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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:41:00 -
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I wrote a little handbook on basic PvP strategy to try and help the eve community get out of it's old blobbing ways. It turns out that many of the tips and ideas contained in it are already being used. I've told fellow directors and CEOs about them for sometime now and when m3g4 melted so to say, I decided to let the community have a good taste of everything I was thinking. I spent a good amount of time on it, but not enough to make it perfect so excuse some of the areas where I don't really explain some things I say. I tried not to put so much detail into it as to give away some trade corp secrets of some of the corps I've been in in the past. So...
Keep in mind I've started this from the ashes of the old M0o PvP document made by vegeta and some other guy. I didn't agree with alot of what was in it, mainly cause so much has changed so I was inspired to create something that would be sortof like an eve-general PvP wiki. I've saved it in a rich text format so that you get some basic formatting options and anyone can edit it with any common text editor. If you do change it however, it would be nice if you left urls at the bottom of the work it was based on as to keep it archivable as you'll see explained in the document....
Enjoy!
Eve-PvP_1.0
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:00:00 -
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Oh yeah, if this thing catches, I suggest a move to sticky... but that's me.
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:11:00 -
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What can I say......awesome guide
/emote (grrrrrr) thinks its Sticky time
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/07/2005 09:37:57
Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/07/2005 09:36:43
Currently more likely to get a lock and delete as it breaches the user agreement, rather then a sticky, might want to take the swearing out.
Personal I cant take any document with swearing and THIS IS STUPID in caps type comments however there is some very good info in places.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 06/07/2005 10:19:06
right... got that swearing out of there... at least I think I did... better go read the thing again to make sure.. anyway, if there's something I missed uhh evemail me about it? I donno. I think I got the major stuff.
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:16:00 -
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Heh just about to mail you about that, well as far as I could see there were only two words.
Great guide.
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Tawl
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:25:00 -
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brilliant guide to us newbies.... good work
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Deja Thoris on 06/07/2005 11:12:47
Thats a really excellent guide.
Very nice work -
Stickeh meh now pls \o/
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:30:00 -
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good job Pox!
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:51:00 -
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This deserves a sticky. Really good and worth reading.
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TZeer
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:48:00 -
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Sticky
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.07.06 16:03:00 -
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nice: evemail mods requesting sticky :)
Im too lazy to do it 
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diseased
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Posted - 2005.07.06 21:59:00 -
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Nice I like it... Long but I like it |
ms altie
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Posted - 2005.07.07 23:29:00 -
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Right on, pretty good guide. And that's comming from someone that really abhores the author... on a personal level. |
Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.07.07 23:56:00 -
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how do i open a .rtf file? =/
My Sig:
 Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: TheKiller8
Uh what's stopping you from fitting expanders on a freighter?
No slots?
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.07.08 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Heh just about to mail you about that, well as far as I could see there were only two words.
Great guide.
Santiago Cortes can we get just a main "Guide" sticky topic with all the guide links in there. Either directing to the original topic or to a file like this one. So we wont have a big cluster of stickys. Just an idea =)
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.08 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2
how do i open a .rtf file? =/
i opened it up with wordpad, but im sure you can probly use just about any text document reader
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.08 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Santiago Cortes can we get just a main "Guide" sticky topic with all the guide links in there. Either directing to the original topic or to a file like this one. So we wont have a big cluster of stickys. Just an idea =)
W3rd! Better yet what about a whole topic devoted to "guides". If this discussion would fit better somewhere else I vote it be moved.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.07.08 07:46:00 -
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You have done this without consulting me or Paddyman, the creators of the original guide. You do know that copying our guide and adding to it is illegal?
I am currently in the (long) process of bringing the original guide up to date, this is not well seen.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
You have done this without consulting me or Paddyman, the creators of the original guide. You do know that copying our guide and adding to it is illegal?
I am currently in the (long) process of bringing the original guide up to date, this is not well seen.
If this is indeed true that you wrote the original guide and his work is a derivative of that guide, then yes.
He has not even left any credits to you guys. Plus I must say that this guide is not good on a few good reasons.
The text is not structured, there's a lot of use of "..." a little here and there which makes the text look unprofessional.
The content may be good, but please make it easier to read.
http://www.eve-pirate.com
Headlines: EVE-PIRATE.COM - DOES CONDONE THIS PATCH! W00tah.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
You have done this without consulting me or Paddyman, the creators of the original guide. You do know that copying our guide and adding to it is illegal?
I am currently in the (long) process of bringing the original guide up to date, this is not well seen.
Don't be so arrogent, it makes you sound like a kid. And quit trying to make this a flame thread. I meant to imply that I was inspired by your work. I didn't take or copy ANYTHING from it. I didn't quote statistics from it. That's like saying every author who decidesto write about apes has to contact every author before him who wrote about apes, regardless of whether or not he's even read thier works... and quote them.
Plus, I'm pretty sure you didn't take the spend time or money to copyright your work. So legally I could have copied the entire thing and taken all the credit for it. Then, the only thing I would have lost would have been integrity.
Lastly, I really doubt you're deticated enough to update the your guide. It took be about 4 hours to write this thing. If you're having that much trouble adapting the original text I suggest you just start over.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ander
Plus I must say that this guide is not good on a few good reasons.
The text is not structured, there's a lot of use of "..." a little here and there which makes the text look unprofessional.
The content may be good, but please make it easier to read.
First, no it's not a derivative work. The key word in my post is "inspired". In fact the last time I read that guide was about a week after it was posted. My memory isn't good enough to steal from something I read that long ago.
Second, I'm sorry you're having trouble reading it. You mention how it should look professional, and I agree, but I'm afraid your out of luck. I didn't spend enough time on it to make it look and read like a book. However, I designed it so that it could be changed or re-written in any way. That was the ultimate goal. They don't have wikis on eve's website, although I think they should, so I decided to save it in a format that would be pretty easy to edit, and would alow more text than the forums. So, if it really bothers you or if you'd like to add something, feel free to change it. The only thing I asked is that you leave a URL back to this work, or any work you might have based it on. Not because it's illegal not to, but simply to have some kind of living archive. Programmers do it with programs like CVS, wiki writers do it (which is essentially what the idea here is), that's all I ask of any potiental writer/changer.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:20:00 -
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Some people got to much time on their hands.
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Sewell
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: Vegeta
Plus, I'm pretty sure you didn't take the spend time or money to copyright your work. So legally I could have copied the entire thing and taken all the credit for it. Then, the only thing I would have lost would have been integrity.
/Lawyer mode on
There is no need to formally apply for copyright anywhere - you earn copyright to everything you write the moment you write it. Thus there are absolutly no costs concerned with aquireing copyright, even if money might be an issue when defending said right...
As a side note, the (c) symbol doesn't have any value either anymore; it is more of "warning sign" that someone claims copyright to a work - It is however not requierd for copyright to exist.
That beeing said, you have the right to quote another person, but when doing so you should specify the part beeing quoted and state who you are quoting.
And as to where the border goes between infringing on someone elses copyright, or just beeing inspierd by their work, that's something that usually has to be decided in court...
/Lawyer mode off
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Malikon
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:51:00 -
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wouldn't you have to prove that you wrote yours first? granted it may have been published on the net after yours was published but does that establish that anything was taken from yours. if anything it seems he might be able to also argue that you might have taken from his guide if the dates the works were penned (not published) could not be verified.
**Like the skinny women on Ally Mcbeal mode off**
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.09 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 09/07/2005 00:51:00
Originally by: Sewell
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: Vegeta
Plus, I'm pretty sure you didn't take the spend time or money to copyright your work. So legally I could have copied the entire thing and taken all the credit for it. Then, the only thing I would have lost would have been integrity.
/Lawyer mode on
There is no need to formally apply for copyright anywhere - you earn copyright to everything you write the moment you write it. Thus there are absolutly no costs concerned with aquireing copyright, even if money might be an issue when defending said right...
As a side note, the (c) symbol doesn't have any value either anymore; it is more of "warning sign" that someone claims copyright to a work - It is however not requierd for copyright to exist.
That beeing said, you have the right to quote another person, but when doing so you should specify the part beeing quoted and state who you are quoting.
And as to where the border goes between infringing on someone elses copyright, or just beeing inspierd by their work, that's something that usually has to be decided in court...
/Lawyer mode off
So sue me. It's hard to defend copyright in court without getting something formally copyrighted. And if he didn't have the time to do that, I doubt he'll take the time to get my real name, hire a lawyer, and take it to court.
Thank you sewell for the information.
Regardless of any legal problems I MIGHT have with vegeta and paddyman, they don't apply to this thread. It's about a PvP guide that should give some insight by providing general strategy and techniques. Again, if you have something to add or change you've been invited to LEGALLY do so, as I don't plan on taking anyone to court. But I might omgwtfbbqpwnz0r you in game. 
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.07.09 08:52:00 -
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I consider this a guide on it's own and the idea may have been brought up by someone else.
If more guides appear that are weroth mentioning I will create a combined sticky like the Merc corp where people can list what is discussed in their guide and a link to it.
Please keep the replies repspectful and bicker about copyright ingame.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.07.09 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
I consider this a guide on it's own and the idea may have been brought up by someone else.
If more guides appear that are weroth mentioning I will create a combined sticky like the Merc corp where people can list what is discussed in their guide and a link to it.
Please keep the replies repspectful and bicker about copyright ingame.
It's a pretty clear-cut case. He took the guide that Paddy and I worked hard to create, changed a few words and added a bit to it. Then changed the setup so it wouldn't look the same.
You support this?
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.07.09 11:34:00 -
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Dont you have to copyright it first?
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Iwanabe Aganker
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Posted - 2005.07.09 16:54:00 -
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Im a newb, i cant open it, i tried save as, and tried to open in explorer but got that typical "not found" message, and a bunch of spam at the bottom of my screen. Can someone contact me in Evemail for my yahoo mail and send me a text file of it?
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.07.10 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
You have done this without consulting me or Paddyman, the creators of the original guide. You do know that copying our guide and adding to it is illegal?
I am currently in the (long) process of bringing the original guide up to date, this is not well seen.
ive not really been arsed to look at this guide since you have to go through long ghey process instead of just clicking once.. lol.
But anyways if he did copy the guide thats lame.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.10 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
Dont you have to copyright it first?
Nope. You gain copyright on a piece of writing, by writing it.
You don't gain PROOF of copyright quite so easily, ofc. And asking people to keep copyright questions in-game is plain dumb, because it's illegal in the real world, not EVE.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.10 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 10/07/2005 07:46:21
Read the updated post. You decide. If you come up with a conclusion you'd like to talk about you know where to do it in the new Thread.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.07.10 12:02:00 -
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If people post offtopic the topic will be locked. Last time I ask both parties to contact me either ingame or mail me at [email protected]
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.07.10 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: juduzz on 10/07/2005 21:28:23
EDI: nm already been said
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.07.11 00:28:00 -
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If you're having trouble opening the rtf file. Try wordpad. Wordpad is included with windows. Other than that any major word processor should be good. Just save it somewhere and open it with one of those programs. I SHOULD be associated automatically with wordpad, you SHOULD be able to just open it from the web, but if that doesn't work save it and force it open in one of those wordprocessors.
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Rigsta
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Posted - 2005.07.15 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rigsta on 15/07/2005 00:35:57
Clicking that link results in Norton giving me a security alert. Judging from the odd behaviour of the page that loaded I've not got much reason to doubt the alert atm.
Either that or remove some slashes from the URL/path ;)
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Caeruleus Ardea
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Posted - 2005.07.16 18:16:00 -
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Excellent Guide. Thanks!
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zenquai
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Posted - 2005.08.02 01:06:00 -
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Further reading can be done here
Sun Tzu on the Art of War:
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html
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cXite
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:41:00 -
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pretty neat guide
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:50:00 -
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WOW all i can say is WOW since starting eve a few days ago ive been looking for a good PvP guide. Well done.
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xKillaH
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Posted - 2005.09.04 21:27:00 -
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really nice guides for newbies
wish u had done that before... when I started eve then it would be so much easier to learn :)
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Bret Caliaro
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Posted - 2005.09.05 02:17:00 -
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Really nice just skimmed through. Well thought out.
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SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:24:00 -
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one of the best giulds/posts ever Very good job
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SKyHelot
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Posted - 2005.09.20 09:00:00 -
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very useful. thanks for posting.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2005.09.23 18:36:00 -
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enough chanting: I miss the PvP aspect of the individual -all only about PvP Corp.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2005.09.23 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Da Death on 23/09/2005 18:36:12
Double post 
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Flumbert
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Posted - 2005.09.29 09:42:00 -
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nice post
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Maximus Krysdam
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Posted - 2005.10.14 02:00:00 -
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Exelent guide for the begininer PvPer. Recomending it to my corp .
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The Knight
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Posted - 2005.11.04 18:58:00 -
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Great guide, thanks.
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Vladmir Dracu
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Posted - 2005.11.09 23:25:00 -
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hello all, i have a raven an i would like advise on protecting my self from geting jump ,by 2 bs and a intersepter what is the first thing i do (except get the hell out )heheheh
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Vladmir Dracu
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Posted - 2005.11.09 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vladmir Dracu on 09/11/2005 23:38:21
Edited by: Vladmir Dracu on 09/11/2005 23:37:43
just wondering i know it kind ive inposable but i do like to win if i can i was think like jamming 2 ships take out the other but what do you think
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Necromancer D
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Necromancer D on 15/11/2005 19:56:38
Originally by: Slaveabuser
Some people got to much time on their hands.
Perhaps you should have taken the time read it before your battleship was sunk
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Ferrer
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Posted - 2005.11.23 09:58:00 -
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Thanks for the guide and all the great information. I put this on the EVEwiki and updated it so it's searchable.
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0CISCOKID0
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Posted - 2005.12.25 12:21:00 -
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Honors, Attrezzo Pox. This is a real guidebook for the ambitious corp CEO.
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Asphyxia Mortella
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Posted - 2005.12.28 11:35:00 -
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what can i say...
its awesome, its almost ...Zen and the art of PvP
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HeavenlyCreature
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Posted - 2005.12.28 14:33:00 -
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Awesome, very informative.
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Sylvester McDougal
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:23:00 -
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Blood101
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Posted - 2006.02.20 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Blood101 on 20/02/2006 16:16:11
i saved link, opened it in notepad, saved as a .htm file, and opened it in my browser.
very easy to read.
*edit*
forgot to say, very awesome guide btw.
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Ledshot
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:38:00 -
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An Excellent post. Very informative with some really usefull material fur us noobs to get our teeth into!
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Jin Masaru
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:13:00 -
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Great guide man, thanks.
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Sasham
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Posted - 2006.03.31 09:43:00 -
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Is it broken? It just says move on... for me.
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K'reemy G'udness
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Posted - 2006.04.24 17:09:00 -
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Why didn't you save the file as an .rtf file instead of text? it's not a text document, it's a rich text document. Or, since this is the InterWeb, why not just save it as html?
It might be a great guide, but you're gimping the number of readers by obsfucation.
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Allison Hess
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Posted - 2006.04.25 22:44:00 -
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Kimmie likes.
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Sorian Lore
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:01:00 -
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what are POSes?
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Maxell Snow
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Posted - 2006.04.29 14:44:00 -
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any updates since the last major patch? are any needed? Excellent read so far...thanks for the work.
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Andrew Fox
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Posted - 2006.04.30 20:36:00 -
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thxs
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:15:00 -
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Made a link to this sticky.
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