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Chokichi Ozuwara Lucky Dragon Convenience 480	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it? inb4 bad posts inb4 people who like to bump inb4 station games are worse Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Whitehound 473	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:59:00 - [2] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it? inb4 bad posts inb4 people who like to bump inb4 station games are worse I am guessing that this is to avoid congestion at undocks, but not necessarily to protect your ship from harm. Inappropriate signature removed. - The Pope, BBC, CIA and CCP, but not Chuck Norris!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12806	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:06:00 - [3] - Quote IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Whitehound 473	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:10:00 - [4] - Quote Tippia wrote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? He is asking and not saying that it is. Inappropriate signature removed. - The Pope, BBC, CIA and CCP, but not Chuck Norris!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12806	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:14:00 - [5] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Tippia wrote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? He is asking and not saying that it is. GÇªand I'm asking why would it be, since he's a bit unclear on the reason for asking that question. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 573	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:19:00 - [6] - Quote The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
wallenbergaren Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote Afaik you don't have collision during the invuln period
piecakes's brother Blunderbuss Trade Co 8	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:30:00 - [8] - Quote This is very simple... A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petetioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now... Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this... How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesnt happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them.
QSD Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:45:00 - [9] - Quote Unless CCP has changed something drastically, you couldn't be bumped during invulnerability timer. Something tells me it's still the case, so I am guessing that you got killed while playing undock games and are now trying to rationalize the loss.
QSD Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:47:00 - [10] - Quote piecakes's brother wrote: This is very simple... A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petetioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now... Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this... How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesnt happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them. If you'll kill (or try to) something/someone, you can bump it. If you're bumping them just to annoy them, you can get petitioned and GM will send you a nasty notification. Been like that for a very long time.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3563	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:50:00 - [11] - Quote Burden of proof is on whoever wants to say that it's an exploit, not on those who say it isn't. So unless there's some indication that it should be an exploit, there's no reason whatsoever to say that it is. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 616	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:55:00 - [12] - Quote Quote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 311	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:56:00 - [13] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one. This.
Vincent R'lyeh Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 109	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:00:00 - [14] - Quote OP is bumphurt?
Hazzard Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 22	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:01:00 - [15] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it? inb4 bad posts inb4 people who like to bump inb4 station games are worse Lol this has been in the game since beta. I used to outfit geddons to bump, we called them bumpageddons. It needs to stay. When people play the undock/dock games it's the only way to kill them. And it's so much fun.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12811	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:01:00 - [16] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer. Exactly. That's why I had to ask. I got the distinct impression that he's asking about a method that doesn't actually exist because the mechanics don't work that way, and that he's heard or seen something that's essentially a misunderstanding of those mechanics. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3324	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:09:00 - [17] - Quote Tippia wrote: Kahega Amielden wrote: there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer. Exactly. That's why I had to ask. I got the distinct impression that he's asking about a method that doesn't actually exist because the mechanics don't work that way, and that he's heard or seen something that's essentially a misunderstanding of those mechanics. Clearly regardless of what is actually happening, you should always ask CCP to protect you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Dark Drifter Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote piecakes's brother wrote: This is very simple... A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petitioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now... Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this... How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesn't happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them. the GM warned you to stop because you was harassing other members of eve, they petitioned you for it. you was not threatened with a ban because you bumped ships. you got threatened for individual harassment
Lyrrashae Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 418	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:30:00 - [19] - Quote So what did you lose OP, and can I has the rest of your stuffs? In irae, veritas.
Cherry Delight Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:36:00 - [20] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it? inb4 bad posts inb4 people who like to bump inb4 station games are worse INB4 ISD Type 40 also HTFU
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 428	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:43:00 - [21] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Quote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer. But who holds the timer? Client side? Server side? The involvement of a timer makes this bumping different than gate/miner bumping. I will try and bump suspects playing station games out of dock range. To date I really suck at it. OP, please tell me who killed you so I can take some notes. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
RubyPorto Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2480	Posted - 2013.01.26 23:48:00 - [22] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Kahega Amielden wrote: Quote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer. But who holds the timer? Client side? Server side? The involvement of a timer makes this bumping different than gate/miner bumping. I will try and bump suspects playing station games out of dock range. To date I really suck at it. OP, please tell me who killed you so I can take some notes. You're invulnerable for 30 seconds upon undocking. You can re-dock after 10 seconds. I have never known someone to fail to load grid for the full 30 seconds of invulnerability. The invulnerability prevents anything from affecting you. Including bumps. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3330	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:47:00 - [23] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Kahega Amielden wrote: Quote: IDGIGÇª Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect. As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer. But who holds the timer? Client side? Server side? The involvement of a timer makes this bumping different than gate/miner bumping. I will try and bump suspects playing station games out of dock range. To date I really suck at it. OP, please tell me who killed you so I can take some notes. You're invulnerable for 30 seconds upon undocking. You can re-dock after 10 seconds. I have never known someone to fail to load grid for the full 30 seconds of invulnerability. The invulnerability prevents anything from affecting you. Including bumps. It happened to some of us during Burn Jita. Too much ~action~ on the undock. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3571	Posted - 2013.01.27 01:29:00 - [24] - Quote The worst part about Burn Jita for me was the infinite criminal timer. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2159	Posted - 2013.01.27 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: It happened to some of us during Burn Jita. Too much ~action~ on the undock. That's what she said :P
Chokichi Ozuwara Lucky Dragon Convenience 480	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:24:00 - [26] - Quote I can confirm that I have been bumped within 10 seconds of undock, targeted and killed. I am not butthurt about it, but I am curious why CCP provides invulnerability, and then allows bumping off the undock WHILE still under invulnerability. I am pretty sure I have seen this when hanging with RvB too. Just seems to me, you're either protected on the undock, or you're not. It shouldn't be that you're protected, but you're not. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2178	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:30:00 - [27] - Quote Dark Drifter wrote: piecakes's brother wrote: This is very simple... A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petitioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now... Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this... How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesn't happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them. the GM warned you to stop because you was harassing other members of eve, they petitioned you for it. you was not threatened with a ban because you bumped ships. you got threatened for individual harassment Because bumping someone once or twice is sustained harassment. No. It's because bumping is considered a viable tactic. It's only considered wrong if there is no potential for profit & that is classed as griefing. James 315 has gotten around this within the rules of the game. If you do something for profit, it's not griefing. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
ChYph3r Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore 93	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:32:00 - [28] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it? inb4 bad posts inb4 people who like to bump inb4 station games are worse Just quit eve now, gimme all your iskies and be gone. tear boy! http://evepodcasts.com PODSIDE Producer @chyph3r-á on Twitter
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 402	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:37:00 - [29] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: I can confirm that I have been bumped within 10 seconds of undock, targeted and killed. I am not butthurt about it, but I am curious why CCP provides invulnerability, and then allows bumping off the undock WHILE still under invulnerability. I am pretty sure I have seen this when hanging with RvB too. Just seems to me, you're either protected on the undock, or you're not. It shouldn't be that you're protected, but you're not. Have you tried to contact GMs on the matter? I'm pretty sure that normal bups, targeting and the like doesn't happen on undocking. Would be nice to have some comments on this matter coming from GMs or people in similar position. If invulnerability timer dropping for no good reason immideately isn't what is supposed to happen, then you probably could petition such occurences.
ChYph3r Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore 93	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:42:00 - [30] - Quote Here's the deal you care bear empire dwelling turds, NO AREA IN EVE SPACE is SAFE, this includes empire so get used to it. If you don't like it go back to playing with your WOW panda bears. PS Gimme all your sh*t before you leave i take all donations seriously. http://evepodcasts.com PODSIDE Producer @chyph3r-á on Twitter

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