omen looks good on paper, The Rupture IS good.

Yeah, you are missing the part where the cyclone has two less missile launchers than the "old podla drakes".
Its DPS is going to be barely higher than a caracal. I will miss my cyclones with guns on them. If I wanted to use missiles as a primary weapon I'd fly caldari.

The new cyclone won't be what you expect it to be, minmatar might have "cool" BS but that doesn't make them good. The CS are going to also be balanced soon, so don't expect them to be the best anymore.

Yes harb is going to be a beast (its already great), I think I heard a few people say they are "destroying the harb", rofl noobs.

It gets more drone bays tho and damage selction, it does exactly as much dps as a current drake with a buffer fit

[NEW Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x5


, having 10k ehp less then a podla drake, while beeing faster, more agile and having dual medium neuts. or it does 40dps less then the current podla drake but has way more hp (xlasb fit)

[NEW Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x5

(around 66k ehp in total after the asb cyled through)

Frankly Minmatar has been too good for a few years, so in the normal way of things the nerfbat of doom will smack them into oblivion for a few years.

The upside is that it looks like armour tanking + speed is going to be viable again - especially if the rig changes happen.

Also the one thing about minnie is that you probably have a broad spectrum of skills anyway so cross-training isn't as painful as it could be.

tl;dr its not the end of the world

What are you using to get these setups?

eft

About two hours ahead of you :P Install over EFT 2.17.1. You guys know the drill.

[url]http://www.bittervet.com/eve/eftfiles/RetriBCs_08jan2013_Append.zip[/url]
[url]http://www.bittervet.com/eve/eftfiles/RetriBCs_08jan2013_Replace.zip[/url]

I think the cruiser rebalancing was for the most part really well done and has made the field a lot more level for everyone . The cane nerf/rebalance will hurt me quite a bit as its one of my favorite ships but I can understand why they are doing it.



Been playing with the new EFT builds . Is it my imagination or is the prophecy possibly good now ? My crappy eft fu results for the neut flavor gives you over 100k ehp / 300dps / +- 80% resists and damage variant seems more or less over 65k ehp / 600+dps / +- 80% resists ?

Apart from being slow as a brick I'd say the proph is looking to be quite good (too good) in many situations, both pve as pvp although drone boats are still limited in pvp ofcourse.

Apart from being slow as a brick I'd say the proph is looking to be quite good (too good) in many situations, both pve as pvp although drone boats are still limited in pvp ofcourse.

Apart from being slow as a brick I'd say the proph is looking to be quite good (too good) in many situations, both pve as pvp although drone boats are still limited in pvp ofcourse.

Drones are also limited in PVE from what I understand (aggro), but yes the new prophecy will be a pain train in the right situations now compared to before it just plain didnt cut it. I was playing around with Harb on test server last night...that thing is a beast

Edit: Just found the KM's of a small fight I had with 2xThorax and a Omen with the new Harb shield fitted.
http://true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=108853
http://true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=108852
http://true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=108851

Good thing somebody noticed. Too many ship fanboys in here that want their respective races to become OP and don't realize that isn't what balance means.

Edit: Just found the KM's of a small fight I had with 2xThorax and a Omen with the new Harb shield fitted.
http://true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=108853