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AKilla Sunday Brigada 81 Mecanizata 19	Posted - 2013.01.27 19:41:00 - [1] - Quote I will be away from eve for about 1 year. I'm holding 785b in ISK atm and will probably hit 1t once I liquidate some assets and some jobs complete. I'm looking to invest that isk so it will be worth at least the same proportionally when and if I come back to eve. Good advices will be rewarded.
Claire Coffee Coffee Inc 28	Posted - 2013.01.27 19:56:00 - [2] - Quote Now that's a lot of money. :-) I don't see any commodity that would be worth investing into without substantial risk of devaluation except for PLEX which has seen a steady growth over the years, but again you never know what's on CCP's mind. I would suggest delegating your assets to a secure fund-manager (or even several) that would reinvest and keep an eye on market tendencies. There are several around as I know. DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy
Illest Insurrectionist The Scope Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.01.27 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote Tier one battleships would be my suggestion. In the last several re-balances the mineral costs of ships has gone to the center/high end of the range. This has been for barges, frigs, cruisers and now battle-cruisers. While the speculation for battle-cruisers is well underway the speculation for battleships hasn't begun. The battleships are set to be changed in the middle of the year. Certainly the battleship market would easily allow you to invest a large chunk of that money.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 821	Posted - 2013.01.27 20:09:00 - [4] - Quote I would normally never do this here, but Mynnna was feeling peckish I guess and linked this in chat. A lot of this depends on how fast you want to liquidate when you return, but in general. 300B in BS, Tier1's 100B into Megacyte 100B into Zydrine 100B in Guidance Systems 50-100 in Planetary Vehicles Whatever else you liquidate dump into PLEX as a hedge. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Saveritrader Sav Trading 1	Posted - 2013.01.27 20:52:00 - [5] - Quote I'm a good investment... ;-)
forestwho Foonfleet Investment Banking 36	Posted - 2013.01.27 21:23:00 - [6] - Quote Current battleships speculation is like what? Tier 3 Bs cost like 130 mil? 3 hours of carebearing meh dunno if they increase too much
Cooyaw Cajun Fast Mart 11	Posted - 2013.01.27 21:26:00 - [7] - Quote I'd give my money to Grendell or Chribba or VV, purely based on what i've read as a lurker for the past few years
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 144	Posted - 2013.01.27 22:05:00 - [8] - Quote forestwho wrote: Current battleships speculation is like what? Tier 3 Bs cost like 130 mil? 3 hours of carebearing meh dunno if they increase too much Buy BPO"s lock them down and get a friend to do stuff with it. If you need such a friend you can send me an eve mail and i will figur out a proposition. Scam proof on your side, and profitable for both. First off, Tier 3 BS cost ~240mil. And that's 1 hour of carebearing for lots of us. Tier 1 BS cost ~85,90mil. How can you expect to be taken seriously if you don't even know how much basic stuff costs? And why in the world would he ever want your help, if you have proven you are so inaccurate with details? Now, if he DID use someone like you to research/produce off the blueprints, he is not making as much isk as he can. Most blueprints, people only care about them being researched up to a certain point, and wont pay extra with them being researched beyond that point. With the exception of titan BPOs, I don't believe there is any other BP in the game that would be (profit for resale wise) worth researching beyond 6-8 months. Therefore, to get money out of having them for over that period, copies would need to be produced, or production would need to be done off of them, in both cases, you, or the other party, would be expecting the lions share, claiming to be 'doing all the work'. More realistically though, what forestwho is offering to do, is have you buy a huge pile of bpos, start a corporation with him, with you as the ceo, then lock down all the bpos. Then, after you not logging in for, about a month, forestwho files a petition that you have gone inactive, and he is either told to wait a little longer, or is granted permission to start a vote for a new ceo. He then takes control of the corp, unlocks all the bpos, and viola, your assetts become his. No, if you want to do an investment that isn't some knockoff troll trying to scam you, like what was said before; Battleships, High end minerals, Under-cost PI all seem solid.
Trader CiCi Jack of all skills 6	Posted - 2013.01.27 22:16:00 - [9] - Quote plex/Aur 100/500/1000 dust 514 Here's how I think of my money -- as soldiers -- I send them out to war everyday. I want them to take prisoners and come home, so there's more of them." - Kevin O'Leary/Shark Tank
Kara Books Deal with IT. 347	Posted - 2013.01.27 23:08:00 - [10] - Quote Procurers, if you can manage to find them 6M isk or below, AKA, ask around, 10K of them. wait 3-6 months resale at 10M isk wholesale. or 12-20M isk once the othe 30-60K get used up. -- Battlecruiser hulls, whatever is selling breakpoint mineral prices cheep will work. -- Faction POS's they dont drop any more. -- I have a gut feeling trit may go up in price, by about 20-50%, Its just a gut feeling, might be worth to stock up on a few bill isk worth and then just wait for a Major event of some sort. -- Most importantly, Invest a little bit in everything, Diversify diversify diversify, I cannot stress this enough.

Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 1089	Posted - 2013.01.27 23:55:00 - [11] - Quote Aryth wrote: 50-100 in Planetary Vehicles Wasn't the goon advice a few months ago to buy GS instead of PV cause PV was much more spread around amongst people? heh If there's any left at a decent price that's where I'd also put more of my ISK. Plus I'd get to cash in earlier. Nyan
Ymir Esubria Concordiat Spaceship Samurai 23	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:02:00 - [12] - Quote Considering the tiericide, I'd personally go for T1 BS. With the extra mineral addition that came with the tiericide for barges and cruisers and such, it's pretty much guaranteed to rise in price. Also, T1 BC's might still be a very good investment. While speculation has obviously started already, there will be a finite supply of pre-tiericide BC's which will, inevitably, run out. Considering that you'll be gone for a year and BC tiericide is coming next, I'd say that BC's will have the most time in which to rise in price. T1 BS's on the other hand are still relatively far off. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530 The tiericide devblog which gives more info. I'd probably actually go into BS and BC's myself, and not just BS as I said above. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74169 Mineral index dev post, might give you an idea of possible mineral investments. Personally I'm not convinced with PLEX as an investment. This might be just my relative inexperience, but with prices dropping at the moment and looking at a recent 100 bil investment using PLEX as collateral (See here ) and the discussion there, I'm personally less inclined to favour PLEX. Pure mineral investment could also be worth a shot, for the long term at least. Quoting from the dev post: Quote: Nocxium, Isogen and Zydrine prices contributed most to the rise in the MPI. The prices of these three minerals rose by 17%, 20% and 26% respectively. The price of Morphite rose by 33% in the period, even though it is not used in the production of the new or modified ships. On the other hand, the prices of Tritanium, Pyerite and Mexallon were very lightly affected. Only Isogen and Morphite show a notable increase in traded volume between months. The increase is 17% for Isogen and 20% for Nocxium. Traded volume of other minerals remains stable or even falls, as is the case for Zydrine and Megacyte. I'll expand if/when I think of more. http://evebyymir.blogspot.nl/
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 144	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:15:00 - [13] - Quote Kara Books wrote: Procurers, if you can manage to find them 6M isk or below, AKA, ask around, 10K of them. wait 3-6 months resale at 10M isk wholesale. or 12-20M isk once the othe 30-60K get used up. "Not playing for 1 year" "Wait 3-6 months then resale" Why in the world would you give him advice to come back and resale in 3-6 months if he is quitting for a year. You know, hence the 1 year afk part... This makes my brain hurt. It's a good investment, but I fail to see any rational logical reason to come back and resell them in 3-6 months at (8m, if they go that high in that time frame) instead of in a year, when they have risen further. Kara Books wrote: Battlecruiser hulls, whatever is selling breakpoint mineral prices cheep will work. Tier3 battlecruiser hulls are not increasing Tier 2 are only increasing by 8-12% Tier 1 are increasing much more, but none are selling at or even close to mineral prices currently. Therefore, this is not a valid option. Price will drop from what they are currently selling, after patch, then slowly rise back to a bit higher than it is 6-12 months from now. If you want to capitalize, you missed the 'buy a ton cheap boat', and need to hop on the 'build a metric fcukton' boat. Kara Books wrote: I have a gut feeling trit may go up in price, by about 20-50%, Its just a gut feeling, might be worth to stock up on a few bill isk worth and then just wait for a Major event of some sort. Many of us are predicting a decrease in the price of trit. Mineral prices have been bloated for some time, and are finally starting to go down a bit, on the low ends. With procurers, frigates, cruisers, and soon to be battlecruisers, then battleships all not worth building, that means less use for low end minerals. Additionally, in spite of the capital fight yesterday, super capitals are not being destroyed in any significant fashion. I can't see then, why minerals like trit and pyerite would do anything but drop. Especially if CCP ever bothers to act on fixing industry in 0.0, or at least buffing it for the winter expansion. Cannot in good faith reccomend that you invest in low end minerals. High ends, definitely, low ends, nope.
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 1	Posted - 2013.01.28 01:22:00 - [14] - Quote Aryth wrote: I would normally never do this here, but Mynnna was feeling peckish I guess and linked this in chat. A lot of this depends on how fast you want to liquidate when you return, but in general. 300B in BS, Tier1's 100B into Megacyte 100B into Zydrine 100B in Guidance Systems 50-100 in Planetary Vehicles 20b Jerry Pepridge Whatever else you liquidate dump into PLEX as a hedge. 3000 BS will take a while to sell i think. Can't fault above advice tbh, bear in mind it would probably take you a year++++ to sell all this crap anyway. I expect Zydrine to peak at about 1800-1900
Debra Tao Perkone Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.01.28 09:12:00 - [15] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Tier3 battlecruiser hulls are not increasing Tier 2 are only increasing by 8-12% Tier 1 are increasing much more, but none are selling at or even close to mineral prices currently. Therefore, this is not a valid option. Price will drop from what they are currently selling, after patch, then slowly rise back to a bit higher than it is 6-12 months from now. I think your estimate of "6-2 months" is way off. People actuallly fly those ships and will probably fly them even more after the patch. And the get blown up, hence the need to replace them... Not like procurers. Arronicus wrote: Many of us are predicting a decrease in the price of trit. Ah ? I am not sure... I don't think your arguments are good here whereas Corestwo has had much more convincing arguments (old data from CCP, comsumption...) in favor of an increase in trit/pyerite price.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3748	Posted - 2013.01.28 09:31:00 - [16] - Quote I am not sure about Zydrine and Mega, at least not on a 100B scale each. Large profits can be made about twice a year but with careful picking of these "windows of opportunity". If the OP wants to buy today and just dump the stock when he/she returns then he might have to wait some months. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
P3po Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens 20	Posted - 2013.01.28 11:26:00 - [17] - Quote Is it possible to get 1 trillion ISK and knows nothing about what is worth investing etc. ? :D
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 144	Posted - 2013.01.28 11:34:00 - [18] - Quote P3po wrote: Is it possible to get 1 trillion ISK and knows nothing about what is worth investing etc. ? :D Well sure! There a multitude of different ways! Plex Theft Life-destoying ratting/plexs for years See above but replace with mining (some people use 10+ hulks at a time in 0.0) Not that I'd reccomend any of the above. Nor do I think anyone has probably ratted 500b let alone 1tril isk cumulative in their time in eve, but maybe. There are some pretty old bots out there.
Dave Stark 1747	Posted - 2013.01.28 11:47:00 - [19] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Kara Books wrote: Procurers, if you can manage to find them 6M isk or below, AKA, ask around, 10K of them. wait 3-6 months resale at 10M isk wholesale. or 12-20M isk once the othe 30-60K get used up. "Not playing for 1 year" "Wait 3-6 months then resale" Why in the world would you give him advice to come back and resale in 3-6 months if he is quitting for a year. You know, hence the 1 year afk part... This makes my brain hurt. It's a good investment, but I fail to see any rational logical reason to come back and resell them in 3-6 months at (8m, if they go that high in that time frame) instead of in a year, when they have risen further. kara is a sitting on a stash of procurers she can't get rid of. she's posting "buy procurers" everywhere. just point and laugh. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Zendon Taredi Doodus Exploration Corporation 26	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:13:00 - [20] - Quote Pyerite!

AKilla Sunday Brigada 81 Mecanizata 19	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:24:00 - [21] - Quote Turns out I've been sitting on more than i what I initially thought and peaked 1.4T after clearing wallets from all my pilots and corps. From what I gathered from the feedback in this thread I will go ahead and invest the majority of it in T1 BS's while rest will go into PI and high end minerals. Some isk will also go to charity. For those concerning themselves with the provenience of the isk : vast majority comes from manufacturing on I dare not say how many accounts, dot connection in all major trade hubs, null sec trading, presence in all major FW markets (very lucrative) and various forms of manipulating different items in Jita. I started with around 15 bill in the 7th month of 2012. No chest pumping or showing of my ***** intended just letting people know there's more ISK to be made for way less time investment and/or micromanaging then any PVP or PVE activity (xept the old FW system). Hardest part is to setup your system and find the synergy between your accounts, your available eve time and some other minor factors and tweaks. TYVM for the replies most of them where great and some not so much. Hope to be able to come back to eve, if that fails everything will be donated to charity.
Saveritrader Sav Trading 1	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:30:00 - [22] - Quote Wow. That's a lot of ISK. Edit: you should read the CSM meeting minutes and speculate on future plans if you're really away for a full year.
P3po Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens 21	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:50:00 - [23] - Quote That is why I find this interesting, you are trading and manufacturing guru who could make 1.4 trillion ISK from your 15B in 5 months .... and then you ask for advice about investments :D
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 1090	Posted - 2013.01.28 13:04:00 - [24] - Quote P3po wrote: That is why I find this interesting, you are trading and manufacturing guru who could make 1.4 trillion ISK from your 15B in 5 months .... and then you ask for advice about investments :D cough trading bots cough Nyan
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 330	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:10:00 - [25] - Quote AKilla Sunday wrote: I started with around 15 bill in the 7th month of 2012. No chest pumping or showing of my *** intended just letting people know there's more ISK to be made for way less time investment and/or micromanaging then any PVP or PVE activity (xept the old FW system). Hardest part is to setup your system and find the synergy between your accounts, your available eve time and some other minor factors and tweaks. seems like you know more about the market than 99% of us if you were able to make 1,4 trillion isk in just 6 month...I dont understand why such a tycoon would have to ask such a trivial question at all. Kara Books wrote:** Most importantly, Invest a little bit in everything, Diversify diversify diversify, I cannot stress this enough. wtf? shar'ra phone home
SinTeryx Seamless Industries 3	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:58:00 - [26] - Quote I think the biggest issue is those that are/have been doing speculation on a yearly basis are the ones making (or loosing) the most isk and don't want to just give up their hard work for everyone to hop on and most likely ruin their returns. That being said...find one of the big name players...give them the isk and ask for a low interest rate. I am sure there is someone out there willing to invest all that isk :) -Sin
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 822	Posted - 2013.01.28 15:40:00 - [27] - Quote Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Aryth wrote: 50-100 in Planetary Vehicles Wasn't the goon advice a few months ago to buy GS instead of PV cause PV was much more spread around amongst people? heh If there's any left at a decent price that's where I'd also put more of my ISK. Plus I'd get to cash in earlier. Not that I know of. I have never given advice outside of the collective until now, though I suppose someone else may have. I dislike procurers as we know how much is out there, and it is a stupid stupid amount. Not that it is a bad investment, it just sounds more like he wants to come back and be able to liquidate a large portion of his ISK for usage. I could be misreading his intention, but if he wants 50%of capital back within a couple months cashout, minerals/ships/pi/plex are solid bets. Spreading the cashout across all of those means he gets his ISK back quick. Zyd/Mega because any null revamp almost certainly has to fix anom mining somehow. BS fairly easy cashouts when you look at ISK/day he can get out of them. PI far less so, but that is where the big returns will come in general. So a nice mix of fast cashout and high % hits. Full Disclosure, about half that list I am in now, or would be in, in the same timeframe as the OP. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
AKilla Sunday Brigada 81 Mecanizata 19	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:08:00 - [28] - Quote Aryth wrote: stuff Indeed I am not in a hurry to cash out when the year has passed and will only need enough cash in hand to fuel my system if I feel I still need that ''one more billion and I'm out" and to equip my loot pinatas pvp alter egos. Nor should I be worried if cashing out relatively fast is my plan since I foresee great things happening for BS's with the next revamp ... Lastly for the negative folks posting I never said I was any kind of tycoon, I don't even know how to - nor have I ever bothered to - make my own spreadsheets. My only tools are some user friendly outside of game spreadsheet like tools for my shopping lists, windows calculator, windows wordpad and ye old thinking on the edges of the box. Thanks goes out to all the good stuff passed here and all the 'can I have your stuff'' type'o mails, they where quite entertaining and some presented some very interesting arguments. Cheers
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 77	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:06:00 - [29] - Quote All plex
Cooyaw Cajun Fast Mart 12	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:13:00 - [30] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: All plex or that



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