Remove Dronebay from the Titan and Dreadnought sucks
also that the DD dont work on Sub-Caps ... ppff ... F*** O**

with what weapon can a Titan and a Dread now fight vs. Sub-Caps ??

a Citadel Torpedo vs a Hurricane dont work.
or a Siege Autocanon vs. Hurricane also dont work.

at the moment there are only Drones to fight them.

so this realy realy sucks !

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I can afford to loose my Nyx... thats why i use it. It's more that CCP is making my Nyx useless other than killing caps, and more so useless to me because I am not in a giant blob alliance, and I cant change into another ship.

If it was only originally designed to kill capitals, then why exactly can it do everything it can currently ? Its not as though they just threw them on the server without testing them on the test server.

Also the change to fighters is pretty stupid. Has anyone ever looked at a fighter in the game? The are a bit smaller than an interceptor, they individually do the dps of a T1 frigate, the EHP of a buff Assault frigate, and they are about as fast as a frigate. So a "ship" that is smaller than a frigate, about the same speed and hit points has guns that can't hit a BS or BC well? what is the logic here? In theory fighters should be able to dual with frigate class ships based on size, speed and HP.

Because cost is not a balancing factor and not a justification for imbalance.

This is one of THE worst balancing decisions I've ever seen in a games life cycle.

You have completely removed the counter-balance to "blob" warfare in one fell stroke.

On top of that, you've made these ships worth multiple billions of isk not worth flying at all. CCP, you have truly regressed backwards on this.

I'm fairly disgusted with your thinking process in this regard.

Yet again, you've shown favor to those that can field the most ships without any regard for the people who have spent their entire careers in-game working towards capitals and super capitals.

I can see myself easily cancelling 6 of my 7 accounts, as they are supremely and utterly useless.

Way to stick it to your veteran players CCP.

CCP: Love your intent;
CCP: You will probably fail.

You have provided no insentive for anybody to bring CAP to a fight; unless they bring 1 first; which they have no incentive to do so.

You need to allow someway to permit CAPS and SUB-CAPS to interact. Wether it fighters on Carries only; where they can not easly shoot small fast ships but could kill a BS with a little effort.

Otherwise you will kill the butterfly before it takes off

Hah, I am in the same boat.... I was like, damnit well that was pointless

Why "This honestly"?

Okay so let me get the quote straight, you were part of a small gang that got hot dropped by bigger ships and it wasn't fun. Okay so assuming you have been part of other small gangs, lets say 10 or less people, you have probably camped some gates, baited someone into aggression, set up drag bubbles. Okay so with this small gang of lets just say 8 ships you have probably killed the "lone battleship" traveling, the hauler that jumped in, the hulk in a belt, the guy looking for a solo fight on a station who you baited into aggression and then jumped 8 ships on top of. Was it fun for those players who got "ganked" by your small gang? Should your small gang ships be nerfed cause they overpowered a weaker force?

So you fly around and happily "gank" people in you small gang but when it comes time for someone to **** in your Cheerios you want to cry that stuff needs nerfed. How many people have you and your small gang killed in which the fight was clearly not fair? Like your 5 BS two logi and a falcon just completely wipe someone, with no chance. That's just fine with you, but when you get wiped you want to cry "overpowered" and "nerf it" and "that wasn't fair, this is bullshit". Welcome to what should be the sandbox in EVE.

If a ship actually costs more to produce then it *should* have some advantage, otherwise why bother?

We aren't talking about a game where everything has the same base cost and the only factor dictating price is demand.
The cost of a ship (rather than the price) really does need to be considered as an element of balance.

Wow really? How would a single Aeon or any supercap for that matter hold down a 30 man gang? Wouldn't the players of the 30 man gang be pretty stupid for not warping off if there was just that much ganking coming down from that Aeon? Aeons and all supercaps have 30-40 mid slots for warp disruptors and sensor boosters and webs. And I would not drop my Nyx on a 30 man BS gang because there is a pretty good chance that I would die in under 15 minutes. Oh wait I forgot supercaps have MILLIONS of capacitor points don't they.... Right, like I said I would probably get neuted out and killed in under 15 minutes.

I agree with the proposed log off mechanic change, if I drop my aeon there should always be a chance its my last.

With this change, are you telling me you and 29 of your friends could not kill a lone supercarrier before downtime rolls around? If this is a problem, then your obviously playing the game wrong to begin with.

Maybe your 30 man gang should field some support ships like Hics, dictors and logi cruisers.

I forgot that when you cyno in you have full cap... right? hmmm more like 30 something percent.
And the lock time on my Nyx for those battleships must be in the what? 3 second range? be really hard for them all to get on me at once, what with those kinds of lock times. And lets say 20 of your BS have a single neut, your knocking back 16,000 of my cap every 24 seconds. Start doing the math on say 30 BS with 2 neuts each...

Educate yourself before you post on a subject. Please.

The supercapital ships are different to other ships in one very important part; you cannot leave the ship and change to a new ship.

The only structure you can leave a supercarrier or a titan with even minimal secuirity is capital ship maintenance bay. This requires a control tower that can be killed and sovereignty and infrastructure upgrade.

What this suggested nerf is doing, is removing lot of gameplay options from these said ships. In past, it has been possible that you have used the ship ingame for few hours a week (most of it is spent waiting something to happen inside a pos).

In future, the use would be even less. Games are supposed to be fun, but I totally fail to see where is the fun with the suggested supercarriers.

Since every ship has a role and purpose, please describe why would you want to own one of these new supercarriers?

Or do you think its good idea to make another ship class as succesfull as electronic attack frigates?

My math was based on BS doing an average of 850 DPS....

so 16000 cap every 24 seconds, thats 20 neuts... total for the fleet.

If I lose the Erebus I will just get another one. Like most titan pilots I'm rich personally and in a rich alliance.

CSMA / holding alt are not options because the titan needs to be able to log in at any time on very short notice for alliance ops. Retrieving and swapping out the titan would take too much time.

The fact is, drone skills are now totally useless for titan pilots and those skill points should be reimbursed.

A 20B endgame ship shouldnt be able to hold at least a few drones to fend off a dictor? lol. How somone could say thats a sane thing to do is beyond comprehension.

There are ships designated for most roles in the game, so if you wanna pull the role-card then make it happen to all classes.
I would like to see the reactions then from the people in this thread who support the current nerf.

No matter how you twist and turn it, you do in fact sometimes end up in situations where you are alone and without support, either from logging at a safespot or pos or whatever. Its inevitable.

new feedback

1. Please let dreads keep their drone bay - but have the siege module make it so dreads cannot use drones while in siege mode - similar to carriers triage mode.

2. Hel is getting hit the worst and will have the lowest EHP of all the mom's please leave their hp alone and maybe look into changing the bonus from logi to something like drone rof.

3. Drone bay sizes should be able to take a full compliment of fighters and fighter bombers. 25 f / 25 FB. This will leave some versatility to moms to either assign fighters to sub caps to help them out or have a full wing of bombers for capital / sov fights.

3.a. To appease the super cap whiners that have no friends to back them up in a fleet fight.
MAKE 2 drone bays. One for fighters and fighter bombers, And another one for regular drones. large enough to accomodate, 25 light, 25 medium, 25 heavy, 25 sentry, and 25 ewar.
Now to the whiney super cap pilots --- THIS IS MEETING THE ISSUE HALF WAY, It gives you reasonable defense against subs but its not op where you can constantly throw drones out.

4. AS an added bonus to help supers carriers and others, MAYBE offer a bonus to smartbomb range or neut range.

5. Look into dread / titan tracking of turrets,

6. You should explain more in depth about hybrid changes to quell the fear about the changes it is going to receive, you already broke its poor little legs.

7. If regular carriers are going to be support ships to the supers, make sure they get some good bonuses to help defend against sub caps,
7a - small hp buff
7b - better tracking for all drones
7c - speed bonus drones ETC

8. A note to the community - THESE ARE PLANNED CHANGES AND ARE NOT YET IN STONE! Get on the test server and try it out and offer constructive help not whining and rage quitting.

9. To most of you bitter vets - We were all around before super caps existed, we were all around fighting for sov long before tons and tons of moms were fielded. MAKE UP TACTICS, Send in the subs first to distract their subs then send in the dreads and supers to take out their capitals.

A 20bil isk ship should be able to deal with any situation, even if its to a limited degree.

Making the rich corps ships shittier to make it easier for the poor corps to compete against them is just ridiculous.

Having better ships !=winning...it just stacks the odds in your favor. If your opponent brings 10 SCs to a fight and you can only bring 1 subcap then you had better run because you are going to lose. You obviously need to adjust your strategy and try using overwhelming force(numbers) to mitigate their ship quality.

I really do feel dreads are not really being used in fleet fights because they are nothing bot expensive killmails now. We only undock our dreads, when it's definitely we won't get resistances at POS bashings. The reason for this, is they are unable to recieve logistics support. It doesn't really matter how much self-tanking boost they got by entering siege mode, they don't even have the slightest chance to survive a fleet battle. Maybe if we could field dreads, which were able to receive some kind of logistics support (like cap transfers only, or from SCs only, or from scripted cap transfer only, or using scripted siege mods, whatever, i'm just a player), we could deal with cap fleets somewhat better. Maybe.

I hope I'll get some answers for these suggestions/ideas.

Best regards,
Magic