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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.21 07:50:00 -
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What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii? |
Diamond Bull
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.21 07:52:00 -
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I have always used Noctis as the plural for Noctis.
Look a Noctis.
Look four Noctis!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 07:59:00 -
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Noctium.
Also, rule #1 for odd plurals: if you ever think it's going to end in -ii, it isn't.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:09:00 -
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Nocxium.
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Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:21:00 -
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1 noctis
2 noctii |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:33:00 -
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Tippia is right |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:34:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii?
Noctibus is correct if you follow latin conventions with the name. I would assume FCs would use Noctis' or Noctis. |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:37:00 -
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8 noctis = noctipus |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3707
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:44:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii?
Noctis could be a completely fictional name, that is made up by a developer who knows nothing about latin, much less about its third declination. In that case a general plural would be "noctises".
If who invented them wanted to use latin as radix, then Noctis is not a noun, it's a genitive of the name "nox" (night) and means "of the night".
A plural of the noun "nox" is "noctes".
I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:51:00 -
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Noctibusii. Next question.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2145
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Posted - 2013.01.21 11:28:00 -
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Mostly always is. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:00:00 -
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Confirming "Noctium"
The chart under 'inflection' : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nox
edit: BUT..........
Since Noctis is the genitive (indicating possession, in this case 'of the night'), and not really a noun, the case for a plural is rather vague and interesting.
CCP Devs decided to make Noctis into a noun because it sounds cool I guess.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:02:00 -
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"targets"
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Effect One
Selective Hearing
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:05:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:1 noctis
2 noctii
No. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3330
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:11:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.
Honestly that makes no sense.
If using the genitive one cannot just haphazardly switch to the proper noun form and use the plural of that and have it make grammatical sense at all. Unless you know this somehow because you were 'there' with the ancients.
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Zimmy Zeta
RvB - RED Federation
6092
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:11:00 -
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Tippia is wrong and Vaerah is right.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2962
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:13:00 -
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What would the plural of "primae noctis" be?
Since Noctis is a noun, not part of a phrase, I think it's safe to assume that English style pluralisation is appropriate: "Noctises". Or if you want to sound like a bobo (that's a French perjorative for "hipster", derived from "bourgeoisie bohemian") you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium. That will impress your dumb friends in the noob PvP corp, but won't pass muster on the forums.
Latin's a dead language, as dead as dead can be. It killed the ancient Romans, and now it's killing me!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3330
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:14:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
Since Noctis is a noun,
It isn't.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2962
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:16:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Since Noctis is a noun,
It isn't.
What is it then? When I point at that spaceship and call it a Noctis, am I lying?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3330
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:18:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Since Noctis is a noun,
It isn't. What is it then? When I point at that spaceship and call it a Noctis, am I lying?
lol. I know, it is a crazy case indeed. It's a manufactured use of the word turned into a noun.
edit: at least the developers of the old game "Noctis" used it properly as the title translated "Of the Night".
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
Insurance Fraud.
168
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii? Noctis could be a completely fictional name, that is made up by a developer who knows nothing about latin, much less about its third declination. In that case a general plural would be "noctises". If who invented them wanted to use latin as radix, then Noctis is not a noun, it's a genitive of the name "nox" (night) and means "of the night". A plural of the noun "nox" is "noctes". I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises. Edit: that's the problem with Wikipedia and dictionaries, they are tools to be used with background information on the topics they cover yet most just copy and paste.
^this for the angle you guys are playing, but it's a proper noun. -es.
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:"targets"
/thread |
Gotch Urarse
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:33:00 -
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:55:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium. GǪexcept that -ium isn't a false-Lating ending. It's the correct ending if you just make noctis plural. Now -ii, on the other hand, that's pretty much always false.
The only question is if you want the plural to be [of-the-night]s or if you want it to be [somethings] of the night.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2965
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Posted - 2013.01.21 13:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium. GǪexcept that -ium isn't a false-Lating ending. It's the correct ending if you just make noctis plural. Now -ii, on the other hand, that's pretty much always false. The only question is if you want the plural to be [of-the-night]s or if you want it to be [somethings] of the night.
How do you pluralise post-partum?
How do you pluralise the right to freedom of political expression?
How do you pluralise Jus Primae Noctis?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3330
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Posted - 2013.01.21 13:37:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you pluralise post-partum?
You don't. That is a state of being, not a noun.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12763
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Posted - 2013.01.21 13:48:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:How do you pluralise post-partum? See above.
Quote:How do you pluralise the right to freedom of political expression? That depends which part you have more of GÇö the rights, the different kinds of freedom, or the expressions.
Quote:How do you pluralise Jus Primae Noctis? That depends if you want more rights or more nights.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3712
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Posted - 2013.01.21 13:56:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.
Honestly that makes no sense. If using the genitive one cannot just haphazardly switch to the proper noun form and use the plural of that and have it make grammatical sense at all. Unless you know this somehow because you were 'there' with the ancients.
I was not there with the ancients but I studied latin and live in Italy so I kind of have an idea about how we think in a given situation (which is often very odd and convoluted thinking but still...).
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.21 14:07:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I was not there with the ancients but I studied latin and live in Italy so I kind of have an idea about how we think in a given situation (which is often very odd and convoluted thinking but still...).
Odd and convoluted in Italy ? Since when ? 
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
304
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Posted - 2013.01.21 14:08:00 -
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DELETED lol
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