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Zarks
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Posted - 2005.07.06 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zarks on 06/07/2005 12:53:49
What is happening to these? Thought they would enter the game when the tech II launchers did.
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Krolas
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Posted - 2005.07.06 12:56:00 -
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*sigh* I¦d give my firstborn son for some of these mods
Krolas
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Khaine Duaquin
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:08:00 -
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realy krolas ^^
WTB: BCS II ^^
i wann have krolas firstborn hrhr
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darmoth
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:11:00 -
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correct me if i am wrong these are same as any t2 item. is a long process to get them in game.
1. you have to be in the t2 bpo lottery.
2. agent has to award out the bpo.
3 winning player has to spend weeks researching said bpo.
4. winning player then gets rich selling finished item and bpc to us.
5. 6 weeks from now everyone has t2 ballistic control systems.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:14:00 -
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They havent been released. at all. its not a question of the lottery. its a question of them not being in game.
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Rafe Waddo
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:17:00 -
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That's a good explanation darmoth, but according to the patchnotes BCS II aren't added to the research agent pool and thus no one will get the BPO for a while.
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Zarks
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:16:00 -
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any news?
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Roba
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:11:00 -
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CCP hates missile users. You all are suppose to go out and buy dread bcus.
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Plasmatique on 07/07/2005 17:13:48
BCU II petition = signed
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Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:26:00 -
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signed
We are the Collective. Resistance is futile.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:35:00 -
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Perhaps they wanted to see how the new skills would effect missles before they added them.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.07.07 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 07/07/2005 18:23:22
 Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Perhaps they wanted to see how the new skills would effect missles before they added them.
Perhaps. And if that is indeed the reason I can agree with that.
But considering this is a game played by people who do it for enjoyement, it would have somewhat cushioned the considerable kick in the nuts missile users got by being suddenly rendered noobs for 2-3 weeks, regardless of the fact it was necessary for the long-term health of the game.
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.07.08 07:48:00 -
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yeah I want my bcuII's
[homer]bcuII aaauuurrrrrggggggg[/homer]
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Mr Raine
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Posted - 2005.07.08 10:30:00 -
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i was screaming this in the missile changes thread by tom b, i hate to winge but how long have the turret ones been out,
PPLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSS GIVE ME T2 BCU,
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TomB
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Posted - 2005.07.08 10:56:00 -
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these will be coming in
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:01:00 -
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praise be the TomB! Hopefully very soon :)
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:52:00 -
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Perhaps they arent in yet because the devs realise that ravens were equally strong, possibly stronger then any other bs in the game even WITHOUT tech 2 equipment lol.
(Before you start, the recent missile boost hasnt helped matters...)
Yes i know there are more missile ships then ravens but if you totally unbalance one ship it heavily affects the game....
Of course making ravens so powerfull that they could use all tech 1 equip and still be equal in pvp strength to a fully tech 2 equipped bs was a pretty huge mistake in the first place....
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:01:00 -
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what we really need is BCUs that can share a slot witn a gyro2 but only on Minmatar ships ;)
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
Yay!
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 08/07/2005 13:03:20
Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
i love you TomB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday night? You free? My hangar or yours?
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:22:00 -
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He didn't say when. 
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.07.08 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
He didn't say when.
You know, all the devs have seemed a lot more fiesty since the patch.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.07.08 14:43:00 -
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Soon(tm)
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vishnej
Soon(tm)
Better than Never(tm) 
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
what we really need is BCUs that can share a slot witn a gyro2 but only on Minmatar ships ;)
Ballistic Gyrostabiling controls?
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
what we really need is BCUs that can share a slot witn a gyro2 but only on Minmatar ships ;)
u wish
We are the Collective. Resistance is futile.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:37:00 -
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Why not? Many Minie ships are just as missile oriented as projectille. how about something like, for the tech II version: +5% Projectille/Missile Damage/RoF (yes, 4x 5% bonus) and something like 3.5% for tech I version :)
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Robstr
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
what we really need is BCUs that can share a slot witn a gyro2 but only on Minmatar ships ;)
I agree, same fittigns ect. as other Damage mods, but it does 1/2 - 2/3 the mod of a normal one to each, missles and guns.
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2005.07.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roba
CCP hates missile users. You all are suppose to go out and buy dread bcus.
No, but they might have done a social experiment.
They will wait (<number of threads about how missiles suck by raven pilot started by alts> * 7) + (<number of signed only post in said threads>) as number of days till release of BC2.
Crossposting multiply by 2 any value!
So you can expect 3 months of waiting...
They have so many new skills to train already anyway in the meanwhile.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:52:00 -
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becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.07.08 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
hahaha, yeah right.
Why cant we have t2 dmg mods? You've seen how devistating the geddon can be
Shield tank is better today cos it fixes hp fast but has bad cap effiency so shield tankers survive well in todays 10seconds gank all u can battles.
Yeah about that u saying raven has alot of cpu; raven has alot cpu just like the apoc has alot pg.
We are the Collective. Resistance is futile.
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2005.07.08 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
Greaaat...and we can presume a tech2 variant of the shield booster amp also?
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.07.09 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Vishnej
Soon(tm)
Better than Never(tm)
both the above:
better then Kali(tm) 
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.07.09 04:24:00 -
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can we get a eta of the t2 bcu or am i just fantasizing?
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.07.09 07:11:00 -
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Hymm, 4-5 sec rof on 6 cruise launchers is gonna be sweet. Hit 80k away for 300+ a shot. It's like 300-400 DPS, my raven bretheren really need to stop complaining, the raven has come into it's golden age of anti-bs warfare.
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.07.09 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Morkoth on 09/07/2005 07:19:47
Originally by: Boonaki
Hymm, 4-5 sec rof on 6 cruise launchers is gonna be sweet. Hit 80k away for 300+ a shot. It's like 300-400 DPS, my raven bretheren really need to stop complaining, the raven has come into it's golden age of anti-bs warfare.
ssssshhh!!! i don't want tomb hearing about that so it won't get nerfed
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Zarks
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Posted - 2005.07.18 17:26:00 -
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any more news on this?
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Perhaps they wanted to see how the new skills would effect missles before they added them.
In which case they could forget about tech II BCS and immediately release tech VIII
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:23:00 -
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don't forget to whine about missile implants too
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Talmssar
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Posted - 2005.07.19 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Talmssar on 19/07/2005 11:15:11
Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
Soon (tm)? Anyway, TII BCU, Implants for missiles, TII lauchers, TII & faction missiles... That is all what we need to get even close line to turret users. One issue about BCU II, TI named tend to use more cpu instead less wich is common on other named units. So is TII BCU using less CPU? I just would like to get edge over turret users in some releases for TII. Allso TII (for passive tanks [caldari:P]) med and low slot shield recharge items. - "Whoops" by CCP
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Zarks
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:17:00 -
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any time soon?
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:25:00 -
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Zarks - The Ever Hopeful.
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Krolas
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Posted - 2005.08.25 10:01:00 -
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Any news about these modules??
Krolas
seems to me that the server is up and down more often than the damsel's knickers in that brothel
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.08.25 11:44:00 -
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Riiight, we want these :)
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.08.25 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
Like saying "the world will end", or "your lottery numbers will come up". Without a WHEN, it's pointless.
Any hope of us ever getting any medium slot mods as well, to allow us more setup variation? "Equivalents" to tracking comps for example?
And yes, I WILL whinge about implants...a set of hardwirings for missiles wouldn't go amiss.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.08.25 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
Riiight, we want these :)
i was thinking more along the lines of "need"
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The Shamen
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Posted - 2005.08.25 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Perhaps they wanted to see how the new skills would effect missles before they added them.
Correct.
Omfg.
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Belshamarothx
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Posted - 2005.08.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: The Shamen
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Perhaps they wanted to see how the new skills would effect missles before they added them.
Correct.
Ermm.. The whole premise of Concept -> Development -> Testing -> Implementation means that the intended effect of the new skills should in theory already have been known.
Following from this the next step is evaluation of whether the Implementation (going Live) of the adjustments + introduction of new skills has produced the intended effects. To this end note of the comments posted in these forums should have been taken, with clarification as to whether that was the intended effect - this has been lacking. The absence of official comment implies effects are as intended.
Further if the changes require additional modules to be added on the basis of the above path then the modules required should already have been anticipated and introduced at the same time and the overall effects evaluated as to whether as intended, otherwise the implication is that the aforestated premise of concept --> implementation was incomplete further highlighting the lack of any official response.
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.08.25 16:58:00 -
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Quote:
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
The T2 BCU's won't allow BS to kill as effectively as you state. Your forgetting Sig radius and speed factors. Frigs will still be laughing at Torps, and Cruise missles. and th BCU2 will be useless to Rockets as the % increases are negligible.
However it will make the BS missles more effective against BS and BC.
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Pistonbroke
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Posted - 2005.08.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
these will be coming in
\o/
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:40:00 -
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When? When? 
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Bane Lord
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Posted - 2005.09.01 00:50:00 -
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well to put this into prespective... TomB made that reply almost 2 months ago...
and you know what? They werent seeded last patch, and arent scheduled for the next one EITHER!
looks like CCP is giving us the runa'round... again.
i might have to start spamming petitions.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.09.01 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
why? aint is what exactly your gankageddons do ?, yall do over 5k damage in total includig all lassers per hit, and thats faster then torps can go. so it will be balanced
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.09.01 04:17:00 -
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Really, the waiting involved in this game. Its unbelievable. TomB,"these will be comming in." Thats great man, can I expect to finally get them in Q2 2006?
Please, get off your asses. We dont care about fanfaire, We dont care about Kali. DELIVER on the content promised ages ago.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.01 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
ROFLROFLROFL... give me a break. This is false I am sorry, turret users do way more DPS than a Raven.. or any other Caldari ship for that matter.
Why is CCP gimping missile users again?
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Darkside101
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Posted - 2005.09.01 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Darkside101 on 01/09/2005 15:52:20
Any word on missile implants while were here??
yarr
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
So Raven's weren't f3cked over good enough the first time for you? You want another lick at em?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.01 18:47:00 -
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why do they hate us so?
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
why do they hate us so?
You know all it would need would be someone (TomB) to come say, Caldari ships are like this because <excuse>, perhaps we should re-evaluate them.
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Bane Lord
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: HippoKing
why do they hate us so?
You know all it would need would be someone (TomB) to come say, Caldari ships are like this because <excuse>, perhaps we should re-evaluate them.
followed by a "We're working on it" and continuing to dodge the question for 4 months, then when people start to catch on, they'll release some half-assed poorly thought out 'fix' which will only exacerbate the problem...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: HippoKing
why do they hate us so?
You know all it would need would be someone (TomB) to come say, Caldari ships are like this because <excuse>, perhaps we should re-evaluate them.
it wont happen everytime i bring up caldari ships or anything in generally ridiculed by BH people and told how awesome caldari ships are at shooting at npcs from 140km away. ccp must design them for npc hunting and mission running i guess, woop..
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/09/2005 19:18:29
Quote:
becuase ravens will be too powerful with them pre patch even more so but even post missile balance vs battleships it will slaughter em just because the raven has ALOT of cpu so it can fit alot of bcu 2 and siege and still have a shild tank. I dont want to see ravens running around able to take down a bs in 1 volley and slaughter frigs still jsut ebcause of the insane damge.
I'm assuming you haven't flown a raven vs. a gankageddon before - until the last patch, the 'geddon just about always won.
Now, with the advent of tech 2 siege launchers, it's an even match - a raven with six tech 2 siege, a light midslot tank, and 4 BCUs (would be 5, but siege II's take too much CPU and a coprocessor needs to be fitted), will inflict less damage than the 'geddon but balances it by having a tank.
I did a 1 vs. 1 against a corpmate's tech 1 gankageddon with my tech 2 raven and won, but the margin was such that if he'd had a tech 2 gankageddon, the results could've gone either way.
Note that this is a tier 1 battleship going up against a tier 2. With tech 2 ballistics, the raven would become the favorite in the tech 2 vs. tech 2 fight, which is justified since the raven's a tier 2 and the 'geddon's only a tier 1.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:15:00 -
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heh, when I started playing the general consensus was - Caldari ships - rubbish at NPCing, laughable at mining, but man can they PvP.
Wow we can shoot NPCs from a long way off now and suck veld in Jita with our Ospreys - woot.
</whine>
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
heh, when I started playing the general consensus was - Caldari ships - rubbish at NPCing, laughable at mining, but man can they PvP.
Wow we can shoot NPCs from a long way off now and suck veld in Jita with our Ospreys - woot.
</whine>
The new NPCs are proably going to make it a bit tought to tank mine in 0.0
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Turin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aliksr
don't forget to whine about missile implants too
Why is it considerd a "WHINE" just to ask for the same type of mods that armor tankers and gun users have?
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.09.01 23:28:00 -
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where did i say that?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.02 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Aliksr
don't forget to whine about missile implants too
Why is it considerd a "WHINE" just to ask for the same type of mods that armor tankers and gun users have?
because in eve a person who uses caldari ships and missiles is a second class citizen and not entitled to things everyone else gets, duh
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.09.02 02:41:00 -
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imo these should give a rof bonous only and insted of damage incrase they should decrase the explosion radius, so no extra damage per shot to BS sized ships, more dps as rof is increased
atm a raven 1vs1 with another battleship pawns it silly, with t2 damage mods it will be the 1vs1 champ by far
i been playing aroun on sisi a lot with raven vs my thron/geddon
i can use t2 lasers and hybrids and got bs 5 on both
the mega has a range of 10km max, and t2 kitted, it cant beat a good raven setup, and that with t1 BCU
a geddon does beat the raven if its under 15km, but its dam close, and the geddons advantag is it hits mostly EM, and the raven usually only has 1 em hardener
t2 BCU are gona make this ship uber when it comes to the small fleets and 1vs1 and 1vs more
also consider the raven can do this damage at a great range, with good skills torps go far, much further than a megas 5km optimal and a geddons 15km optimal
like i sugested make t2 BCU give a explosion radius bonous,
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.02 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
imo these should give a rof bonous only and insted of damage incrase they should decrase the explosion radius, so no extra damage per shot to BS sized ships, more dps as rof is increased
atm a raven 1vs1 with another battleship pawns it silly, with t2 damage mods it will be the 1vs1 champ by far
i been playing aroun on sisi a lot with raven vs my thron/geddon
i can use t2 lasers and hybrids and got bs 5 on both
the mega has a range of 10km max, and t2 kitted, it cant beat a good raven setup, and that with t1 BCU
a geddon does beat the raven if its under 15km, but its dam close, and the geddons advantag is it hits mostly EM, and the raven usually only has 1 em hardener
t2 BCU are gona make this ship uber when it comes to the small fleets and 1vs1 and 1vs more
also consider the raven can do this damage at a great range, with good skills torps go far, much further than a megas 5km optimal and a geddons 15km optimal
like i sugested make t2 BCU give a explosion radius bonous,
can we just remove the raven from the game then? i mean i kind of enjoy flying the other ships caldari offer too i wish ccp would ungimp them that would be nice
i mean i fly a raven now and then and i like the ship but please i am so tired of people pretending this ship is some kind of god mode win button it most surely is not ravens can get spanked just like any other ship, so whatever..
every race has tech2 damage mods for their ships, except for missiles, this is total crap, theres no reason why t2 bcu should not be in the game right now, there are faction bcu that are better than t2 out right now but they cost a buttload but still, if ravens are so uber then everyone would be flying one with 5 dread gurista bcu, but thats not the case now is it.
anyways this is just getting old, ccp just add them already. missiles have been nerfed to near uselessness now so please, just cough these mods up..
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Darkside101
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:41:00 -
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Gronsak m8, you seem to be a little off on your intel at the mo so let me help you get up to date, most, with the exeption of named faction uber expencive wasp scramblers/disrupters have a range of 7.5k-20k and any 1v1 combat out of that range will just result in the mega or apoc/geddon/tempest warping off
the damage done is not automatic, it can be stopped with smartbombs and rocket/assault lanchers filled with defenders and fitted to the "crap slots" on all of the above ships, an option whict is seldom used by caldari ships as it normaly takes great skill to destroy incoming missiles with smart bombs without lessening your own firepower and lets face it you, have to be a "special" kind of caldari pilot to use up your own "good slots" with the rocket/assaults filled with defenders, and thats not even taking into account the fact that even now the missiles still take some time to get to there targets depending on range
I would also like to note that in order for a caldari ship to fit warp scramblers/disrupters it takes up one of there very precious midslots and thus weekens there sheild tank even more.
Then there is the issue of speed and agility, a cardari ship even fitted with a mwd cant outrun any other bs with the same fittings and again, fitting a propulsion mod weekens that all important tank again, as does the sensor booster you are recomending we fit so we can pointlessly
shoot all them lovely targets at over 140k+ tho it does help us get our missiles off a little faster and our wait for any damage to be done that little bit shorter.
all we are asking for is an equality, nothing more e.g
surgical strike
Knowledge of spaceships structural weakneses, 3% bonus to weapon turret damage of all sorts.
training time multiplier
4 x
warhead upgrades
Proficiency at upgrading missile warheads with deadlier payloads. 2% bonus to all missile damage per skill level.
training time multiplier
5 x
nuf said
yarr
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.02 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 02/09/2005 11:19:03
"atm a raven 1vs1 with another battleship pawns it silly, with t2 damage mods it will be the 1vs1 champ by far
i been playing aroun on sisi a lot with raven vs my thron/geddon
i can use t2 lasers and hybrids and got bs 5 on both
the mega has a range of 10km max, and t2 kitted, it cant beat a good raven setup, and that with t1 BCU
a geddon does beat the raven if its under 15km, but its dam close, and the geddons advantag is it hits mostly EM, and the raven usually only has 1 em hardener"
I guess a bit of perspective from the other side might be helpful, here -.o
Cruise missile Raven with BCUs in all lows and tank in all mids stands a fair chance to all-gank Amarr ships, somewhat less likely to survive a close range Megathron attack. *When* it wins, these are typically close encounters, with the Raven's cap being drained empty at that point. When she loses, it's because she wasn't able to kill the paper-thin enemy ship fast enough, exhausted the cap and her tank collapsed. Tbh you never know which way it'll go.
Torpedo Raven with gank setup might have quite better chance to come out of these things alive, because she'll deal more damage while maintaining pretty much the same short-time tank (her drawback is no room for cap drainers in that configuration, so anything equipped with these is going to fold her quick)
Note though, you want to relatively gimp --in comparison to turret upgrades-- the module that affects *all* missiles and launchers, because torpedo Raven appears capable of killing other battleships in their own gank game. I don't think it's sensible... if torpedo Raven is indeed a big problem, seek the ways to fix the problem itself, i.e. the torpedoes -- cut their range or speed, or base damage or whatever. But don't penalize all ships from frigate with rockets up, because gods know the performance of smaller missiles is nothing to write home about, and t.2 damage mods are hardly going to help here even if they make it in the game >>;;
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2005.09.21 12:22:00 -
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So, how soon is "soon" ?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.21 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
So, how soon is "soon" ?
obviously not very, mitch
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Zarks
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:05:00 -
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this is just not good 
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:39:00 -
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T2 damage mods, T2 shield boost amp and implants.
and, somtinglike a target painter for missiles
(Yes! target painters where desinged for gunnery and it does not work good with missiles)
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
T2 damage mods, T2 shield boost amp and implants.
and, somtinglike a target painter for missiles
(Yes! target painters where desinged for gunnery and it does not work good with missiles)
I respectfully disagree, they are great for missiles, particulary torpedoes.
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