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baltec1 Bat Country 4900	Posted - 2013.01.24 18:21:00 - [1] - Quote Kamii Yo wrote: Andski wrote: I'm sorry but no matter how new you are you shouldn't be dumb enough to give a PLEX to someone else via station trade "New" is not a synonym for "stupid" And how is a new player to know this? If you want to buy and sell something - and the person was in the same station as you - why wouldn't you use the trade system? Every other MMO in the world has a trade system that operates in a similar fashion...it would be the natural port of call. Would have thought learning how many zeros make up a number is a thing you learn in year one of school.
baltec1 Bat Country 4900	Posted - 2013.01.24 19:08:00 - [2] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Captain TNT wrote: There are two ways to learn lessons: the easy way and the hard way and the poor kid got it in the hard way, as simple as that although i feel bad about the incidence in all The problem is that this was a RL lesson learned from a ridiculous video game. Do you really think that the cold horrifying "reality" of Eve is a good model with which to teach kids about life? Gahhh! They would all grow up to be hateful lawyers that carried guns. At the very least it will teach him that a number containing just one number and that being zero does not equal several hundred million.
baltec1 Bat Country 4900	Posted - 2013.01.24 20:08:00 - [3] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: Quote: EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit. Does that make it any clearer? Mr Epeen Given EVE is still up and running after 10 years and growing for all that time I would say its working just fine.
baltec1 Bat Country 4901	Posted - 2013.01.24 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Galadriel Vasquez wrote: I mean that I am good at filtering bullshits in regard to your aformentioned concern that as I had proffered help to the individual I would get "it was me" begging attempts. Don't worry about me - worry about our games poor newbs! Generally speaking, nubs don't make this kind of mistake.
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:37:00 - [5] - Quote Daisai wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. Eve online is a game.... Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts. A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's. Yet it still has more subs than all the ndw mmos to ome out over the last five years.
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:54:00 - [6] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening.
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:21:00 - [7] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Hull cost has no impact upon the gank target. 90% of subcaps are profitable to gank if they fit no tank and t2 mods.
baltec1 Bat Country 4906	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:37:00 - [8] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Hull cost has no impact upon the gank target. 90% of subcaps are profitable to gank if they fit no tank and t2 mods. Actually, the math fascinates me. Gonna take now...what 2 or 3 Nado's to one volley a well tanked hulk? Doesn't sound profitable to me? What if the guy has an ASB and Crystals? It took 3 nados to take down a well tanked hulk before the patch, 5 for a supertank. Needless to say that it was massivly unprofitable to do that so it ever happened outside of hulkageddon and even then it was the very last target you would go for.
baltec1 Bat Country 4907	Posted - 2013.01.25 08:58:00 - [9] - Quote dexington wrote: baltec1 wrote: It took 3 nados to take down a well tanked hulk before the patch, 5 for a supertank. Needless to say that it was massivly unprofitable to do that so it ever happened outside of hulkageddon and even then it was the very last target you would go for. You think it should be profitable to gank each an every ship in hi-sec?, don't know if you are just clueless, naive or trolling... It is currently profitable to kill most ships if they fit t2 mods and no tank. If has always been this way.
baltec1 Bat Country 4919	Posted - 2013.01.25 15:32:00 - [10] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: What does scamming bring to the game? Ganking brings new ship hulls and a demand for more mods. Also the mining barge exhumer barge wouldnt have been a cost issue, if TEC were to not be charging extortionary rates. That and the fact it was shown they had lower health relative to their class, and definitely to low for their stated background. They had the same base tank as heavy assault ships.
baltec1 Bat Country 4921	Posted - 2013.01.25 16:51:00 - [11] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Eve is the most complicated game out there. It takes years to learn the market. The wiki is huge, just look at the hours and hours of youtube instruction. Yes I'm telling you that Eve is complicated and that the in game markets are set up with the potential to scam people. Are you telling me that the Eve UI is easy to pick up, intuitive and user friendly, and that the game is really a quite simple to interact with? It doesn't take years to figure out the number 0 does not equal 550,000,000.
baltec1 Bat Country 4923	Posted - 2013.01.25 17:09:00 - [12] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Oh don't worry about that, another window will pop up with the money you get, then we both agree and the trade is done. But you have to accept the first part first. Im sorry im not very good at explaing this, its not something I do much. There is a tutorial about trades if you want to look it up. But I have to go pretty soon. Given that you can see the thing you are trading and the amount of isk you will be getting I fail to see how someone can mess up and blame it on the system.
baltec1 Bat Country 4923	Posted - 2013.01.25 17:23:00 - [13] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: I'm not arguing that the trade system needs an overhaul or that it is too complex. Only that more people will be in the Eve universe with fat ships and fat wallets that they cannot fly or protect if we allow them to step in and look around. You say people take advantage of the complexity to scam plexes off people. Yet when challanged you then say the very system that was used to supposedly steal the plex in question isn't complicated. Your argument has crumbled. PLEX is fine as is and there are very safe ways of selling them already in game that are very simple to use.
baltec1 Bat Country 4923	Posted - 2013.01.25 17:30:00 - [14] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: It is perfectly complex, the trade system should not be changed. However perfect complexity does not equate to an inability to scam others. My argument is that injection of outside money into Eve would be more common if people did not have to redeem that money in game with PLEX. Just put the ISK in their wallet, problem solved. You just invented a horrible isk injection system that will cause inflation that will do great harm to the game.
baltec1 Bat Country 4923	Posted - 2013.01.25 17:37:00 - [15] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: It would not be a faucet, rather the ISK available to be purchased would come from people in game who pay for their accounts with ISK. Closed loop, no problem with inflation. Havent seen backpedeling like that since the titanic's first officer orded full reverse. So you want what we have now just with less options that make the system great.
baltec1 Bat Country 4925	Posted - 2013.01.25 18:16:00 - [16] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Andski wrote: prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking It will cause more to stay. No it wont.
baltec1 Bat Country 4947	Posted - 2013.01.27 11:20:00 - [17] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: A bounty on an alt that prolly sits in station all day and has no pilot skills? I came to the forums to ask about something that I saw. Enough people feel that this is a problem that the convo started to look for solutions. No its you vs everyone else.
baltec1 Bat Country 4948	Posted - 2013.01.27 12:43:00 - [18] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: I don't even care if the if the value of PLEX is greater, making it the better option. Only that the initiated are not exposed to the risks of PLEX. The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.
baltec1 Bat Country 4951	Posted - 2013.01.27 12:56:00 - [19] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: baltec1 wrote: The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000. The risk being that the in game exchange system, be it contracts or market or station trade, is designed to have some room for fraud. As I said, utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.