The cloaky locks down systems.

The majority of players are sane, so they dock and or log day after day.

It's so completely wrong that an inactive / afk player can be effectively invulnerable to active players and only vulnerable AFTER they have done the damage.

Would you put a revolver to your head and play Russian roulette?

can't fight them, but you can die to them.

It's been talked of so many times.

The cloaky locks down systems. Over and over again. They are imbalanced. The damage they can and do, far outweighs their possible personal loss when they are uncloaked to do the deed.

It's time this was sorted. It seriously screws with enjoyment of the game for far too many players.

The balance is the ability of players to have the definitive ability (if proppery fitted and trained) to actively find the cloaked player before they do something. Would you put a revolver to your head and play Russian roulette? The sane answer is no. Yet the cloaky sympathizers are effectively saying players should do so. The majority of players are sane, so they dock and or log day after day. How is this good for gameplay?

I agree this should take skills. But it should be readily doable.

It's so completely wrong that an inactive / afk player can be effectively invulnerable to active players and only vulnerable AFTER they have done the damage.

I'm getting sick of it as are other players who I'm watching give up on the game because of this crap. Can't find them, can't fight them, but you can die to them. Yay.

Two suggestions.

1) Old idea... high tech / skill destroyer that does what destroyers do. Find & detect subs. Or in this case, cloaky's.

2) Random thought that popped into my head... A command link that increases the scan strength or whatever of combat probes to make finding and dealing with them more doable. If the cloaky is active and see's the combat scanners out, they can bounce about to their safes or log off themselves. If afk or not actively scanning themselves, they are likely dead. Seems like balance to me.

Sort this **** out. Give us the realistic options that will be used to ACTIVELY play the game.

IF nothing else, I want a module to put on my cloaky ships that will shutdown the moon mining for a poss (that I can use while cloaked


This way when my ratting system gets camp I can go camp the offenders moon mining poss's and inflict damage much the same way that they do.

tbh the same thing that stops you ratting would prevent you getting within 10jumps of their moon.

Cloaky Camping is a lame tactic... but do you know what's more lame than them???

Nullbears that dock up and log off rather than adapting to the situation!!

Dealing with AFK cloakers is not very hard... you just have to be smart...
--- Use a BC to "rat"... it's not very blingy, it doesn't cost all that much, and they can fight back...
--- Fly in a group... Several ships can shred most recons... especially if they are stuck in place for 30 seconds...
--- Move to the system next door...
--- Stop sucking!

Yes switching from 35 mil in bounties + about 30mil in salvage every 20 minutes to

ratting in belts getting 2-4 mil every 20 in bounties is a feasible trade off (sarcasm)

EVEN IF we catch the cloaker, and kill him he loses what? at most 20mil for a covert ops ship and maybe 10 mil in fittings?

And how much do you make while docked or logged off?

And how much do you make while docked or logged off?

How much of your bounties would it take to convince a friend to fly an ECM ship as cover?
How much of your bounties is sacrificed by ratting in the system next door?
How long do you have to rat before you pay for your ship with the bounties you make? (you could look at ship loss as just part of the nullsec earning line)....

bait him so that when he attacks u and ur brosefs tackle him and blow him up. if he comes back, do it again...and again, until he stops coming back.

if u aren't prepared to attack the cloaker when he comes for u then u dnt belong in null sec, its as simple as that. u have no right to be able to rat in null sec without any risk. having help nearby to mitigate the risk of being attacked should be the standard.

I risk my ship ratting in null, you can easily log out at the station gates, and log in bubble them catch the people trying to safe up. or jump into the system and catch the people who dont see local fast enough.

But when the cloaker is most likely part of a large coalition, (lets say he is actually part of goonswarm - why goonswarm, because in mycase thats who it is-)

when the cloaker is a goon, and lets say you have 5 people in cruisers ready to pvp him when he engages (and scrams) suddenly your pvp fit ratting ships is surrounded by carriers or bridged a fleet in) what now?

u risk ur ship? but u instantly know when a bad guy is in local. trust me, the reason u hardly ever lose ur ratting ship in null is not 'because ur good'. its because there is so little risk. why do u think everyone is always telling u that null is safer than low sec?



have u even tried this? didnt think so.

if they cyno a fleet then why dnt u cyno ur own fleet in? why do u think its normal to be able to hold the most valuable space in the game without the need to defend it?

best solution is to remove local, and do not do anything about cloakers.

It is funny, cause i am never afk when i cloak in a bear system, it already gives me pleasure to see them dock up and not make any isk at all. I can make isk on an alt meanwhile....probably i am doing it wrong?



on and OP....stop crying here and quit eve. I can have your stuff.

ok I (a peon in my alliance) will somehow organize a counter-hotdrop, and have everyone on standby just for the possiblity that the afk cloaker is at his keyboard waiting for me to start ratting..... do you see how unreasonable that sounds.

I dont lose alot of ships ratting because, I pay attention. I have to pay attention to local to rat in nullsec and if I get up pour a drink or deal with a real life emergency I know that chance of me leaving my computer for just aminute may result in my demise.


I am content with how the system works right now, (I would just have a better game experience if I afk cloakers wherent so prominent)

ok I (a peon in my alliance) will somehow organize a counter-hotdrop, and have everyone on standby just for the possiblity that the afk cloaker is at his keyboard waiting for me to start ratting..... do you see how unreasonable that sounds.

I dont lose alot of ships ratting because, I pay attention. I have to pay attention to local to rat in nullsec and if I get up pour a drink or deal with a real life emergency I know that chance of me leaving my computer for just aminute may result in my demise.

I am content with how the system works right now, (I would just have a better game experience if I afk cloakers wherent so prominent)