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Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.10.11 14:57:00 -
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I give a BIG THUMBS UP to all these changes. Thank you for not nerfing the fighters becasue it would've had a negative effect on carriers.
and for the numb skulls whining about a hic or sabre tackling an SC....Its a fleet ship you shouldnt be using it as a solo pwnmobile/low sec gankathon in the first place. Once again A FLEET SHIP.
CCP could you give us a general idea of how a basic fleet fight will look or stack in your minds. After being in one after another for so many years it will be interesting to see how you guys envision a typical fleet fight.
Once again we appreciate the re focust on the game at hand. As a player with 3 accounts running for 4 plus years , its nice to see you guys are intent on keeping me coming back for years more |
Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 08:58:00 -
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Why are so many people refering to this as a goon patch? I think any who has been on the recieving end of DRF and gang 150 man super cap blob would like to see this pach implemented . Simply put as stated before, the reason they are a problem is because of the number of super carriers in fleet at a given time. Im sure when ccp implemented the fighter bomber thing they didnt expect such a proliferation of super carriers as observed in last economic cycle report. In the 4th quarter alone they were up 150 percent. There is no counter to them unless you bring your own blob of super carriers. And lets be real for just a sec shall we. How many alliances besides DRF have the capability whether legal or illegaly to obtain that many super carriers in such a short peroid of time.
Its not like CCP can just ask folks to play nice and not use the clear adavantage of blobing with the OMGWTFPWN mobiles now can they ? So now what ? Some of you want to complain even though you knew it was a FOTM ( albiet an expensive one) but none the less a FOTM and scream foul play? Its no different when everybody jumped head first into the nano FOTM and cried when they balanced it. But your suppose to be special because you spent 20b isk tough ****.
like they told the nano and falcon pilots get over it , adapt or quit this is EVE and the amount of isk you spend on your ship is not a guarantee of any sorts. And for goodness sake please stop comparing real life military to EVE. you cant make reference to real life ships to a Internet space ship (GAME )!!! only miltary tactics which is failry universal |
Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:40:00 -
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[quote=Samanta] There is no other alliance in EVE that can gather as many duders as goons & co can.
There is nothing but supercaps to survive alpha from 1000+ dudes, stealth bombers are broken in huge fights so they are no good... The only way would be put some time and isk on it and get supercaps. They did. Now because goons realized that they are in danger, CCP will turn all that time/isk in ships in next to useless space bazingas. Tell me please, who is gonna use anything other than a odd triage carrier in a fleet fight? So why would a group of people pay CCP one extra sub to be stuck in one ship that you might use once i a while if u are lucky to have one dumb dude in range doing something stupid with his own super?
You can ask anyone you know that owns a SC or a Titan if they think its worth having up to 20 years worth of plex/gametime or an huge amount of subcapital ships (like...years worth of ships) + paying one extra sub so you can use it like... never.
Again, why would you need dreads and carriers (the first step for an escalation) if they add nothing and can be killed easily with subs? If one does not escalate, your super fleet doesnt have any weight.
I'm not stupid to think I've got all figured out. I might be wrong. But IMO if you completely remove regular drones from supercarriers, nerf titan tracking to a point that those two would add nothing against subcaps, there isnt going to be any scenario that they would be handy or worth the risk. If it comes to that point, I'll unsub that account. I will not quit eve, but it is a shame that eve is becoming an MMO that you can win through CSM and/or posting hard enough on the forums.[quote=Samanta]
your kidding right ? first off this is not the goons of the sec BOB war. second ive seen many different power bloc field incredible amounts of dudes with ease. One thing for sure is a numbers game can be countered. There is no way to counter a un even playing field in the aquisiton of super carriers and such. and please dont say something to the aspects of all those shiny Supers were aquired through good upstanding methods |
Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:39:00 -
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Samanta Raiolaser wrote:Subtarian wrote:your kidding right ? first off this is not the goons of the sec BOB war. second ive seen many different power bloc field incredible amounts of dudes with ease. One thing for sure is a numbers game can be countered. There is no way to counter a un even playing field in the aquisiton of super carriers and such. and please dont say something to the aspects of all those shiny Supers were aquired through good upstanding methods So it all comes down to boting eh? Why dont you give us some of those pr0 statistics saying that 99,97% of all supercapitals were bought with bot/rmt isk cuz simply there isnt another way. No one can have more than 17mill isk without boting. You can also say that bot only works with russian clients, that could be one of the reasons..... But what you cant ever say is that group A realized that building an respectable supercap fleet is an expensive/time consuming but effective way to fight, while group B for w/e reason didnt. Now the easiest, most effective way to kill all supers is to make them unsub supercap pilots due to lack of situations that they can be useful.
I dont think I ever stated a percentage ...because I dont know it. I dont know how many Super were aquired through legal and illegal means. And botting in the drone lands produce compounds that produce minerals theres no need to change that into isk. but what I can say like I stated it before is that Group A jumped head first into a FOTM and knew that is was overpowered and reaped the benefits of doing so while group B didnt and suffered for not doing so. Now that The FOTM is being balanced group A shouldnt complain because common F*****G sense would've told them that this was inevitable . They choose to reap the benefits for that given time, they took the gamble for the immediate benefit ! So now dont come crying because its getting balanced. Its no different then group B not being able to complain for loosing countless system because they didnt do it first. |
Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:50:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:Lol Subtarian so group A correctly predicts the 2nd most expensive and 2nd hardest to train (if not hardest to train due to immense drone skills 20m+) biggest ships in the game would be very powerful in groups. Lots of people see this ship as the best for the multiple uses and circumstances, so it becomes FOTM for the vets, therefor because some noobs havnt had time to train for them and cant beat these skilled vets they cry that their ships are OP, your argument seems to be flawless.
Umm. there was no prediction involved you act like there isnt a TEST SERVER that shows you the changes before they happen. Also there was no new skill to train for motherships besides fighter bomber. How can you say this was hard if u were training be a pro carrier pilot anyway. Immense drone skils...haha like those dont carry over from being a regular carrier pilot. it was harder training for the Naglfar than it was a super carrier. Once again your stating the price of the ship like it should guarantee you something extra cause you spent billions.
And to say that noobs are the ones complaining is really a pro aurgment. But i see you from raiden and would be group A..so i wouldnt expect you to like the change or admitt to the super carrier being overpowered ,just like I've been part of group B and would see the need for a change,and guess what Im no noob.
2nd hardest to train (if not hardest to train due to immense drone skills 20m+) ...had to laugh at this one again |
Subtarian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:47:00 -
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GRIEV3R wrote:Sigras wrote:John Hand wrote:Goose Sokarad wrote:Obsidian you want to keep supers a swiss army knife by giving them normal drones to deal with ANY situation which isnt balanced.
A 20bil isk ship should be able to deal with any situation, even if its to a limited degree. That is so wrong i dont even know where to begin. how many times do I have to say it? More expensive != More PowerfulSpecifically the largest ships must be weak to a ship smaller than itself otherwise why would anyone ever fly anything smaller? you've never flown a super, have you? When you invest 20 billion isk into a single ship, it DAMN WELL BETTER be more powerful than small ships. the existance of PLEX introduces an exchange rate to Eve. Isk now equals real money. For subcaps, the value of the ship in real money is so small it doesn't matter - $5, $10, something like that. Supercapital ships cross out of the realm of intangible pixels and join the real world of real money. A fully fitted Nyx is worth a couple thousand dollars of real money. A titan is worth almost $10,000. even a small mixed fleet of supers and titans represents over $100,000 of REAL MONEY. when you're talking about that kind of money, the rules of the game have to change. It is extremely unfair to supercap pilots who have invested that much time and money into the game to allow them to have their ships destroyed by a group of players who have not - at least in aggregate - invested similar time and money.
First off this is a game..Im going to say that one more freaking time " THIS IS A GAME " , it has nothing to do with how much these internet pixels cross over to real money. If you chose to use real money to help ur self aquire a Super Carrier Its you own DAMN fault. But dont you dare try and ruin my GAME because I view it as a GAME. You have no right to say that because you value your internet pixels as real money that you can have the GAME the way you want it. quit dammit and see how much worth you get out of it then.
comparing the GAME to real life military and now real money. Its a freaking game that needs to be balanced for everyone to enjoy not the selected few! |
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