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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:26:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:1 noctis plus 1 noctis equals... Babby Noctis? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:41:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii? Noctis could be a completely fictional name, that is made up by a developer who knows nothing about latin, much less about its third declination. In that case a general plural would be "noctises". If who invented them wanted to use latin as radix, then Noctis is not a noun, it's a genitive of the name "nox" (night) and means "of the night". A plural of the noun "nox" is "noctes". I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises. Edit: that's the problem with Wikipedia and dictionaries, they are tools to be used with background information on the topics they cover yet most just copy and paste.
Very impressive, Vearah.
If I understood it, I would be impressed with me also.
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Sabin Infernorum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:04:00 -
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A genitive by itself in latin often means man, woman, or thing of the x, where x is the genitive. If we assume it means "Thing of the night" (It's more elegant in latin), then the plural would still be Noctis, only the context would change. Even if we say it means "Man/Woman of the night", the plural would still be Noctis.
Ergo, the plural of Noctis is Noctis. |
Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:15:00 -
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I just have to wonder what was int he CCP dev's minds when they decided on "Primae" and "Noctis" as the names. Google "Jus Primae Noctis" if you are not familiar with the phrase already.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:20:00 -
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Sabin Infernorum wrote:A genitive by itself in latin often means man, woman, or thing of the x, where x is the genitive. If we assume it means "Thing of the night" (It's more elegant in latin), then the plural would still be Noctis, only the context would change. Even if we say it means "Man/Woman of the night", the plural would still be Noctis.
Ergo, the plural of Noctis is Noctis. GǪwhich leads back to the question of what is it you want to pluralise? Do you want the plural to be Gǣ[something of-the-night]sGǥ or do want it to be Gǣ[something]s of the nightGǥGǪ or Gǣsomething of-the-[night]sGǥ?
If we just take the word and then pick its plural form, we arrive at noctium.
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:51:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You add an "es" for each additional Noctis on grid. So...
1 = Noctis
2 = Noctises
4 = Noctiseseses
8 = Why the hell are there 8 of these things here?
Could add more than 8 = someone's going to end up on a comedy fleets killboard.  |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
465
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:23:00 -
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Pretty sure 8 Noctis is a Noctopi.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:41:00 -
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Naes Mlahrend wrote:8 noctis = noctipus
I literally loled. In a quiet house at 5 am in the morning
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.02 08:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.  What is seen cannot be unseen.
Unless you see something whilst very drunk.
I know, I have tested it.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:14:00 -
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Single: Noctis
Plural: More than one Noctis
Malcanis for CSM 8
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Jules Wynnfield
MicroPush
Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2013.03.02 10:59:00 -
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I don't know if this will help,
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nox
GÖ½ When I think about you, I touch myself GÖ½-á- Divinyls 1991 |
Seven Noctis
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:47:00 -
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For the record, I decided on this name before I knew there was a ship in the game called "Noctis" and being fully aware of what the word means.
Tippia gave the simplest and most grammatically correct answer to the original question.
The problem is that it is used as a proper name in EVE. Although, like Vaerah was getting at, it makes little to no sense for it to be used as such on its own and "noctium", despite being the proper plural form, probably sounds even more odd than the singular and distorts the meaning.
With (some) respect to Latin grammar and in attempt to preserve the meaning, using "noctis" for both singular and plural makes sense in the given context, or you could go the fully Anglicized way and use "noctises" instead. Personally, I find the former option much more appealing/correct. |
TheButcherPete
The James Gang
R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:59:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:What would the plural of "primae noctis" be?
Since Noctis is a noun, not part of a phrase, I think it's safe to assume that English style pluralisation is appropriate: "Noctises". Or if you want to sound like a bobo (that's a French perjorative for "hipster", derived from "bourgeoisie bohemian") you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium. That will impress your dumb friends in the noob PvP corp, but won't pass muster on the forums.
Latin's a dead language, as dead as dead can be. It killed the ancient Romans, and now it's killing me!
Primae jus noctis ;)
Bzzt.
GÖÑ Punkturis GÖÑ |
4runner
Eternal Profiteers
Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.02 17:47:00 -
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Two Noctis, one wreck |
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.02 17:56:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You add an "es" for each additional Noctis on grid. So...
1 = Noctis
2 = Noctises
4 = Noctiseseses
8 = Why the hell are there 8 of these things here?
9 = TARP!!
James 315 for CSM 8. A voice for hi-sec, a voice for reason. |
Melody Cadelanne
Redhogs
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:29:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote: 1 noctis plus 1 noctis equals...
2 noctis. It's elementary, my dear Watson. |
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