Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
9
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 20:00:00 -
[1] - Quote
Seriously and now I can agree.
I had my friend download Dust and guess what his first impression? Too much reading... and he didn't even play 1 match yet he slept that night...but fact is it was that text that didn't keep him to continue on and play his first match. The game didn't catch his attention from the start which is KEY! CCP you need to cut-down on those text-heavy pop-ups seriously this works against how our psychological mind works. I have yet to spend good quality time on DUST but EvE seems to keep my interest more than DUST.... it needs little more simplification and BETTER and to the point that isn't LONG "Interactive tutorial" rather than throwing pop-ups with stories to tell. Big no no! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4281
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 20:03:00 -
[2] - Quote
... Uhm... your post has more text than most pop-ups
|
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
9
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 20:07:00 -
[3] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:... Uhm... your post has more text than most pop-ups
What are you talking about dude? I'm trying to help and pointing out something. If you have nothing to say about what I said then you just wasted a post.. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4281
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 20:14:00 -
[4] - Quote
Meridius wrote:Nova Fox wrote:... Uhm... your post has more text than most pop-ups What are you talking about dude? I'm trying to help and pointing out something. If you have nothing to say about what I said then you just wasted a post..
I am just saying the game can't get much more stupider. Get smarter than the software.
|
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
9
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 20:21:00 -
[5] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Meridius wrote:Nova Fox wrote:... Uhm... your post has more text than most pop-ups What are you talking about dude? I'm trying to help and pointing out something. If you have nothing to say about what I said then you just wasted a post.. I am just saying the game can't get much more stupider. Get smarter than the software.
loool dude, I'm not saying dumbing it down. What I'm trying to say is PRESENT it better. With the way I see all those pop-ups with stories in them is very counter-intuitive. Did I ask to remove some gameplay/mechanics/features? No, all I said is with the way they slam those pop-ups and the lack of intuitive tutorials will will really throw off many players and I assure you I'm not alone on this. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4281
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 21:13:00 -
[6] - Quote
well I'll put it this way,
Once upon a time in eve online.
The tutorial was an expansion feature.
|
eati
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 22:23:00 -
[7] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:well I'll put it this way,
Once upon a time in eve online.
The tutorial was an expansion feature.
Once upon a time CCP was a start-up company. As us consumers we should put expectations that after over 10 years you would think they would design the tutorials right off the start.
Completely agree with the OP |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
92
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 23:48:00 -
[8] - Quote
Its an FPS.
You don't have to read the tutorial pop ups. Its not like your navigating space with a dodgy point and click interface that didn't have simple stuff like "align to object" options on the UI for 8 years.
Later once you've got some Isk reading the tutorial on the market might help.
Can I just add, if your one of these people that can't or won't read the instructions on games because its "too hard", CCP games are not for you. |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
14
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 00:17:00 -
[9] - Quote
Winters Chill wrote:Its an FPS.
You don't have to read the tutorial pop ups. Its not like your navigating space with a dodgy point and click interface that didn't have simple stuff like "align to object" options on the UI for 8 years.
Later once you've got some Isk reading the tutorial on the market might help.
Can I just add, if your one of these people that can't or won't read the instructions on games because its "too hard", CCP games are not for you.
Again it's not me having the problem, it's the risk of other players such as a friend of mine that complained about it (His initial expression) and I can see such thing can be a tick-off to more people than you and I can imagine. Trust me, CCP games are for me and I'm a very well established player in current and past history of EvE community (ex-ATUK, m0o, BoB, etc.).
The concern I have is presenting a whole bunch of text that will more than likely be skipped by the general community. Remember that CCP is exposing DUST on the front-page of PS3 store! If such design asset is skipped it can be said that it's not a valuable/well-used asset and should be rethought or removed.
Again I'm not here to bash I'm here to honestly help DUST succeed and I want to gain everyone thoughts of this not attack me.
EDIT: Exactly it's an FPS and the design/tutorials should be PRECISE and to the point with as much less reading/text possible. |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
58
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 00:31:00 -
[10] - Quote
Did you think for a second that just because it's a FPS does NOT mean it's a call of duty "wack-a-terrorist" clone. |
|
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
14
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 00:35:00 -
[11] - Quote
Mister S Burke wrote:Did you think for a second that just because it's a FPS does NOT mean it's a call of duty "wack-a-terrorist" clone.
I'm pointing out 1 specific UI design element/presentation. Do you think that changing this 1 element would make it like COD clone? You obviously have no clue of how SLDC works in making any type of software be it entertainment or not.
Don't be quick to assume my intentions and goals. Please be constructive and comment on the exact feature of concern... I assume you like how it's presented? If so what is it that you like about it because I'm curious to know, I highly doubt you even read the 10 paragraph text one. |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
58
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 00:44:00 -
[12] - Quote
Meridius wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Did you think for a second that just because it's a FPS does NOT mean it's a call of duty "wack-a-terrorist" clone. I'm pointing out 1 specific UI design element/presentation. Do you think that changing this 1 element would make it like COD clone? You obviously have no clue of how SLDC works in making any type of software be it entertainment or not. Don't be quick to assume my intentions and goals. Please be constructive and comment on the exact feature of concern... I assume you like how it's presented? If so what is it that you like about it because I'm curious to know, I highly doubt you even read the 10 paragraph text one.
Ok to be clear I will tell you exactly what I did. I skipped it because I wanted some action and I know I can go back later and read it, which I will. I will also watch the cut scene intro at a later date. You need to get some friends that are not so laughably ADD as I think they are going to have a rough go at life in general if a video game intro is too much "literature" for them.
|
Optimo Sebiestor
The Society Calyxes
144
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 01:08:00 -
[13] - Quote
Wich pop ups? |
Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
401
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 02:17:00 -
[14] - Quote
The only pop ups I see are from the sign-in screen right before the character selection. If you're talking about the loading screens with various tips posted, those are there to keep you busy while you wait for the match to load.
Also, and here is something your friend hasn't considered, WE BETA TESTERS ASKED FOR MORE TEXT!!!!!!
One more thing. Even then, there is not that much text compared to Eve Online. I didn't even bother with the bare-bones tutorial it has. If your friend is incapable of reading through such miniscule text then obviously your friend is not worthy of being a merc in New Eden.
And for being a troll, I say this to you:
"May all your clones be out of date." Adapt or Die |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
14
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 02:27:00 -
[15] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:The only pop ups I see are from the sign-in screen right before the character selection. If you're talking about the loading screens with various tips posted, those are there to keep you busy while you wait for the match to load.
Also, and here is something your friend hasn't considered, WE BETA TESTERS ASKED FOR MORE TEXT!!!!!!
One more thing. Even then, there is not that much text compared to Eve Online. I didn't even bother with the bare-bones tutorial it has. If your friend is incapable of reading through such miniscule text then obviously your friend is not worthy of being a merc in New Eden.
And for being a troll, I say this to you:
"May all your clones be out of date."
Take it easy
1st I'm not trolling.
2nd It's not those tips, I believe it was the tutorial stuff that literately had paragraph after paragraph after another paragraph. I also skipped it as someone mentioned in this forum post. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1088
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 04:30:00 -
[16] - Quote
TL;DR for a game?
Tell your friend he needs to go back and retake elementary school. Nyan |
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
251
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 11:37:00 -
[17] - Quote
Lol @ all the elitists in this thread.
The OP is dead right. There aren't enough PS3 players who want to read long text screens before playing a friggin FPS, to keep DUST viable.
It needs to be a deep PC shooter or a shallow PS3 shooter. A deep PS3 shooter is an oxymoron that will not survive.
|
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 12:35:00 -
[18] - Quote
Thomas Gore wrote:Lol @ all the elitists in this thread.
The OP is dead right. There aren't enough PS3 players who want to read long text screens before playing a friggin FPS, to keep DUST viable.
It needs to be a deep PC shooter or a shallow PS3 shooter. A deep PS3 shooter is an oxymoron that will not survive.
The bar for being elitist has really gotten low! A few years ago if you were dragging Proust or War and Peace to the coffee shop you might be jokingly accused of being elitist. Now if you read some PS3 text your are en elitist egg head know it all. LOL. What is the standard of literature in your trail...errr house? People magaizne?
|
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
251
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 13:07:00 -
[19] - Quote
El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Lol @ all the elitists in this thread.
The OP is dead right. There aren't enough PS3 players who want to read long text screens before playing a friggin FPS, to keep DUST viable.
It needs to be a deep PC shooter or a shallow PS3 shooter. A deep PS3 shooter is an oxymoron that will not survive.
The bar for being elitist has really gotten low! A few years ago if you were dragging Proust or War and Peace to the coffee shop you might be jokingly accused of being elitist. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I heard kids today are supposed to be smarter and faster yadda yadda. I guess maybe we just said that as to not hurt their feelings.
Turning 37 this year, if you really need to know.
And yes, it's elitist to talk about a PS3 shooter and say "if you don't want to read a wall of text, DUST is not for you". It's also a very stupid attitude and I really hope CCP is not going to try and pull HTFU on the PS3 crowd, because - mark my words - it's not going to work.
|
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
15
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 17:12:00 -
[20] - Quote
Thomas Gore wrote:El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Lol @ all the elitists in this thread.
The OP is dead right. There aren't enough PS3 players who want to read long text screens before playing a friggin FPS, to keep DUST viable.
It needs to be a deep PC shooter or a shallow PS3 shooter. A deep PS3 shooter is an oxymoron that will not survive.
The bar for being elitist has really gotten low! A few years ago if you were dragging Proust or War and Peace to the coffee shop you might be jokingly accused of being elitist. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I heard kids today are supposed to be smarter and faster yadda yadda. I guess maybe we just said that as to not hurt their feelings. Turning 37 this year, if you really need to know. And yes, it's elitist to talk about a PS3 shooter and say "if you don't want to read a wall of text, DUST is not for you". It's also a very stupid attitude and I really hope CCP is not going to try and pull HTFU on the PS3 crowd, because - mark my words - it's not going to work.
Completely agree with you. The PS3 crowd is different than the PC crowd and not to mention that DUST is actually on the front page of the PS3 store so the exposure is there. |
|
Clarity Hargonen
Freelance P0lice
0
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 17:52:00 -
[21] - Quote
Dust, like EVE, has a complex system. If you don't know what you are doing you may not know to place points to level up skills and setup your dropsuit fittings.
Those "walls" of text are there to familiarize new players that may not have any idea how the system works. So they are completely necessary. Take that away and you'll have many players complaining that they have no idea what they are doing.
That being said, they can also be completely skipped. If you are so awesome that you don't need a tutorial explaining the complex systems the game has then hit the "SQUARE" button and you'll never see the pop up again. You at least read THAT part right......? |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
15
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 17:58:00 -
[22] - Quote
Clarity Hargonen wrote:Dust, like EVE, has a complex system. If you don't know what you are doing you may not know to place points to level up skills and setup your dropsuit fittings.
Those "walls" of text are there to familiarize new players that may not have any idea how the system works. So they are completely necessary. Take that away and you'll have many players complaining that they have no idea what they are doing.
That being said, they can also be completely skipped. If you are so awesome that you don't need a tutorial explaining the complex systems the game has then hit the "SQUARE" button and you'll never see the pop up again. You at least read THAT part right......?
I did read it then eventually skipped it because I knew what it was trying to get at, remember I played EvE long time so stuff in DUST is familiar to ME but to others it may be difficult which is understandable why they have that wall of text. BUT that wall of text is a bad presentation of teaching the player about all the complicated functions of DUST, what I'm trying to get at is that wall of text COULD be presented better and you would think by now CCP would learn from their past and present tutorials better (EvE tutorial is even better than DUST) |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
51
|
Posted - 2013.01.26 03:46:00 -
[23] - Quote
Seriously? I just downloaded Dust, and it took me maybe 10 minutes to read everything important and get in a match (I even got a 4/5 kd ratio in my first match). After about an hour I already had my first few custom dropsuits and vehicles up and running, and my initial skillpoints applied. It's really not that hard. And you only have to read it once. |
black cree
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
41
|
Posted - 2013.01.26 04:41:00 -
[24] - Quote
I agree with op, however the stupid forum ate my post, which is ironically about wall of texts.
To sum up : why forcing people to ingest wall of texts and stupid loading screens that only load their own fancy video?
In 2013 if i want to ingest a wall of text, i ll go and search the information i want on the internet IF i want it. I dont need that it pops up in my face every time I play like the proverbial chinese water torture.
Micro obstacles, i believe business is about to remove them not adding them to the customer. |
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2013.01.26 16:45:00 -
[25] - Quote
Meridius wrote: I did read it then eventually skipped it because I knew what it was trying to get at, remember I played EvE long time so stuff in DUST is familiar to ME but to others it may be difficult which is understandable why they have that wall of text. BUT that wall of text is a bad presentation of teaching the player about all the complicated functions of DUST, what I'm trying to get at is that wall of text COULD be presented better and you would think by now CCP would learn from their past and present tutorials better (EvE tutorial is even better than DUST)
As I said you can blow thru all that, jump in a skirmish, then it's just a shooter and you pew pew the other guy. It is NOT in any way complicated. Stop being afraid of words, it's embarrassing.Don't think that just because it's CCP it means it has that "learning curve is too damn high" I don't think EVE is complicated either, but that's another story. CCP made a shooter related/integrated with EVE but other than a few similarities, skill books, gear purchase, make the character you want etc. that's the end of the similarities. I'm really laughing now, "too long didn't read" LOL. Hey, tell your friends to get used to minimum wage and tell them to make my latte hotter, I hate it under temp.
Look with all seriousness this is why everyone is getting ripped off by their boss, school, banks, employers etc. "THE MAN" reads, so you better learn. I bet you didn't see that arbitration agreement in all those loans/contracts you signed. You know you can't sue them in a court of law right? Yet all I hear the mouth breathers say is "it's a free country", yeah until you signed the things you didn't read. If a few paragraphs is too much reading your friends are going to be low wage fools who are saddled with huge debt their whole life, this is sad. |
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2013.01.26 16:52:00 -
[26] - Quote
black cree wrote:
Micro obstacles, i believe business is about to remove them not adding them to the customer.
Your belief is false, imagine that. I wish I had a dollar for everyone on a game forum who had an MBA with a dual video game programming degree. It's called a niche, they are no more competing against COD than eve is competing with wow. What you are saying is to race to the bottom and be all things to all people, this is a business death sentence.
|
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1607
|
Posted - 2013.01.27 00:33:00 -
[27] - Quote
Maybe it's just me, but I don't recall any pop-ups beyond those shown when loading in closed beta, and they were necessary at the time. As far as I know, they aren't there anymore. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4288
|
Posted - 2013.01.27 17:14:00 -
[28] - Quote
New Dust 514 meme. L2R, Learn to Read.
|
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1094
|
Posted - 2013.01.27 18:17:00 -
[29] - Quote
It's in beta. It's not complete. The NPE has yet to be created.
And proper beta, rather than 'here's the game like we're going to release it. thank the marketing department for this demo' beta. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
18
|
Posted - 2013.01.27 19:08:00 -
[30] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:It's in beta. It's not complete. The NPE has yet to be created.
And proper beta, rather than 'here's the game like we're going to release it. thank the marketing department for this demo' beta.
Are you a fool? I'm simply stating something to help the game. I understand it's in Beta! lol |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |