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Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.01.27 19:25:00 -
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I'm amazed you and your friend know how to read, considering you hate it so much. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.01.27 19:28:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:I'm amazed you and your friend know how to read, considering you hate it so much.
I don't and you don't from the looks of it but you and me is not them (general PS3 community) think a little bit outside the box and like an entrepreneur for once then you'll understand why I'm stating what is stated in the OP |
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
252
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Posted - 2013.01.28 06:16:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:It's in beta. It's not complete. The NPE has yet to be created.
And proper beta, rather than 'here's the game like we're going to release it. thank the marketing department for this demo' beta.
I really hope so. They really need to have proper tutorials in place instead of those walls of text to attract a larger playerbase. There is no need to try to submerge the new player (who probably has never even heard of EVE, much less is familiar how the game systems work) into a torrent of info from the get go.
The poster above said it well. You have to think outside your EVE box. Think about the average console gamer and how much time they want to invest in finding info about the game instead of just playing it. They bought the console to make it easy to play games. |
Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 19:27:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:It's in beta. It's not complete. The NPE has yet to be created.
And proper beta, rather than 'here's the game like we're going to release it. thank the marketing department for this demo' beta. I really hope so. They really need to have proper tutorials in place instead of those walls of text to attract a larger playerbase. There is no need to try to submerge the new player (who probably has never even heard of EVE, much less is familiar how the game systems work) into a torrent of info from the get go. The poster above said it well. You have to think outside your EVE box. Think about the average console gamer and how much time they want to invest in finding info about the game instead of just playing it. They bought the console to make it easy to play games.
WELL SAID, I bow to you sir! |
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:46:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:You have to think outside your EVE box. Think about the average console gamer and how much time they want to invest in finding info about the game instead of just playing it. They bought the console to make it easy to play games.
I've been playing EVE since December, it's not an EVE box. These guys aren't after the call of duty kids, they will get some but that isn't the demographic of this game. You look foolish saying this game is after, wants or needs the COD demographic. They tweaked the wheel here, they didn't reinvent it and it's pretty much a no brainer, hence the illegal suits. First it's on PS3 and that right there tells you they are going after older gamers, XBOX is the defacto childrens console. Adults don't waste their time online having a console war, those are young teens.
The only thing this game has in common with EVE is the theme, skills and some customization, that's it. This is a simple shooter with a customizable suit swith weapons you buy, it's not rocket science and frankly if no one reads the "wall of painful words" it won't matter. It's not like you can "scew up" your character.
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Meridius
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
20
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Posted - 2013.01.29 01:18:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:.... frankly if no one reads the "wall of painful words" it won't matter. It's not like you can "screw up" your character.
Redundant content confuses "new" users initially, thus it's best if it's not used and the metrics shows so then it's best it's removed. Simple software design process to make it more efficient, of-course that's not say CCP is not aware of this.. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4289
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Posted - 2013.01.29 06:09:00 -
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Well it was better than a build or two ago that didn't have any tutorial what so ever and we had all to teach each other.
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:30:00 -
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We're not suggesting the game should be "dumbed down". It just needs to have a way to bring in the players "softly" and then teach them the ropes bit by bit. By the time the random PS3 player is encountering the third screen of text he will already be thinking "Oh come on I want to SHOOT STUFF ALREADY!"
And for PS3 being the "adults console"... I don't know what to say. You have some statistics or just pulled that out of your ass? PS3 was selected, because Microsoft's update policy is much more difficult for an evolving game as DUST. It has nothing to do with the average age of gamers on each console, which I would wager, is not that different from each other. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1684
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:25:00 -
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Dust is a bit more in-depth than an average FPS. Reading is good for you.
As for the elitist argument, here's a list of antonyms for "elite":
common, low-class, lower, lower-class, ordinary, poor, worst
Which would you rather be? :)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Minsc
Order of the Phoenix Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:33:00 -
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of course the text tutorials are placeholder. why would they invest time and resources recording and editing tutorial videos for features that are still incomplete and may change before wide release. hell there are many features that are completely absent still.
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:57:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Dust is a bit more in-depth than an average FPS. Reading is good for you.
As for the elitist argument, here's a list of antonyms for "elite":
common, low-class, lower, lower-class, ordinary, poor, worst
Which would you rather be? :)
Common and ordinary comes to mind first, when speaking of the average PS3 gamer.
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Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:00:00 -
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I don't need people who are put off by words playing my games. Elitist or not, if a person is "put off" by a few blocks of text, I don't really care to associate with them, and they will not really be missed.
I know that this game needs players to be successful, but as far as I am aware, there should be enough literate people in the world to fill the game. |
Lister
Galactic Shipyards Inc
14
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:34:00 -
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Meridius wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Did you think for a second that just because it's a FPS does NOT mean it's a call of duty "wack-a-terrorist" clone. I'm pointing out 1 specific UI design element/presentation. Do you think that changing this 1 element would make it like COD clone? You obviously have no clue of how SLDC works in making any type of software be it entertainment or not. Don't be quick to assume my intentions and goals. Please be constructive and comment on the exact feature of concern... I assume you like how it's presented? If so what is it that you like about it because I'm curious to know, I highly doubt you even read the 10 paragraph text one.
Your right - I skipped it, my guess is most people would.
What I worry about with new players to Dust is that they don't do the real basic things, for instance set passive SP to active.
The first couple of times you log in it should say before anything else (assuming there is no passive SP set on any character) set your passive SP now.
Walls of text do put some people off, but its more likely most will just skip it, and this can be to the detriment of later enjoyment.
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:11:00 -
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Zalifer Esepula wrote:I don't need people who are put off by words playing my games. Elitist or not, if a person is "put off" by a few blocks of text, I don't really care to associate with them, and they will not really be missed.
I know that this game needs players to be successful, but as far as I am aware, there should be enough literate people in the world to fill the game.
The literate people have better games to play.
But I guess we will see how this turns out. CCP of course can make the tutorial less text-intensive and soften the learning curve to alleviate the problem. Let's just hope they won't be too late with that. |
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:27:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:[quote=Zalifer Esepula] The literate people have better games to play.
But I guess we will see how this turns out. CCP of course can make the tutorial less text-intensive and soften the learning curve to alleviate the problem. Let's just hope they won't be too late with that.
Maybe CCP can make you pictures?
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:42:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:[quote=Zalifer Esepula] The literate people have better games to play.
But I guess we will see how this turns out. CCP of course can make the tutorial less text-intensive and soften the learning curve to alleviate the problem. Let's just hope they won't be too late with that. Maybe CCP can make you pictures?
More elitism. Great! Keep up the work and as I said, let's see how it turns out. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4295
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:46:00 -
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Inst X'3 pilots manual longer than an actual fighter jet's pilot's manual?
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El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:53:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:
More elitism. Great! Keep up the work and as I said, let's see how it turns out.
It's funny and sad at the same time that defending a couple of paragraphs in a video game is considered "elitist." If you want to know the future of this country watch "idiocracy." |
Lister
Galactic Shipyards Inc
14
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Posted - 2013.02.03 09:00:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:
More elitism. Great! Keep up the work and as I said, let's see how it turns out.
It's funny and sad at the same time that defending a couple of paragraphs in a video game is considered "elitist." If you want to know the future of this country watch "idiocracy."
Great film - I would say we are almost there. |
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:19:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:
More elitism. Great! Keep up the work and as I said, let's see how it turns out.
It's funny and sad at the same time that defending a couple of paragraphs in a video game is considered "elitist." If you want to know the future of this country watch "idiocracy."
You should know, as a probably Interwebz-literate person, that the definition of elitisim in video games differs a bit from the "real world".
Lifting yourself on a pedestal regarding a videogame (or an aspect of) is considered "elitism". Thus a clause such as "If you don't want to read walls of text, go play something else" is also considered "elitism", as it suggests that a certain demographic is not suited to play the game, instead of suggesting that the game should offer an alternative to allow the certain demographic to enjoy it.
Frankly, I'm still at loss what is the demographic CCP is aiming for with DUST 514. So far it seems that by far the most interest comes from current EVE players, which was exactly what CCP claimed they didn't want to address. |
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Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
447
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:32:00 -
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For ease of access, the rest of this post will be in audio. If you can not hear it, you are not close enough to the source. |
Scorpyn
The Providers Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:07:00 -
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He does have a point. If you get text presented to you, it may be important, so you read it. If it takes too long to get to the action, you may lose interest on the way, whether you'd like the game once you actually tried it or not.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make the initial pop ups shorter, with a "press triangle for detailed help" text or similar. |
Meridius
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:45:00 -
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Scorpyn wrote:He does have a point. If you get text presented to you, it may be important, so you read it. If it takes too long to get to the action, you may lose interest on the way, whether you'd like the game once you actually tried it or not.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make the initial pop ups shorter, with a "press triangle for detailed help" text or similar.
Good approach and thanks for understanding the concern I brought up.
For others what would you think another approach to this possible wall-of-text tutorial pop-ups? |
Korgoroth
Suboc Industries Infinite Aggression
0
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:08:00 -
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Beta |
duckmonster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:52:00 -
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Meridius
Viziam Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:50:00 -
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And because it's beta, it means we stay quite and not mention anything because it 's guaranteed to change without us saying anything, right? ... lol some people.
This is pure discussion and meant to be constructive. This is a true problem and has been communicated by many others. |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
447
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:23:00 -
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Meridius wrote:And because it's beta, it means we stay quite and not mention anything because it 's guaranteed to change without us saying anything, right? ... lol some people. This is pure discussion and meant to be constructive. This is a true problem and has been communicated by many others.
Then ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=730 |
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