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Suiteii
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:33:00 -
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I love the changes.
Even for small alliances, the natural escalation of a fight will be as follows:
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) engages subcap fleet B (SF-B)
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) drops triage carrier to support the fleet.
- Subcap fleet B (SF-B) drops dreadnought + carrier to counter triage carrier from SF-A
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) drops mothership to counter dreadnought + carrier from SF-B
- Subcap Fleet B (SF-B) drops titan to counter mothership.
This is how Eve was meant to be played.
Blobbing is an unforunate side-effect of Eve, but it happens. If you wanted even 10v10 fights matched isk for isk... you can try every other game on the market.
Having a mothership won't mean "I win" anymore. It's merely adding another tier to the escalation process.
As it is currently, you can just skipp this whole escalation process:
- SF-A warps in to SF-B
- SF-B drops a mothership.
- Over.
With the new changes, when SF-B drops its MOM, SF-A can still win with superior fighting ability/numbers |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:40:00 -
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Suiteii wrote:Blobbing is an unforunate side-effect of Eve, but it happens. If you wanted even 10v10 fights matched isk for isk... you can try every other game on the market.
zero2espect wrote:^^
if you think this is what is going to happen, i can't help you.
now what will happen is you will either see no supers or you will be dropped by 40 of them.
this is the kind of post which got us into this situation in the first place.
When someone drops 40 supercapitals to fight your one, you're going to lose. CCP isn't trying to nerf blobbing. Blobbing is a part of Eve.
CCP is only trying to stop those 40 supercarriers from being the answer to -every- situation. |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:57:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Suiteii wrote:I love the changes.
Even for small alliances, the natural escalation of a fight will be as follows:
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) engages subcap fleet B (SF-B)
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) drops triage carrier to support the fleet.
- Subcap fleet B (SF-B) drops dreadnought + carrier to counter triage carrier from SF-A
- Subcap fleet A (SF-A) drops mothership to counter dreadnought + carrier from SF-B
- Subcap Fleet B (SF-B) drops titan to counter mothership.
This is how Eve was meant to be played.
Blobbing is an unforunate side-effect of Eve, but it happens. If you wanted even 10v10 fights matched isk for isk... you can try every other game on the market.
Having a mothership won't mean "I win" anymore. It's merely adding another tier to the escalation process.
As it is currently, you can just skipp this whole escalation process:
- SF-A warps in to SF-B
- SF-B drops a mothership.
- Over.
With the new changes, when SF-B drops its MOM, SF-A can still win with superior fighting ability/numbers Are you a noob? Have you ever been in a 0.0 alliance? People don't deploy caps (much less supers) as you just outlined. It simply does not happen that way. lol..........
Exactly. They drop MOMs because there's no point to anything else.....
PS. Yes. I fought in the NC war. As per the last part of my post. Fights were decided by who had more supercaps under the cyno blocker.
Edit: in case it wasnt clear. With these changes it's actually possible for a subcap fleet to go in under a cyno blocker, and take out said blocker without a fleet of MOMs/titans to **** your face. |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:39:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Do you deny that these changes will force even more Blobbing with massive, face-crushing subcap "support" blobs to support the rich "Knights and Lords" in their supers?
Tippia, I want to hear you deny that once from your own lips, so I can make you eat crow in 6 months.
So you're admitting that these changes will bring subcaps back into the playing field without completely removing supercapitals from the fight.
Sounds like balance, to me. |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:56:00 -
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar wrote: It began to appear that it would tend to attract additional accounts in one form or another because of the relative shift of advantage to sub-caps (which require less training time), and then I thought, well, who would profit from that? Certainly not Dread or Titan pilots. The answer I came up with is that CCP is the potential winner, as more accounts in the game would tend to offer more opportunity for paid subscriptions, especially from new pilots unable to generate enough income to use in-game plex.
It's easy to get behind the "I hate corporations" bandwagon, but believe it or not the player base and CCP are closely tied in this matter. When CCP is successful, more accounts are created, and the current players of Eve have more fun.
I don't see how you think that by CCP making money, it's somehow a bad thing for us... |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:18:00 -
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Ammath wrote:Coming out with less than 20-30 SCs to help keep you alive and do over whelming damage will be near suicide
What makes the number of GÇÿtwenty to thirtyGÇÖ SCs so much more powerful than 15 SCs? Or 10 SCs? I think what you really mean to say is, GÇÿif you donGÇÖt vastly outnumber your opponentGÇÖs SC count, your alliance will not deploy their ownGÇÖ.
And how is that any different from how the game is currently?
As a smaller alliance (currently), I donGÇÖt see a difference between a major alliance dropping 10 SCs as opposed to 20-30. Either way, you may as well have the old Titan AoE doomsday.
But for this I can see your logic. If the deployment of SCs is dependent on the number of SCs being greater than your opponent, then every SC pilot will flock to the alliance with the most SCs.
But so what? If SCs are no longer the GÇÿswiss-army capGÇÖ as Vilerat so eloquently put it, having the most SCs is really only a means of protecting them and doesnGÇÖt project a power-blocGÇÖs influence over a region.
If somebody wanted to use their SC in relative safety, I think they need a reality check.
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