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Emeline Cabernet
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Posted - 2005.07.03 20:05:00 -
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ohh buuuhuuuu
someone's gotta think before they shot.. NOOOOO!!!!
ccp ruined the game now
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.07.03 20:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 03/07/2005 17:20:49
Originally by: MadGaz
omg wardodging 'sploit. 
Actually, its not a sploit. You can freely leave a corp, and nothing keep you from rejoin it again later. What is a sploit is to leave a corp to avoid a camp/blockade, etc then rejoin again right after, rinse and repeat.
Taking a vacation in npc corps's is how players like us, avoid players like you, you might not like it, but know what? we really dont care 
It was a JOKE you sad sad person.
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.07.03 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Well maybe there can be a isk sink into this... a pirate can pay himself to get better standing... for example ... 1 billion isk to get back into empire ???
Just a tought ofcourse, that it is a way to get away from the time sink and maybe make it a isk sink instead ???
One million isk to get back into empire?
Are you crazy?
When I do catch someone who is belt hopping for NPC's and arent mission running cowards. I can rarely ransom them for much, heck Im happy to make 15million isk A DAY from ransoms.
In the past there was a system where you could pay concord "bribes". It was removed cause it got abused too much. It was by far much easier than killing 750k rats and that system was there for a purpose.
A lot of small low sec corps will now be left without options. Give up piracy if they want to continue trading in empire without alts.
This means that the pirates being left will be -10 people who WILL kill without remorse.
Heck, it's usually much better money from killing than ransoming.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.07.03 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ander
Originally by: Arcticblue2
Well maybe there can be a isk sink into this... a pirate can pay himself to get better standing... for example ... 1 billion isk to get back into empire ???
Just a tought ofcourse, that it is a way to get away from the time sink and maybe make it a isk sink instead ???
One million isk to get back into empire?
Are you crazy?
When I do catch someone who is belt hopping for NPC's and arent mission running cowards. I can rarely ransom them for much, heck Im happy to make 15million isk A DAY from ransoms.
In the past there was a system where you could pay concord "bribes". It was removed cause it got abused too much. It was by far much easier than killing 750k rats and that system was there for a purpose.
A lot of small low sec corps will now be left without options. Give up piracy if they want to continue trading in empire without alts.
This means that the pirates being left will be -10 people who WILL kill without remorse.
Heck, it's usually much better money from killing than ransoming.
Actually I said 1 billion...  quite a isk sink if you ask me, besides if people move out to low sec the market will move with them.
Even missionrunners will have to need stuff and hate moving around to gather stuff so don't worry the market will get to low sec as well, you will most likly not need to be in high sec so much to trade.
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Alita Tiphares
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Posted - 2005.07.04 00:55:00 -
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this change merely means pirates will have to pick their targets more carefully if they want to go back to empire.
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2005.07.04 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 03/07/2005 17:20:49
Originally by: MadGaz
omg wardodging 'sploit.
Actually, its not a sploit. You can freely leave a corp, and nothing keep you from rejoin it again later. What is a sploit is to leave a corp to avoid a camp/blockade, etc then rejoin again right after, rinse and repeat.
Taking a vacation in npc corps's is how players like us, avoid players like you, you might not like it, but know what? we really dont care
A VACATION MMMUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
You sir are delusional you admited to seeding your corpmates into to NPC corps to avoid the war in another locked thread....... So nice try it is a sploit if they return to said corp....... And the all seeing eye will be watching you with the finger on the button 
As to the subject, I have posted on tis in another thread also, there is a huge imbalance in the sec system, has been there for along time. But it has come more to light since the patch notes, becouse we criminal types had been able to get back up to sec status before we collected our social security checks.
Now it is the way it is supposed to be acording to CCP, cool but now it is near imposible to return if you want to be a good guy for awhile, without spending six months to get sec back up for me becouse i get maybe 3 hr's a day due to me having to put bacon on the table.
Now your gonna say you chose blah blah, I hear ya and i did but the fast dwindiling profession of the pirate, ganker and the bounty hunter are less viable.
And to all the peeps out there if i get to low i can survive got a indy allt that can bring me stuff 
For me... Group therapy is a 30 pack of BEER!!
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Bryndal
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Posted - 2005.07.04 01:25:00 -
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You have 3 characters on your account same as everyone else, stop suicide gamking with one of them and work up an empire character.
This is no alt by the way so dont start.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.04 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zell
Whats being lost in translation, is not the fact that you "can't" repair faction/standing, but choose not to do so...At the rate now prescribed by CCP.
Ok you've been nerfed.
Many other game mechanics have been changed, and will continue to do so, some even not to your likeing....
Deal, or quit.
Ive dealt with it/
I admire the way you took facts and ignored them. Then you inferred what you want out of them.
\o/
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.07.04 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Level 4 agent missions will still be a great cash cow.
The main problem with the change in the way sec status works is people deserve the chance to change their play styles.
It's a one way trip now.
Perhaps there should be a kind to amnesty available when the patch comes out, to give those players a chance to change their play styles.
But getting rid of the Carebears that think they are Pirates, the one's that do their dance, and jumping from Empire to Unsecure space, is better in the long run.
All pirates risk is losing some Sec status when podkilling another player. It's about time that penalty had the same teeth as a Podkill.
All we risk is some sec status?
Wrong, utterly wrong.
Instead of caring about limiting our pod-killing we'll think **** it. Ill go -10 instead and kill every pod I get my hands on.
With the old system we were thoughtful about losing 12,5% for one podkill. Since we could still increase our sec rating within a reasonable time.
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Alita Tiphares
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Posted - 2005.07.04 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ander
Originally by: Rafein
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Level 4 agent missions will still be a great cash cow.
The main problem with the change in the way sec status works is people deserve the chance to change their play styles.
It's a one way trip now.
Perhaps there should be a kind to amnesty available when the patch comes out, to give those players a chance to change their play styles.
But getting rid of the Carebears that think they are Pirates, the one's that do their dance, and jumping from Empire to Unsecure space, is better in the long run.
All pirates risk is losing some Sec status when podkilling another player. It's about time that penalty had the same teeth as a Podkill.
All we risk is some sec status?
Wrong, utterly wrong.
Instead of caring about limiting our pod-killing we'll think **** it. Ill go -10 instead and kill every pod I get my hands on.
With the old system we were thoughtful about losing 12,5% for one podkill. Since we could still increase our sec rating within a reasonable time.
Then what are you whining about? Go -10 and stop moaning on the forum.
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Karneh Vorous
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Posted - 2005.07.04 04:21:00 -
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Personally, I don't mind the change but, I think if they are going to do this they need to get rid of the 15 min timer. Right now it doesn't matter if you kill 3000 750 battleships if you don't kill them 15 minutes apart from one another. You only get 1 increase every 15 minutes.
Drop that nonsence and let folks get sec increases for all of their kills which will give someone an alternate to the chain killing of Battleships. Right now someone just sits at a spawn point and waits for a another Battleship to appear. If you give them all the credit for their kills they'll be more willing to move around and give 0.0 pilots a lot more targets.
Give and take... Take the 750 massive increase away but give us credit for all of our NPC kills and not just 1 every 15 minutes.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.07.04 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Unbeleever
You sir are delusional you admited to seeding your corpmates into to NPC corps to avoid the war in another locked thread....... So nice try it is a sploit if they return to said corp....... And the all seeing eye will be watching you with the finger on the button
It's not allowed to post mails from GM's on this forum, but since you are clueless it seems, maybe you shold contact one to clear it up?
People are free to leave a corp and rejoin it at later date, if they so desire. Even the corp in question is involved in wars. Example of what is not allowed:
You sit in a camped station, leave your corp, then get away, then rejoin your corp 10 mins later. Rinse and repeat in similar situations, that is what is not allowed and considered a exploit. If you dont believ me, contact a GM on the question.
You can call me delusional, but Ill just regard it as being practical. The low cost of declearing war and no penalities what so ever to start them, is basically green card for piracy in Empire. However, just because someone decleare on you, doesnt mean you have to let it bother you, there is alwasy ways around it.
Business as usual, have a nice day Sir
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.07.04 07:49:00 -
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People are narrow minded and .. well stupid.
Is 750k only NPC rat out there? How about you learn Fast Talk lvl5 and seek *gasp* 1mil or 1.5mil or even 2mil NPC's?
They give you even MORE sec raise than 750k rats.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
They give you even MORE sec raise than 750k rats.
No they don't.
Not yet, anyway.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.07.04 08:28:00 -
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The bigger BSs will give more sec status than 750ks, which is as it should be, but trust me on this, Fast Talk is broken. I have it trained to L4, and it has had no noticable effect. Apparently it is supposed to be giving me 16% more to sec status gains. 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.04 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
People are narrow minded and .. well stupid.
Is 750k only NPC rat out there? How about you learn Fast Talk lvl5 and seek *gasp* 1mil or 1.5mil or even 2mil NPC's?
They give you even MORE sec raise than 750k rats.
Not just a whiner, an uninformed one too. \o/
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.07.04 08:29:00 -
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ok lets put it like this.
before the fix/nerf the 750k rats how many players bother to kill otehr rats for sec status ?
none.
Why ?
because it taks to long.
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another point.
Alot of players have multiple accounts. They use the carebear one to make money for the -10 pirate.
Lucky for me I have been working on a 2nd account for just this purpose.
When i finish training it I will use my toon with the sec hit to mindlessly gank anything that moves.
First I will go to yulia or newbie starter areas (or both) and kill anything that moves. once my sec status is to low I will move progrssivly to lower sec ganking as i go.
When I get to -5 I will be stuck n .4 or lower. Thats ok. I will still gank. I will join my other low sec brethran and gank and gank and gank.
I wont have to worry about money as my new primary accoutn will be making it all. If I need ships my alt will fly them down for mw.
I could even suck someones **** and join an alliance (or not)
<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->
Together we Gank, Divided we Pop.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.07.04 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Karneh Vorous
Give and take... Take the 750 massive increase away but give us credit for all of our NPC kills and not just 1 every 15 minutes.
that is only fair, I agree on that if you kill a NPC you should get the sec increase from it no matter how, as long as you kill it.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alita Tiphares
Then what are you whining about? Go -10 and stop moaning on the forum.
Grow some balls and post with your main alt-nubtard.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Grow some balls and post with your main alt-nubtard.
No need to be rude and call names, you could end up hurt someones feelings you know
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:57:00 -
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I don't get it. Before this patch we have "pirates" who take massive sec hits and then get all the sec status back from 750k rats. The other rats are pointless because they get very little sec status back from them. 750k rats aside, the argument that rats in general do not give enough sec status has some merit. But as long as people are able to recover from large sec hits relatively easily, is anyone really going to listen to that? After the patch it will be more difficult to recover sec status, but also the argument to increase sec status from all rats will become stronger. Wouldn't it be better to get a decent sec status increase from all rats instead of only the 750k ones being worthwhile?
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.07.04 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Anderran
I don't get it. Before this patch we have "pirates" who take massive sec hits and then get all the sec status back from 750k rats. The other rats are pointless because they get very little sec status back from them. 750k rats aside, the argument that rats in general do not give enough sec status has some merit. But as long as people are able to recover from large sec hits relatively easily, is anyone really going to listen to that? After the patch it will be more difficult to recover sec status, but also the argument to increase sec status from all rats will become stronger. Wouldn't it be better to get a decent sec status increase from all rats instead of only the 750k ones being worthwhile?
I could agree on that.
Bringing yourself up from -10 shouldnt take months and months of grinding. One kill from a pirate doesnt usually cause the miner to lose more then a few hours of work. Just as much as pirates lose a lot if they die. However, I can agree on that evil deeds should have a bit tougher time to make up for. But as it is now is fine. People who want to mindlessly kill will stay -10, it's taking a lot of time even now if you want to get down to even.
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Alita Tiphares
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Posted - 2005.07.05 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ander
Originally by: Corvus Anderran
I don't get it. Before this patch we have "pirates" who take massive sec hits and then get all the sec status back from 750k rats. The other rats are pointless because they get very little sec status back from them. 750k rats aside, the argument that rats in general do not give enough sec status has some merit. But as long as people are able to recover from large sec hits relatively easily, is anyone really going to listen to that? After the patch it will be more difficult to recover sec status, but also the argument to increase sec status from all rats will become stronger. Wouldn't it be better to get a decent sec status increase from all rats instead of only the 750k ones being worthwhile?
I could agree on that.
Bringing yourself up from -10 shouldnt take months and months of grinding. One kill from a pirate doesnt usually cause the miner to lose more then a few hours of work. Just as much as pirates lose a lot if they die. However, I can agree on that evil deeds should have a bit tougher time to make up for. But as it is now is fine. People who want to mindlessly kill will stay -10, it's taking a lot of time even now if you want to get down to even.
you must be the biggest whining weekend pirate on the forum ander, congrats
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.05 02:24:00 -
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To add to what I said above, it seems I was right, since all sec status increases from NPC rat kills are now doubled, with commanders and officers being x4 and x8. As I said in the other thread, this looks to me that ransoming and shipkilling in 0.1-0.4 ought to be doable while avoid dropping to outlaw status, as long as you help Concord turn a blind eye by hunting NPC rats to compensate. If you podkill though, you're going to be in trouble.
This should leave shipkilling common in 0.1-0.4, but only outlaws will be podkilling in those areas. It depends if the increased sec status gains are enough to counterbalance ship killing sec status loss though.
I also still think the 15 minute gain limit should probably be removed too.
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.07.05 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alita Tiphares
Originally by: Ander
Originally by: Corvus Anderran
I don't get it. Before this patch we have "pirates" who take massive sec hits and then get all the sec status back from 750k rats. The other rats are pointless because they get very little sec status back from them. 750k rats aside, the argument that rats in general do not give enough sec status has some merit. But as long as people are able to recover from large sec hits relatively easily, is anyone really going to listen to that? After the patch it will be more difficult to recover sec status, but also the argument to increase sec status from all rats will become stronger. Wouldn't it be better to get a decent sec status increase from all rats instead of only the 750k ones being worthwhile?
I could agree on that.
Bringing yourself up from -10 shouldnt take months and months of grinding. One kill from a pirate doesnt usually cause the miner to lose more then a few hours of work. Just as much as pirates lose a lot if they die. However, I can agree on that evil deeds should have a bit tougher time to make up for. But as it is now is fine. People who want to mindlessly kill will stay -10, it's taking a lot of time even now if you want to get down to even.
you must be the biggest whining weekend pirate on the forum ander, congrats
Thanks ;) that means Im getting heard.
Always happy to hear from my number one 'alt' posting carebear.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.07.05 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Originally by: Alita Tiphares
Then what are you whining about? Go -10 and stop moaning on the forum.
Grow some balls and post with your main alt-nubtard.
I always find this statement funny when players post, using a fictional alias in a game, as if they themselves are not hiding behind an alias......as to the tactical use of spies and moles in eve, we have our masters and are sworn to death before divulging their names 
...and don't bring your personal issue with genitailia into the matter, a gm could be asked to correct such offensive behavior.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.05 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
Originally by: MadGaz
Originally by: Alita Tiphares
Then what are you whining about? Go -10 and stop moaning on the forum.
Grow some balls and post with your main alt-nubtard.
I always find this statement funny when players post, using a fictional alias in a game, as if they themselves are not hiding behind an alias......as to the tactical use of spies and moles in eve, we have our masters and are sworn to death before divulging their names
...and don't bring your personal issue with genitailia into the matter, a gm could be asked to correct such offensive behavior.
Actually, mods control the forums.
GM's are ingame. It's ok though. You just bring new ways to show your ignorance to our attention
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muriel
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Posted - 2005.07.05 22:13:00 -
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i think its a flaw in the game when you only gets security rating every 15 min and not for every npc you kills.
game mekanic the other way.
you kills say 8 players and gets hits 8 times for security rating when you should only been hit 1 time beacuse it happened inside a 15 min period.
sorry i am not so smart 
but i am happy
oh and i am bad at placing out these ....... yes i know.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.07.05 23:10:00 -
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Please keep it friendly and refrain from the trolling/flaming.
Thanks!
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