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CDLPeacemaker	Posted - 2005.07.06 03:46:00 - [1] Dear CCP, I would like to inform you that a number of your customers are not happy with the changes you have made to the game that many of us have spent so much time and money on. We spent countless days and months training skills to beable to do those level 4 agent missions. Building standings, making money, getting our ships kitted out for the best way against our enemy. And then. You take it all away from us. You make the thing that we have done for months now unable to be profitable. I dont care who you are, doing Level 4 agent missions with more than one person with the new bounties is not worth the time, risk, or isk. You dont even get any loot anymore. This is what we say to you CCP. We pay to play. We pay to play how we want to play. Not to have some way of play cramed up our you know what. Stop forcing people to play the game how you want it. Let them play how they want to. If players want to build SP and money in empire and not PVP so be it. Let them do it. They are putting money into the economy. The level 4 agent missions were fine. Yes they made a little too much cash... but you know what?? A player in 0.0 can do the SAME EXACT THING. Go to a god damn asteroid belt and there at least .5mil in bounties. Ive personaly found good chainable spawns... dual warlords... and chained them for hours on end. Dual warlords are 1million isk bounties and GASP drop battleship loot. You can easily kill 8 - 14 of them in an hour if you get lucky. thats 8 - 14million an hour not including cruisers and loot. CCP I want to be an Agent mission *****. I want to solo a level 4 and make a decent profit without having to split it with other people. Im going to do the most profitable thing I can do which right now is mine. And I dont like mining. So Ill prolly quit. I have 14million SP. I could PVP right now but I dont. I dont WANT to with this character. Its why I have alternate accounts. I fight with alts. Bring back the old Level 4s and decrease some of the bounties. There was NO reason to take them away.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:11:00 - [2] I pay to and I'm happy. Guess that cancels you out. The ISK in missions was ridiculous. You can still solo them (with skills)
Baron Tane	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Deja Thoris I pay to and I'm happy. Guess that cancels you out. pwnd
Xardrix	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:29:00 - [4] /emote takes out his violin Then quit and stop distracting me from the grownup posts. Amarr Loyalist and Patriot
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:30:00 - [5] Quote: This is what we say to you CCP. We pay to play. We pay to play how we want to play. Not to have some way of play cramed up our you know what. Stop forcing people to play the game how you want it. Ugh, I'm sorry, but it's their game. CCP can do exactly that - tell you how to play. If not them, then who the hell could? Of course, you're free to complain about it and ask CCP to change it, but don't start acting like EVE is a communist simulator, it isn't. --- I'm going to kill you in the face!
mrg29	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:32:00 - [6] i'm a lvl4 mission runner and i'm happy with the changes. without change a game gets boring and thats a bigger risk to keeping paying customers. lvl4s are still manageable and ok for not as much money per hour as before - but so what - u can still make more than enough money to buy whatever u need. and as for your comment about no loot - i've actually noticed slightly better loot today. i'm having fun trying to adapt setups and play around to find ways to do the different mission types and with the added content of extra complexes and COSMOS there is more than enough in game than just running lvl4s and watching your wallet grow. u dont win any prizes for having the biggest wallet. try to look at game from a wider perspective - i have as much enjoyment if not more from running 4/10 complexes in my HAC than i do from making 30 mill from an angel extravaganza.
Blitzkrieg	Posted - 2005.07.06 04:34:00 - [7] The isk mining afk crokite-bistot-arko is RIDICULOUS! All you need is to find a cruiser spawn, put on your armor rep, switch on your miners and your in business (can make 5 times amount L4 will do). Call that difficult or hard gained isk? Not compared to some of L4 mission. And, no, you can't do l4 afk in a raven, it does take some skills and strategy. I still don't understand why players are so upset at L4 mission runners? Well you sure did a good job at lobbying and begging for the nerf bat to swing. If your real concern was inflation then you better do something about 0.0 mining and other loopholes. PVE players will leave the game if PVP isn't their cup of tea, and no one should be forced to group or to pvp...
Sadist	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:05:00 - [8] Dear CDLPeacemaker(god forbid to have a pronounceable nickname?), I'm very low on money, but you know what? I don't even want your stuff. --------------- Originally by: Dark Shikari "One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Blitzkrieg The isk mining afk crokite-bistot-arko is RIDICULOUS! All you need is to find a cruiser spawn, put on your armor rep, switch on your miners and your in business (can make 5 times amount L4 will do). Call that difficult or hard gained isk? Not compared to some of L4 mission. And, no, you can't do l4 afk in a raven, it does take some skills and strategy. I still don't understand why players are so upset at L4 mission runners? Well you sure did a good job at lobbying and begging for the nerf bat to swing. If your real concern was inflation then you better do something about 0.0 mining and other loopholes. PVE players will leave the game if PVP isn't their cup of tea, and no one should be forced to group or to pvp... And while you're AFK mining bist/ark someone can warp in on top of you and kill you easily without any repercussions. And level 4 missions don't (did not?) require any skill or strategy. And you made more doing level 4 missions than you ever did mining ark, believe me. Maybe you don't NOW, but what did you expect, you're in EMPIRE! --- I'm going to kill you in the face!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Blitzkrieg The isk mining afk crokite-bistot-arko is RIDICULOUS! All you need is to find a cruiser spawn, put on your armor rep, switch on your miners and your in business (can make 5 times amount L4 will do). Call that difficult or hard gained isk? Not compared to some of L4 mission. And, no, you can't do l4 afk in a raven, it does take some skills and strategy. I still don't understand why players are so upset at L4 mission runners? Well you sure did a good job at lobbying and begging for the nerf bat to swing. If your real concern was inflation then you better do something about 0.0 mining and other loopholes. PVE players will leave the game if PVP isn't their cup of tea, and no one should be forced to group or to pvp... You have one minute till your hold fills up. How do you afk this exactly?
Blitzkrieg	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: Blitzkrieg The isk mining afk crokite-bistot-arko is RIDICULOUS! All you need is to find a cruiser spawn, put on your armor rep, switch on your miners and your in business (can make 5 times amount L4 will do). Call that difficult or hard gained isk? Not compared to some of L4 mission. And, no, you can't do l4 afk in a raven, it does take some skills and strategy. I still don't understand why players are so upset at L4 mission runners? Well you sure did a good job at lobbying and begging for the nerf bat to swing. If your real concern was inflation then you better do something about 0.0 mining and other loopholes. PVE players will leave the game if PVP isn't their cup of tea, and no one should be forced to group or to pvp... And while you're AFK mining bist/ark someone can warp in on top of you and kill you easily without any repercussions. And level 4 missions don't (did not?) require any skill or strategy. And you made more doing level 4 missions than you ever did mining ark, believe me. Maybe you don't NOW, but what did you expect, you're in EMPIRE! I made 120mil mining crokite in about 5hrs (2apocs) and yes you keep an eye on local and do the very skill intensive, strategic left and hold click into cargo hold every minute I made much more mining high ends, if you have access to crokite fields, you would know that it is more profitable and less risky but less fun Wrong I was doing L4 in WY9 (Fountain) for Angels... Right now I am in Empire helping a new corp (no bearing in actual post). Still think L4 missions were an acceptable way for players to have fun and do something solo in Empire, guess they'll go back to mining Veld. This doesn't concern me since i can fly apoc-raven or temp w/ max gunnery and can still do L4 w/ relative ease, but I simply don't think it is fair to the new players to change so drastically a very important and fun aspect of the game. This patch has nerfed our new players and it could have been avoided.
Blitzkrieg	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Blitzkrieg The isk mining afk crokite-bistot-arko is RIDICULOUS! All you need is to find a cruiser spawn, put on your armor rep, switch on your miners and your in business (can make 5 times amount L4 will do). Call that difficult or hard gained isk? Not compared to some of L4 mission. And, no, you can't do l4 afk in a raven, it does take some skills and strategy. I still don't understand why players are so upset at L4 mission runners? Well you sure did a good job at lobbying and begging for the nerf bat to swing. If your real concern was inflation then you better do something about 0.0 mining and other loopholes. PVE players will leave the game if PVP isn't their cup of tea, and no one should be forced to group or to pvp... You have one minute till your hold fills up. How do you afk this exactly? I don't but your mind does tend to go into an afk mode, not very healthy...carebearing isn't good for yer intelect, trust me
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:49:00 - [13] If you're looking on local then you aren't AFK. 120 mil in 5 hours - is this including the time it took to fly your ark-laden indy through unsecure space to a station to reprocess? Is it including the time you spent carrying it to empire through a chokepoint? Etc, etc. Last I heard, pirate level 4 missions weren't nerfed. _________ I'm going to kill you in the face!
DarK	Posted - 2005.07.06 05:52:00 - [14] Can I have your stuff??
Blitzkrieg	Posted - 2005.07.06 06:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Nero Scuro If you're looking on local then you aren't AFK. 120 mil in 5 hours - is this including the time it took to fly your ark-laden indy through unsecure space to a station to reprocess? Is it including the time you spent carrying it to empire through a chokepoint? Etc, etc. Last I heard, pirate level 4 missions weren't nerfed. Can't live in 0.0 without having your local window pinned right in front of you, have your ship facing your ss and having your military chat up that's a way of life but I find it much easier-boring then warping in a swarm of cruisers-frigs and bs (L4 sabotage-vengeance missions almost give me same adrelanine rush as pvp fights). We had a POS in system, or refine station 4 jumps out. Mining in 0.0 is like l4, it is about being prepared and organised, this said you can't make that kind of isk (high end mining) if you aren't part of an alliance or you'll get shot presto by patrols or gankers. Bounties were nerfed on some Boss, faction module drops removed, most missions are 3-5jumps out, need more skills ammo for raven...it could have been introduced progressivly
Avarice Pahl	Posted - 2005.07.06 06:41:00 - [16] Everyone who likes these missile nerfs imparticular like them because #1 they use guns and #2 they hate the idea of people making more money than them in some fashion. I'm a new player, barely a month into the game and I'm currently in a caracal w/ rank 3 missile skills. I came into the game today to find that level 2 missions that were cake can now get me killed, at least the level 2 vs 3 blackbird mission where you warp in at 5k. That mission in a caracal required me to run and keep shield booster going until 1 of the 3 blackbirds were destroyed, now that mission will get me killed because I'll be out of cap before I can take one down and their damage will reign down upon me. On top of missile changes there is the target painter nerf, which is worthless now w/ missiles. Yes it worked with missiles before, contrary to popular belief. Now it doesn't seem to work at all. Webbing is a common rant today, use webbers they say, but you need to get close and if you get close to a gunner in a missile boat you are toast. I can stomach taking some damage vs frigs but that one missions vs blackbirds is now rediculous and I can just imagine the horrors that await me in level 3 missions when I try to go into them using only missiles. I've been told "deal with it", "get over it", and "train gunnery!" This isn't helping, I'm going to get the new missile skills up to rank 3 and try to get my heavy missile skill to 4 and if the damage doesn't return with these skills I might as well start a new character or quit altogether. In fact I could make a new character right now w/ a focus on gunnery and do more damage than I currently can with missiles. It's pretty sad. So cheer because players can't make a billion isk a week in their raven, but remember there are new players who focused entirely on missiles and have got the worst end of the deal. Between missile nerfs and painter nerfs the early missile boats are completely worthless, and players like me are screwed. -Avarice-
mOrdi	Posted - 2005.07.06 07:19:00 - [17] k since we all "whineing" as someone said ...heres mine looks like your gonna be losin a fair few new players with this mess tbh and after training hard a megathron for the last 6 months i was ready to solo lv4s now but with this "exciting content patch" us new guys are basically screwed and, its either mine trade again (sigh) faff about on easy lv 3s the gap between 3's and 4's isk payout was far too much and the missile nerf was greatly needed but increasin the diffulculty of lv4s is a bit off ,(and sigh ...yes i dont wanna hear the go to low sec ..do pvp..inflation guff) so now whats a new guy to do ..i dont wanna do any of the above again, dull and pointless in rewards and time ...been there did loads of that was finally lookin forward to testing and honing my skills on lv4s for the next 2 months and then join the 0.0 posse, (and like many im not prepared to go there untill i am ready skill wise to at least defend myself from old skool gankers who like nice easy kills) so stuck in emipire still ..with bog all to do...gg
Gothan	Posted - 2005.07.06 07:35:00 - [18] Originally by: mOrdi k since we all "whineing" as someone said ...heres mine looks like your gonna be losin a fair few new players with this mess tbh and after training hard a megathron for the last 6 months i was ready to solo lv4s now but with this "exciting content patch" us new guys are basically screwed and, its either mine trade again (sigh) faff about on easy lv 3s the gap between 3's and 4's isk payout was far too much and the missile nerf was greatly needed but increasin the diffulculty of lv4s is a bit off ,(and sigh ...yes i dont wanna hear the go to low sec ..do pvp..inflation guff) so now whats a new guy to do ..i dont wanna do any of the above again, dull and pointless in rewards and time ...been there did loads of that was finally lookin forward to testing and honing my skills on lv4s for the next 2 months and then join the 0.0 posse, (and like many im not prepared to go there untill i am ready skill wise to at least defend myself from old skool gankers who like nice easy kills) so stuck in emipire still ..with bog all to do...gg Going into 0.0 with a battleship is the stupidist idea ever. Get a feel in frigs. Hell, I RARELY fly battleships into 0.0 for the primary reason that unless you have an alliance out there, your SOL. Waiting till you have a battleship to enter 0.0 (even highly skilled up) is not smart. First off, you dont have a feel for 0.0. Build skills in dispensable ships like intys and AF and frigs nad the like before anything else.
mOrdi	Posted - 2005.07.06 07:52:00 - [19] Edited by: mOrdi on 06/07/2005 07:53:24 Edited by: mOrdi on 06/07/2005 07:52:48 Originally by: Gothan Going into 0.0 with a battleship is the stupidist idea ever. Get a feel in frigs. Hell, I RARELY fly battleships into 0.0 for the primary reason that unless you have an alliance out there, your SOL. Waiting till you have a battleship to enter 0.0 (even highly skilled up) is not smart. First off, you dont have a feel for 0.0. Build skills in dispensable ships like intys and AF and frigs nad the like before anything else.[/quote oh i know m8...i wasnt planning to use a bs in o.o...now that id managed to max the megas stats and guns missiles, sheilds etc to make it useful id just started on learning assult frigs... just what im sayin here is it takes time to train and time to make them really any use defence and damage wise...just have to go back to dull level 3s now and wait longer...either that or heaven forbid mine
Chuck Sausage	Posted - 2005.07.06 09:10:00 - [20] Originally by: mOrdi after training hard a megathron for the last 6 months i was ready to solo lv4s now but with this "exciting content patch" us new guys are basically screwed and, its either mine trade again (sigh) faff about on easy lv 3s Guess what the "MM" in "MMORPG" stands for? Get some friends.

Zrakor	Posted - 2005.07.06 09:23:00 - [21] Is this due to the missile changes only, or the added difficulty of a few of the level 4 missions? Only a few of them were made harder, most are the same as they were pre-patch. If you name the missions you are most unsatisfied with, I will take a look at them.

Attiladehun	Posted - 2005.07.06 09:36:00 - [22] not every 0.0 system has 1M npc spawns like syndicate the only thing you see there is 750k if ya lucky and 500k else cruiser spawns, this totally doesn't compare to lvl4 missions. Maybe after patch this increases in 0.0 but i have no idea, so lvl4 is still better then 0.0 pre-patch, now i'm not sure but i don't see much difference in my npcing systems
Michael Pratt	Posted - 2005.07.06 09:40:00 - [23] Quote: [I made 120mil mining crokite in about 5hrs (2apocs) and yes you keep an eye on local and do the very skill intensive, strategic left and hold click into cargo hold every minute Crokite was (and still is) the single most expensive Ore (after Mercoxit ofc) you can mine due to the ridiculous Zyd prices. Also, while you do keep an eye on local, you still have to haul the stupid ore a couple of jumps to a refinery and then sell it in Empire. And what do you do if a hostile enters system? Right, you safespot and hope him not to kill your jetcans. Also, 120m in 5 hours with 2 apocs is pretty poor compared to lvl missions. That's 12 mil an hour per person. Man, when I was abusing lvl 4 in a Raven I made ~50m an hour on bad days. Quote: I made much more mining high ends, if you have access to crokite fields, you would know that it is more profitable and less risky but less fun Simply not true. Assuming you mine Mercoxit with t2 DCM and t2 Mercoxit Crystals and then refine for 100% you mine about 60m an hour. Quote: Wrong I was doing L4 in WY9 (Fountain) for Angels... Of course. 0.0 missions give no bounty which is like 70% of your income. You will however find that with the new LP system you can harvest 1-2 +3 implants a day which sell for 45m each. Quote: This doesn't concern me since i can fly apoc-raven or temp w/ max gunnery and can still do L4 w/ relative ease, but I simply don't think it is fair to the new players to change so drastically a very important and fun aspect of the game. A big positive whole point of this change is that one actually needs to train some skills and have some experience to do the highest level empire contect available. Before any nweb could train up for Raven + Torp in about, say, 4-5 weeks and get insta-rich in lvl spawns. Quote: This patch has nerfed our new players and it could have been avoided. This patch has finally brought missiles down to where they should be. Missiles have been THE weapon of choice since this game's release. First we had cruise missile firing Kestrels, then when that was changed the Caldari ship[s got their bonuses. Kestrels for lvl 2, Caracals for lvl 3 and Ravens for lvl 4 was the norm. New players can STILL be effective with missiles without a lot of training. Please, these skills are rank 1/2 and trained to 3 they're quite good. This new content update was supposed to be a bone for ALLIANCE players, 0.0 dwellers. Not empire solo-ers. You guys have had your patch with Exodus. Now it's our turn.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.06 10:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Zrakor Is this due to the missile changes only, or the added difficulty of a few of the level 4 missions? Only a few of them were made harder, most are the same as they were pre-patch. If you name the missions you are most unsatisfied with, I will take a look at them. I've done a few. I found the last spawn of vengeance a bit tough. Three "elder" (or whatever they are called) battleships and the named guy. It used to be a bit less taxing. Of course I was too lazy to fit the correct hardners To be honest the biggest problem with that mission is the overview seems bugged. I saw it before the patch and again. 2 megathrons showed up as 55km away on my overview. They were less than 10km away giving me some loving in reality Closing the overview and opening it fixed the values. I'm not sure if that is something you look at or you colleauges tho.
mOOshu	Posted - 2005.07.06 10:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Chuck Sausage Guess what the "MM" in "MMORPG" stands for? Get some friends. usless reply hey guess what? i have many im talkin about when they are either too far , busy with own stuff or simply on for an hour for a quick blast
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2005.07.06 11:00:00 - [26] yawn So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2005.07.06 11:16:00 - [27] Really, Nobody cares....another thread about missiel nerfs..... ------------------------------------------- 05.05.05 16:22 [Notify} Combat Your Mega pulse Laser 2 strikes bunny, wrecking for 983.2 dmg . ... <<< Now Bunny is made of ash >:D ..
Zenst	Posted - 2005.07.06 11:19:00 - [28] Nice patch nice work CCP and I'll keep paying. hopefully original poster wont so can i have his stuff pls :D. AS for all you poor lickle raven mission peeps - HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, welcome to the real world :P
Karol Kei	Posted - 2005.07.06 11:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Karol Kei on 06/07/2005 11:34:54 I wouldn't be too worried. Finding new load outs and adapting is fun. More fun than mindless grinding. People will keep paying.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.07.06 12:03:00 - [30] @ Thread starter Adapt or die http://eve.klaki.net/

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