Just curious, when they boosted them the first time, you didn't ask for them to cost 100b instead of 10b?

And does your abbadon cost 85billion isk? you are tackled by a ship of the same value, then thats fair game. If your in a titan your net dies and some random dictors finds you before you disaapear you are then stuck there being held by a ship that cost 30 million isk..

its hardly the same is it?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArVlisPcgSHddGFZRGtwZ3YyT3dSUDB2YmJvQ053a2c&authkey=CKSKi7sL#gid=23

I even build for blues (but not for you, just because).

Im not talking about an ISP, EVE is renowned in large fleet fights for random DC`s followed by staring at entering space for hours while the servers decide whether to log you in or not. As for flying what I cant afford to lose then think again.

Fact is that eve is notoriuos for crashing in large fleet fights so whats your answer to that? Are we supposed to just swallow the usual CCP BS " our logs show nothing out of the ordinary followed by the standard copy paste petition response because no body actually bothers to look into a petition , more likely they just like to put it to the side and hope it goes away!

if you are going to fly a officer fit abaddon worth 85bill then please please for the love of god come visit so I can dd you before the nerf!

Already posted here twice, how I killed six Fighters for a Nyx while I was alone in a Nighthawk. Somehow I wish I had frapsed it, would've been awsome to post that as a counter-argument in this thread. It might be because I'm a super-pilot myself, but when you know how Fighters function you can easily kite them around and thus completely neglegt their damage output.

Since people are being stubborn and-/or stupid, I'll give a hint: they're slow and not very agile. If you have enough speed/maneuverability, especially combined with multiple on-grid bookmarks or objects to warp to, it's not even hard to "tank" 20 Fighters in a semi-decent BC. I reccon a BS would have alot more issues tho, unless a Machariel, you'd be too slow and not agile enough. But there's the rock/scissor/paper, and the TL;DR is that my solo BC-hull was tanking a Nyx' Fighters perfectly fine. Obviously I stayed out of neut/pointrange, I could not point him anyway so even less reason to do.

SERIOUSLY LETS PAY ATTENTION REALLY QUICK.


AN 900 MILLION ISK CARRIER CAN LAUNCH 10 WARRIOR 2'S TO DEFEND ITSELF FROM A SABER






BUT



AN 18 BILLION ISK SUPER CARRIER CAN'T.


That sounds fair and balanced and normal to everybody here that makes this game?

To be very clear, I do not own a supercarrier, and do not care about them whatsoever, I'm just trying to make sure we're all working with the same amount of sanity.

You do realize that JFs and Freighters are industrial haulers right ? Not combat ships ?

Carrier = Can launch standard drones
SUPERCarrier = Cant?
When you make a super version of something you generally try to not make it worse than its standard counterpart.

Then you bright a few bombers, just a handful will easily do.
Edit; Oh and I should add in that I'm not saying game should be balanced around 1v1. I'm just highlighting for stupid people who are whining their 40 subcaps die to a solo mothership (there's quite a few people whining about scenarious in here, and they want fighters nerfed based on that) is frankly - bad players. If one guy easily can dodge 20 fighters, and if two-three hics easily can rotate points to dodge ecm drones/fighters, ecm burst and neuts, then a proper subcap fleet need to get a clue rather than whining because they don't know how to play the game.

How does any of what you said explain why they didn't chisel in a 25m3 drone bay on such a massive ship?

actually my friend, 6 well places well aimed bombs can take out a whole wing of FB and fighters, trust me, i have seen if from the stealth bomber chair and the nyx chair. it sucks to watch all 400 mil of my FB disappear

no i understand, a good warrior is one who controls his environment, thats the quiet calm stealth FC...me....and he sets all his pilots up on their warp in warp out points, he then counts it down, they al de-cloak, launch at the SAME target, at the same time..all go off at the same time all on target. u will kill the drones....I.E...all drones around a ihub...beautiful. shoot at the ihub, all the drones will take the hit. or many of them. stealth bombing is very very much about piloting skill.

yes many of them were as they were all on the ihub trying to blow it up. however little known fact is that the FB sig radius goes up HUGELY when a super pilot recalls them and the MWD turns on...

so my SB squad launched bombs, super cap pilots panic and recall fighters,MWD turns on, bombs travel 30km and detonate. in the path of the retreating FB wings and fire works take place. but 6 well placed bombs on the FB as the are shooting the target does very large damage to them. i am very sad when i see incomming bombs, thinking about all those damn letters i have to write to the families of my dead FB pilots. but i digress i do not call them back so as they donot increase their damage intake with MWD sig penatly. i have lost plenty of fighter bombers, fighters and drones to stealth bomber, the pilots in the SB just have to know what they are doing.

do not troll me. do not mock me. cause and effect here is simple.
a steal bomber wing can control when a super carrier panics and recalls his drones. simply by decloaking and launching his payload. no SC carrier pilot wants to watch all hi DPS go poof, and a great many of them dont know that by recalling them they are allowing them to take more damage then they may have. cause and effect. i have been extremely polite up to this point, lets keep it that way, 34 bombs would be very difficult to field against a super cap fleet since MORE then 6 bombs at a time and they will destroy themselves.

I want also the Drone Skills for my Levi titan back ...

so the T2 Heavys / Sentrys are not longer needed ...
sou you can delete all the trained drone skills and give the SPs back !!!
to train this Drones cost a lot of time ... and this time is wasted with this fuc**** patch

or better , let me dock so i can refine the titan

I am well aware that eve doesn't have an end game, and that eve is not all about having the best ships etc.
But.. Eve does have a chain of skills.. Ie. you need frigate before you can move on to cruisers etc.

So.. If CCP doesn't want you to follow these "skill-trees", they have programed this game very badly.

If you follow the skill tree, you will at some point, have perfected what you need to jump into a super-cap - and if what you say is true, that eve is not, at all, about having the best ships, then why have different ships at all?
If EVE is not about skilling up, getting better ships, getting better mods for your ship, then why even bother making t2 mods? Either, the CCP wants you to get better "gear" over time, or they are worse programmers than my old kindergarden class. (adding t2 code, models, etc by a mistake, thats a new one :))

I believe that CCP wants you to get more skillpoints and with those, get access to better mods, ships etc. Now, by nerfing the best ships in the game, to a point where they aint worth skilling for, they also remove that part of the skill-tree..

So why, would they bother make these ships, code the code, make the models.. But them in the "end" of the skill tree wich they have also made.. Just to nerf them so they wouldnt be worth using at all..

That must be either a brainfart from CCP, or evidence that CCP is listening too much to certain players who does not have a super-cap fleet.. Just sayin...

Lets use a covert ops for a case example.

You are in a super, I am in a buzzard.
I happen to know that your safe is close to planet 4 and you are cloaked (I saw you on directional while you were in warp, and narrowed the band down etc.)
I cloak up and wait. I have my probes out, and off grid of you, but tuned into, say 1AU. With good skills, the moment you log, i can move the probes over to Planet 4, and scan. Then I warp to you from my SS close to Planet 4. I can get to you in far less then the 1 min before your ship goes away. I then hit you with one gun, or a nuet. Now all i have to do, is love tap you every 10 mins to insure that you do not despawn. I now wait until my corp members come home from work, my alliance form's up, everyone takes a leak, goes out for a smoke, checks Reddit, etc. Then they come in, and we kill your ship.
Or, you bump outside the POS shields, same thing, I just wait until you are outside of gun range of the POS, and give you a poke every 10mins. Hell, I could even cloak up for 9 of those 10mins (or 14 of the 15mins if i for some reason wanted to risk it)

It doesnt matter that I can not tackle you, but it does prevent you logging, and staying right where you are for as long as I'd like you to. Until downtime.
People will soon meta downtime a WHOLE lot more then they already do. Huge fleet fights timed perfectly where the target goes into reinforced, or dies moments before DT.

There are a lot of reasons why this is bad, and a lot of ways it can still be fixed. A 30min timer vs a 15 min timer would work for instance.

I mean, in real life for example GÇ£BismarckGÇ¥ didnGÇÖt have any trouble spanking smaller class vessels.

Therefore I only suggest following small changes that would make the game feel more real;