Titan: Used for 1 shooting the most crucial target on field and than providing DPS to counter opposing capitals and super capitals not wrecking sub capital ships that is just plain stupid. And to be used as a BOOSTER BONUS and LOGISTICAL PLATFORM. They were meant to be 1 peer fleet not 100. They cant and shouldn't be able to have any offensive capability against sub-capital ships they need fleet support all the time.[/b]

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Titans not moving for 30 seconds,no jumping or cloaking for 10 minutes isnt anything major for a titan pilot that jumps into a system and DD a lone carrier then warps around for a bit before jumps back out.This hasnt happen to me by the way i know someone that does it.

How exactly will they be used as a solo pwn mobile. Titan can no longer DD a subcapital to insta pop it, its guns wont 1 hit 1 kill a subcapital least hasnt happened to be always had a chance to warp off.

And super carriers will only be able to gank 1 BS and whit Fighters being nerfed as well that wont go as fast as it happens now.

These ships shouldn't do anything SOLO... and there for should not have any ability to defend them selves against subcapital ships.

Also to people that cry they will leave after this. Go ahead no one is stopping you. You represent 1% of EvE Online population i think that the 99% wont care if you stay or leave nor will CCP.

You knew what you were committing to when you trained for them and purchased them. And you knew that they are gonna get NERFED bad really bad to a point where they will finally serve their true role.

zero2espect wrote:

ItGÇÖs obvious to me that the number of players are dropping. the fury of recent blogs are designed to re-energise people into staying. Unfortunately, the changes that are listed as CCPs solutions are just ill thought through, knee jerk reactions by people so far removed from the playing of the game it makes me furious.

My preface is that the very people who have been paying subs for the last 5 years, the people who are growing tired of the game because it is broken, are being placed even more offside by these stupid changes. People who have invested millions of SP and billions of isk into capitals are being killed through stupid misconceptions about how they are used.

Another point is that there needs to be a mechanic separating 0.0 and low-sec. in 0.0 let the big boys duke it out for the billions of moon goo and the like GÇô jump the titans, supers and dreads around all you want. Have different rules for them GÇô theyGÇÖre fighting for sov, let them bring out the bling GÇô max bonuses. In low sec there needs to be protection for the 3643 (or whatever) corps of 50 people or less who want to pvp without the threat of their 5 baddons, 2 megas and scorp being dropped on by 15 SCs just because itGÇÖs fun on a Friday night. Limit the amount of ships that can jump through a cyno into low sec. Prevent fleets with more than 5 caps cynoing into a system. Implement a cyno cool-down onto fleets. Halve the bonuses due to security scanning protocols in low sec. Do something. You dont need to screw supers to fix the prob.

Supers. Where do I start. Forget your stupid idea with the drones. Listen, just give the super enough drone bay for 10 bombers and 5-10 fighters and halve the amount of drones able to be deployed at once. Balance this with an additional % of damage per level. Make the pilot choose between putting in bombers, fighters (cap vs bs shooting) and/or any mix of standard drones they wish GÇô a super with 10 sentries/heavies/jamming drones isnGÇÖt going to win the next fight in delve but makes a difference to a guy bumped off a pos tackled by a hic and being bumped by 2 machs. Remove the bonuses that allow SC only fleets to remote rep each GÇô force commanders to mix up fleets for reps. Change the ecm burst so that it uses stront so that there is a finite amount of bursting that can be accomplished. The EHP drop is there purely for SC haters GÇô but again itGÇÖs stupid. If people are flying supercaps theyGÇÖve earned the right to have some ehp buffer. The logoffski rules provide a means that committed smaller fleets have a chance at a kill if they deserve it. IGÇÖd be happy to see that the hanger bay and corp hangers on supers be taken away so that they are pure combat ships and must rely on other jump capable ships for logistical support, amp up the fuel bay if you do this.

Titans. Remove the ability to bridge fleets or make it prohibitively expensive/limited GÇô e.g. costs much much more or limits the number of ships similar to a wormhole (more smaller ships, few bigger ships). Fleet fight suppression is more based on the fear of massive-hostile-fleets bridging in rather than OMG 35 titans have jumped in. make the distinction between titan and super not guns but the DD and (rebalanced) jump portal. I can tell you for free that having an erebus gate camping in low sec instapowning anything with guns does not make for a fun eve (and unable to do anything because within range there are 12 supers waiting to jump in and take down anybody dumb enough to counter).

When will CCP learn that nothing good comes from BIG changes to anything. In a complex environment like EVE is, you can never understand what will happen when you make even little changes, and big changes are completely random in how they play out. LetGÇÖs be honest, CCPs record of deploying quality changes and balancing and game features is not stellar GÇô this smells like more of the same. This whole situation came about because of a BIG change to motherships to become supers. This is like a roundabout now.

For the love of god, instead of making all these changes do 1 or 2 like I suggest, see what happens. if itGÇÖs not enough in a month do another one, then another one. Half of why we hate you CCP is that you hype up all these big changes and they never deliver what was promised. Promise less, do more small things and keep your current players happy. You may be trying to grow the game but at this rate you wont grow faster than people will leave if you keep doing crazy wholesale changes that effect people with BILLIONS invested into your universe.

I donGÇÖt have a super but IGÇÖm not on the bandwagon of NERF THE SUPERS! just because I donGÇÖt have one. I want to aspire to one day have one on this toon and the way things are going there is nothing beneficial in GÇ£wanting moreGÇ¥ out of this game. I might as well stop producing items, buying plexes and adding value to the game and just fly ceptors and cruisers because at least when you **** them up I wonGÇÖt be throwing billions down the toilet.

Everything you proposed solves nothing.. They are useless changes that would make no difference at all. Only solution is to make SUPER CAPITALS useless against SUB CAPITALS..

Stupid idots...

Yes exactly that SUPER CAPITALS need to be USELESS against SUB CAPITALS. You souldn't be able to kill a sub capital ship whit a super capital.

If you want to kill a subcapital ship whit a supercapital ship have subcapital support to do it for you. Its how it's so-pose to be. Any other changes short of making SUPER CAPITALS useless against SUB CAPITALS are stupid and senseless since it gives SUPER CAPITALS more roles then what they are meant to be.

If that is balanced to you then i propose the following changes as well:

- BS Buff: 10000m3 cargohold, 500m3 drone bay, 20 weapons slots, 500ms base speed, 100k base EHP
- BC Buff: 500m3 cargo, 250m3 drone bay, immunity to fighters, 500km web and scram range, 1km base speed
- HIC Buff: Immunity against EWAR, Immunity against fighters, 500k base EMP, 4 EXTRA LARGE TURRET slots
- Logie Buff: Immunity to neuting, 1000km repair range, Infinite cap and cpu, 900% boost in repair and cap transfer amount

Things like that probably make sense to you. Also i want my machariel to be buffed:
- 10km base speed
- 5mil EHP
- All resists above 90% as base
- 500m3 drone bay
- 1.9 tracking
- Immunity to ewar

It did cost me 8bil to pimp fit so it should be the dominant thing on field on its level i should be able to go against 20 T1 BS and kill them all.

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING CHANGES LIKE TAHT

Again you forget these ships are 1st meant to be extra rare. Second they serve their role as killing enemy carriers that may be used as DPS ships or Triage Logistic carriers and in the end killing opponents super capital ships that may appear on field to assist their own sub capital fleet.

If you want to let super capitals have offensive ability against subcapital ships then they need to do reduced damage to them, they need to take 5min to lock these ships.

Also this is not WoW where everything is unbalanced. These ships need to be balanced and need their own role and that is not killing sub capital ships.

Titans were created to move big fleets from A to B the fact they have a DD and guns is just a small bonus to help and take out the most crucial capital ship opponent fielded.

Super Carriers were created to support friendly Titans while being there to help sub capital ship kill a Titan not help a sub capital fleet kill another sub capital fleet. Thats just plain stupid.

1) FFS No. You know that everything is subject to change you knew this prior to training for that ship and buying it. Those skills still apply to people in carriers so you are loosing nothing. So all the people that spent months training for fully T2 Hybrid gunnery to have all Gunnnery skills on lvl 5 and then noticed that Hybrid turrets suck should have their skills reimbursed as well ?

2) **** no makes no sense. If anything they should make a thread where subcapital pilots decided the proper balance for super capital ships. All of you are only crying that your I WIN button is going away and that your alliances are going to fail now since they have **** experience in fielding subcapital ships. Your cry is really pathetic.

3) Thats the most stupid thing to say. BS and carriers were overpowered because of the market to income ratio back then. And Titans and Super carriers were not made to counter BS...

Your arguments are plain stupid.

My Suggestions:


1) 22.5m in drone skills + another 20M in SC specific skills to not be able to use drones on my MS? If you take drones away from SC's then give back drone skills if the player wants to have them returned. Done through the petition process.

2) To get some real feedback from players who are experienced in the use of SC's open a thread that only Titan and SC pilots can post in. Verified through API. All that is happening in this thread is little testies and goons bleating against SC's because the chief goon Mitiani has told them too.

3) SC's and Titans were brought into the game because BS and carriers were too powerfull. Every time you bring a new ship class in the same thing happens. Noobs whine and complain that it isn't fair etc etc etc. Visa vis the intrduction of the HIC. Well if titans and SC's are too powerfull then bring in something designed to kill them. A death Star if you will. Price it at like 250B to build. Make it so 10 people have to be skilled and online to use it. And give it a death star type weapon. Every 10m it can pop a SC or a titan etc etc.

So seeing how hybrid damage is weak moros's are usless with no drone damage.Will the hitpoints be dropped on drones also?
Nice that ccp is always looking to nerf stuff to make the new players happy.Reminds me of another game that isnt around anymore.

Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals.

You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare.

Passive shield regen should be enough...

Passive shield regen should be enough...

1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier.

Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff.

1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier.

Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff.

The only change that was needed -- was the logoff timer, now that even the biggest whiners had figured out how to force the enemy to avoid committing supercaps without support fleet.

So, good change with logoff timer.

The ehp reduction will not work the way you intended. It will simply encourage more people to move to Titans and ensure whoever has more titans will always win the engagement since no one will want to risk third of their fleet being wiped by DDs on the first jump in.

There was nothing wrong with supercapital EHP, except it was hard to kill them in a lagged system with the logoff timer. All your EHP reduction now does is make titans even more king than before. Was this your intention?

Dronebays -- fine, but I'd consider allowing every class of a supercarrier to store one flight of BOTH fighters and fighter bombers.

Siege Timer -- good, will make small ninja stuff viable.

ECM Burst -- good, seemed like a bug to begin with tbh.



I would have much rather personally seen a complete redesign of the supercapital shipclass and taken them off the battlefield. This one will simply buy you a bit of time, without really addressing the issue at all. It will stealth boost titans, and make entities who can regularly field 30+ of them more overpowered than before.


The longer you prolong the titan issue, the bigger problem you face when you finally face up to the fact they need a no-combat role and you have to somehow make 2k+ titan accounts worthwile in a non-combat role.

SOLO SUPER CAPITALS AND SUPER CAPITAL BLOB are OVER
FINALY SUPER CAPITALS NEED TO RELY ON SUB CAPITAL SUPPORT TO DEFEND THEM AGAINST OTHER SUB CAPITALS



DEAL WHIT IT

Nuff said

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Battle summary containing seven destroyed titans...

Again stupid and non valid argument why we shouldn't nerf them. As long as there is no way to counter them other than having the greater number of super capitals than your opponent on the field they are broken and need to be balanced.
It's stupid to have 1 thing in game that can dominate all. Now ill just stack 1000 of those and ffs... Your logic is stupid.

1) Understand that super capitals are not SOLO ships
2) Once you understand they are not solo ships understand that by that they dont need anti sub capital support
3) Once you understand 2) you know they have anti capital and super capital ability
4) Once you understand 1) 2) and 3) you will understand that they depend on sub capital support

END OF STORY

BLOB warfare is the result of this NERF. Meaning Super Capitals on field can establish an unbrakable cap transfer and remote repair chain that no sub capital fleet can brake whit its DPS. And now these ships can also output the DPS 100x bigger than the entire output of any sub capital fleet.

This is stupid. I understand you are MAD about you ship getting nerfed but BLOB warfare need to end either that or it will be the end of the GAME as it is. Because there is no fun for me to get 500 of my allies to go fight our enemy just to see them bring 150 super capitals and wipe the floor whit my fleet. Next time i will bring 1000 ships and they will bring 150 super capitals and my client will crash leaving maybe 100 of my allies online and barely active and again super capital fleet wins.

The fleet fights should happen on sub capital lvl, where super capitals assist the sub capital fleet by removing enemy logistic carriers of the field, reparing our sov infrastructure and guarding our main command ship being the Titan.

If super capitals remain as they are then there is really no need for sub capital classes other than t1 frigs for lighting cynos and no point of sub capital powers to fight against super capitals so no point in playing the game meaning that 99% of eve population should just leave the game.

Your logic is flawed.

+1 Death to these crappy and useless ships, we get so much by nerfing them. We get our game back, balanced pvp, get to see all these super capital noobs cry so much knowing they cant do **** and that SC Blob is about to die. Happy times finally the game braking part is being removed.

the people in this thread are worse than the poor people in america who vote for republicans jesus christ you are all ********

Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.

Good point there :D

I can't hit you in SC or Titan but you wanna hit me, huh? FAIR ENOUGH ! I'll eject and bump you to death !

Truthfully i would not have a problem whit that. But it would be game braking. Since its only logical that Super Capitals cant damage sub capitals and sub capitals can damage super capitals.

Whatever the change it end result must be: STOP THE SUPER CAPITAL BLOB

That's the most ******** thing I've ever read.

It's only logical that a semi truck can drive over a mini cooper.

Therefore it's only logical that a super cap should be able to walk all up and down your cane.

there must be no such thing as risk free pvp. If a sub cap has the balls to attack a super, it should have a tank to take it or get wiped off the grid.

Go back to logic school.

Infact, everybody who's hating super caps and the sheer awesomeness with which they can chew through a sub cap fleet, are all just as pathetic as newbies crying over losing a newly purchased cruiser to a low-sec gate camp prior to knowing how low sec pvp works. Then they proceed to cry over it, make a petition, threaten to quit if they don't get their stuff back, then threaten to quit if the game isn't changed to suit their play styles.

Can you elaborate on point 3) and point 5) what that is and the mechanic behind it.