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I even build for blues (but not for you, just because).

In this thread, I've read several very good reasons why the fighter change is a bad idea. You are right. Fighters should stay the way they are. The change would be unfair for carriers.

The poor performance of Minmatar capital ships is being looked at and was already being looked at before the blog was posted.

Pointing out flaws and issues with the balancing plan is very much appreciated. I will look into the issues and make changes where they are needed.

Once this hits SISI, I will start a thread in the test server feedback forums. Your concerns will be listened to and acted upon if necessary.

Thank you, it's good to see you guys listening to your players, shame it takes thousands of people leaving the game for CCP to take notice.

I do think you guys shoot once again look at Selene's original MS/SC proposals. That was far more balanced than what we have today.

The realisation that cost is not a balancing factor: priceless.

Weird, you are saying here, that fighters are anti bs weapon here, and yet you are against their signature resolution reduction. Do you realize, that fighters now hit cruisers and bcs well?

Only way to avoid their dps in cruiser is go faster than them.
Hm, or better, sit still. Try sitting still in 20-25k ehp cruiser in the middle of the fight.

Heaven forbid you might have to actually make a decision about what to carry in your dronebay.

The supercap proliferation needs to be fixed regardless

When supercaps fill the field and deply drones the nodes CANNOT handle it 67+ super caps makes it impossible to do anything in that system

They have far too many bonuses and not enough weakneses, these changes fix that

Sorry Raiden and so but your "i win" mobiles are being taken away

Cry more

That can be addressed with further balancing, Supercaps should not be as prolific as they are currently, they needed a single role, not to be the swiss army knife of eve

You dont see aircraft carriers going solo versus whole armies, they have a whole plethora of support, which in turns gives sub cap pilots something to actually do in fleet fights, SC's broke the sandbox, making it that you HAD to have one to play in the sand, now they are more limited in use everyone can enjoy the sandbox again

because 20 billion isk in hurricans is over 250 people
250 people x 15 dollars a month = CCP making it rain.

20 billion isk in a supercarrier is 1 person
1 person RMTing isk with his bots that go unpunished = 0 $ for CCP




What would you do if you were ccp?







Edit: still waiting for CCP Tallest to comment more. been 60 pages bro

THIS!
Its actually a hidden nerf to carriers so its harder for caps to rat in 0.0 ! bullshit!

TIME TO GET REAL WITH CAPITAL BALANCING !

To me it seems pretty unrealistic that huge capital ship would be designed in a way that is has no countermeasures against small or medium size ships whatsoeverGǪ I mean, in real life for example GÇ£BismarckGÇ¥ didnGÇÖt have any trouble spanking smaller class vessels. However, I do realize this is a spaceship game that needs to be balanced to work. Therefore I only suggest following small changes that would make the game feel more real;

1)make dreads able to shoot slow moving (>100m/s) battleship sized targets with their capital turrets, even if they donGÇÖt make full damage they should be able to cause some trouble to a slow moving BS. --> Improve dread primary guns tracking.

2)remove dronebays from dreads and titans as planned (having such small drone bays in huge vessels is very unrealistic anyway)

3)add GÇ£not so powerfullGÇ¥ secondary guns to dreads and titans; add couple extra slots for medium sized, short range (1-25km) weapons so these huge ships would pose a threat atleast to a single small / medium sized subcapital ship that is trying to tackle them. Also it wouldnt hurt if firing these "self defence guns" would look like anti-aircraft fire .

People who bot themselves into supercaps are Very Important Internet People, and CCP should bend over and pander to them at every opportunity or they will cry.

sorry but i have to take a look at this list of minor unimportant carebare alliances you have
lets start with this list here non of them are classed as unimportant each have show they can fight and fight well meny of them can't do it allow but its why their in a power block for the support of their allies
: AAA, RAZOR, BRICK, MM, SE, COVEN, TEST, GSF, FA

unimportant carebare alliance
ROL, nail on the head comes to mind

and who is RL,

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ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock

bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned

That would be like an Abbadon pilot wanting to have 8 guns that can turn into Tachyons/Mega Pulse/Medium Pulse by pressing a button.

Good for the pilot? Yes.

Good for the game? Hell no.

I am glad they are going to force supercarrier pilots to make compromises, just like everyone else has to.

Yes. Disappointed?

I re-activated for five dollars to ask one question:

Will the Hel be shown any sort of attention? I devoted twenty years of my life to training for, and earning isk (the hard way) for a ship that is all but useless. With these changes, maybe Hel pilots should be reimbursed skill points and given a nyx or aeon of their choice, with deadspace/officer fittings of equal value to their current setup?

What changes can we expect regarding slave-implant equivalents for shield-tanking caps? The non-existence of a real gang bonus when compared to armor-tanked caps?

Minmatar capital pilots have been abused long enough, a statement on the potential changes of the Hel (and minmatar caps in general) is necessary at this point in my opinion.

Unlike many SC pilots, I ratted and plexed to earn my SC, therefore it cost me more man-hours and occasional plex than most who were subsidized by their alliance's goo output or personal bots.

(4 accounts, not just an SC pilot. But I refuse to come back to eve if my most hard-won and highly-trained character will be laughed at by any serious alliance.)



So please, can we have an answer to the 20 billion isk (>$1000 USD) question?

Changes are going to make the blob worse and the cry for nerf louder.
Everyone with half a brain can already see this coming.
Whatever.

Can we get an update on minmatar capital changes please.
Take silly torp launchers off the nag, give guns a damage boost to compensate.
(or give it a neut bonus or something cool, idk)

Give shield capitals (specifically: wyvern, hel) a shield hp increase, make them a bit more in line with the armor tanks.
From what I am seeing with new stats, the hel is basically a shield tanked archon with more dps. That is silly.