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Lexington Cabot	Posted - 2003.07.14 10:12:00 - [1] Now I'm not sure if we will be able to play the Jove race, but which would you rather see.. The Jovians being a race you can play or a technology-driven NPC race bent on beating the other four? I know the known info about the race doesn't exactly support them declaring war on all other races but they are a mystery after all :) I'd like to see the second option.
Silmaril	Posted - 2003.07.14 10:22:00 - [2] From the jovian cd key bug from the initial release, I'd say that the Jove will be playable at some point. How this will be done though is a point for speculation. "Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men."
Lexington Cabot	Posted - 2003.07.14 10:25:00 - [3] hehe of course that's what's gonna happen, but just for the heck of it, which would you like to see? You meaning everyone :)
Silmaril	Posted - 2003.07.14 10:30:00 - [4] I'd like to see a few of the dedicated players have acces to the Jove race first. Make it a proper role play event. Have a few roleplayers and GMs play the first jovians to make first contact. Let them decide how first contact should go, and all the knock on effects that would bring. That would be cool. "Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men."
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:16:00 - [5] I don't care much for the Jove, they're just too good in my opinion. Maybe if they were balanced, add them. I would hate to see everyone drop what they're doing to simply use Jovian ships, I like the diversity we have right now. Why would they be borg like at all? Aren't the Jove supposed to be highly xenophobic? I'm sure the Jove will be added sooner or later but man I would love to see science skills, leadership skills, reverse engineering, and all that in first before a new race. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Carp Riddell	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:28:00 - [6] Personally would love to see them as interesting, nasty and powerful NPCs (plus significant characters played by GMs). Adding them as a player race would be a balancing nightmare. After all, if they're as 'ard as we seem to think they are, why would anyone want to play one of the current races? - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
Silmaril	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:28:00 - [7] I don't mean to be rude, Jim, but how can you say they're not balanced? Has anyone had any experience with the Jove (and I don't mean a sighting of a GM in one)? "Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men."
Khyle	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:29:00 - [8] In beta even the jove frigate skill was rank 12, so i guess not that many non-jovians would fly jove ships.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:50:00 - [9] From what I've seen on the Jove, their starting stats are superior to other races, and from the GM in a Jove ship screenshot, their frigates have the stats of cruisers. Now yes, their skills are insanely long to train but, eventually everyone would be using a Jove ship, leaving the other races technology quite useless. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Cannabis Sativa	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:52:00 - [10] Its been said by Devs, and Pann herself. Joves WILL eventually be a playable race, but I don't think its going to be a character you can just start off with.. What I mean is, if they are so damn powerful, do you think you will be able to make them right off the back? I think, after the Jove Key "Joke" that went and glitched, that a Jovian character will be a privaledge, an award. Be it to someone who has been around since Alpha Beta, or someone who has put their all into the community, or to oldschool players (by the time you are able to play Jovian, people who have played from Launch will be old..), etc. If they are accessible to anyone, then a pack of 5 Jovian frigates can easily wipe out a corporation like TTI (by this I'm pointing out the extensive size of TTI); if they knew what they where doing. So, IMO, I definetly think if you plan to play as a Jovian, do something to earn it. Ganja Co-CEO of Anarchy Syndicate EVE-DB Administrator (www.eve-db.com)
Silmaril	Posted - 2003.07.14 11:56:00 - [11] Isn't it a little bit of a Stretch to draw such conclusions from one spotted ship, flown by a GM, which could have had any of its stats altered to fit with what the GM's purpose was? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't just whack all the Jove stuff in, if it is that powerful, without there being some extremely negative side to it - other than skill training time. Saying that everyone will be in Jove ships is the same argument of everyone will eventually be in battleships, which is quite frankly wrong. A group of Frigates could have a battleship if it was unsupported by Frigates and Cruisers of its own. Just because the Jove frigate we saw appears to be better, it doesn't mean it will be. "Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men."
Minarii Tul'h	Posted - 2003.07.14 16:21:00 - [12] we keep hearing the role-played rumours of Jove saboteurs and imminent Jove invasion.. so they're not friendlies?
Nerhtal Al'Thali	Posted - 2003.07.14 16:32:00 - [13] locks on to jove ship presses alt+f1 alt+f2 alt+3 Nerhtal Al'Thali is trying to target jam jove ship voila, theres ways around everything in this game - EW is usually a non-lethal one...ive turned BS off before so i know its doable "Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play" Oveur "First in, last out" Bridgeburner Motto
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2003.07.14 16:33:00 - [14] Jovian face, body, hair, and clothes models are in the code of the game but not visible from character creation. I think that speaks for itself regarding the question of them being playable or not. Concord is in there too. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Avatar	Posted - 2003.07.14 16:46:00 - [15] i dont think just giving a jove char to some1 whom the devs have deemed as worthy is a good idea. However, i also dont think making them avaliable from start is a good idea either, due to the balancing issues that have already been mentioned. Maybe unlock them after an existing players character has at least a certain number of skill points, or has been alive for a certain amount of time. Or maybe the ability to play a jove character could be something somebody could purchase, but only with the help of a corp due to excessive cost. Just a few ideas, but i would like to see every1 ABLE to access the jove characters if theyr prepared to undergo some effort.
Spike Spiegel	Posted - 2003.07.14 17:08:00 - [16] Actually I "heard" that instead of MAKING a jove character at creation instead you can use bioimplants and genetic mutators to BECOME jovian. Whether this is true or not I have no idea but I think its a much better solution than actually adding a new race.
V'cassLord Daeth	Posted - 2003.07.15 06:36:00 - [17] I'm not sure where anymore, but during beta i also read that that players could only become jovians through implants etc... I have read nothing new in the last 2 and a half months however. It seems like implants are the most likely route to jove status. But who knows now...cpp has had a long time to change its mind and write new code.
Frakture	Posted - 2003.07.15 06:46:00 - [18] Boosters or implants anyone?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.15 06:48:00 - [19] I think people are asking the wrong question. Not "Can I be a Jovian?" but "What good will it be to become a Jovian?". Nobody has ever explained to me the good in becoming one Let's say 2 months from now, one of the 1st Dayers gets to become a Jovian. So he...what? Gets attribute bonuses? Won't do someone that old much good. Sure, might save on Titan lvl 5. But a lot of stats will already be maxed. He gets access to Jovian technology? ROFL! Lord Zap + Jovian Battleship = X. How can describe what 'X' is for us? Not to pick on Lord Zap in any way, however. I'd be hard pressed to find a reason to not to murder half the universe with super powerful technology. Roleplay possibilities? I can play an arrogant, sociopathic character right now (half of you will accuse me of the arrogance already, but s'kay). They get to create a new character? Whoa! Don't come near me with that brain sucking raygun, please! So before I become concerned about becoming a Jovian, can someone explain the benefits? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.07.15 06:59:00 - [20] um. jovians are more powerful then the other races. and isn't becoming more powerful everyone's basic goal in a game like this?
Elithiomel	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:04:00 - [21] The last news i heard on Jovians was that players who accumulated the necessary isk, skill levels, ratings etc. may be invited to become jovians. These levels were supposed to be so high that it should not happen for a long time after release. I do not know if this is still the case though. This was back in beta and may have changed. --------------------------------------------- Engineers motto; If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:18:00 - [22] << um. jovians are more powerful then the other races. and isn't becoming more powerful everyone's basic goal in a game like this? >> More powerful how? Attributes? Won't matter at that point. Getting better attributes as a starting character would be a hell of a benefit. But it won't even phase an established character. So what's left after that? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:21:00 - [23] what's left? ships, weapons, modules, etc.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:28:00 - [24] << what's left? ships, weapons, modules, etc. >> So you might get to drive a titan that more powerful than anyone elses? Aside from the entire "1 Man Deathstar" balance issue that's waiting there...Will it matter? So now you get to have access to a Jovian Titan and do what with it? Really mine the hell out of a solarsystem? Really smack the crap out of battleships you prolly already could beat with your normal skills and equipment? What's the benefit? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:32:00 - [25] if you don't see the benefit in it, then don't get one. no one is forcing jovian tech down your throat.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:34:00 - [26] << if you don't see the benefit in it, then don't get one. no one is forcing jovian tech down your throat. >> Why is it I suddenly suspect nobody knows what the benefits are for becoming a Jovian and how it will effect their current characters? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.07.15 07:38:00 - [27] because we can only guess at the benefits right now. and we're only expressing what should be only the most obvious benefits: higher stats and better equipment and ships. the truth is, we really don't know what the devs have in store for us, and i don't think they want us to know.
Richter Zorn	Posted - 2003.07.15 08:44:00 - [28] I would rather see that the Jove's were turned over to something like the Polaris program for good. This game, according to me, is seriously lacking in role-playing. This is natural, some people don't know how and some don't want to. But giving the Joves to the "most experienced" player, and according to what I have read is the one with most skills, money and ships. This will only result in a Jove given to some character like Stavr0s or Zap - whohoo how fun indeed. I don't think I need to clarify myself any further ...
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.07.15 08:54:00 - [29] It's the sheer coolness of being a Jovian that you get. If you find no benefits , then don't try to get a Jove character slot. It's an easter egg ;) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Ulendar	Posted - 2003.07.15 09:58:00 - [30] I can back-up Jim Raynors story here.. I two have seen Jovian ships. A jovian frigate, this was back in beta. My friend in his Tempest battleship ingaged it and it took quite a while for him to destroy it. I can second that Jovian frigates are as good if not better then our current cruisers. Putting Jovians into the game as a playable race with their superior tech and superior stats would imho kill any balance CCP has desparitly tried to bring to EVE. Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.07.15 10:40:00 - [31] I think the benefit to being Jove probably lies with the attribs (higher than a maxed out normie from the get-go, and +4 points for each learning skill, thus will train faster than anybody else) and the ships. Judging from the jove frigate screenshot I saw, it had shields and armour better than most cruisers, and enough power/cpu to run just about anything. But you'll need to be jove just to get the skill. (also, that was a lvl5 frigate, requiring 3 lvl5 skills, and with jove ranks, it will be months before you can fly just the frigate... I'd be interested in seeing how deadly the cruisers are. And why would I want one? To kill people with, mainly. Just go out hunting PC pirates, collect some real bounties, and some real rare loot :) Or totally flip out, and go on a murdering spree. It's all gravy. .
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.07.15 10:46:00 - [32] That's not a real jove ship tho, as the race must first be 'balanced' in order to be viable and don't think that anyone can become jove. It'd take a lot of work to get there (presumably) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Drake Ramirez	Posted - 2003.07.15 12:33:00 - [33] Just an idea of sorts: Firstly, you cannot choose Jove at startup, clearly... To become Jove you must first become a "Friend of Jove" and to do this you must interact with them (trading, buying, selling, agent missions etc.) to the point when your standing with Jove Empire is at a level where you are classed as a friend. Then you must become extremely intelligent, you must level all science related skills and have x amount of skill points. This will take a while but without the knowledge of science you cannot transcend into Jove. Once you are of a high intelligence (x skill points & various science skills levelled) you can then request to the high council of the Jove empire at their central station to be allowed to travel the path to ascension. This involves various skills & tasks to be completed (not thought about what) then the final step. This is it, you are one step from transforming into Jove. You must face the ultimate in concentration, isolation and meditation. At the central station you must dock and you are placed in a sealed capsule for 1 week with no interaction with anyone, or able to do anything at all. After the week is up, you emerge like a butterfly from a chrysalis and you are Jove. The last bit will kill any EVE addict but you can always do stuff with you alt :-) God work is dull! Drake Ramirez When everything else is said and done, there will be nothing else to say or do...
Rogar	Posted - 2003.07.15 12:43:00 - [34] People , people , people .....when will you learn, a game such is as Eve should allow for a huge element of Role Play. The amount of posts I see simply craving for a better ship, bigger guns etc sickens me. If the Jove are introduced which they no doubt will be it will be a bad day if all you do is rush to get in the best ship etc. Ive been playing for sometime now and still fly a Frigate. I have the skills for a cruiser but my 'character' has no need to move onto that yet. Im happy with his place in life and his interaction with others. The day you all stop craving for Battle ships and spend a little time inventing a character with a background, goals and personality is the day MMORPG's really take off.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2003.07.15 14:29:00 - [35] I have some Jovian textures I could show off, but im not sure if posting such things would be super-spoilers or against the EULA.. so I'll refrain from doing so. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Pann	Posted - 2003.07.15 14:52:00 - [36] As mentioned previously, being Jovian is something that players can aspire to and eventually will be able to evolve into, though that's as much as has ever been said publicly about it. There are other things that take higher priority over introducing the Jovian race into the game and we need to take care of those things first. Yes, the ships are available - meaning that they are coded and the artwork is done, not that players can make or buy them. The avatar artwork is not completed yet. The designers are fairly closed mouthed about the whole Jovian thing so getting any information about it - even as part of the team - is rather difficult. I would suspect that the data that can be pulled from the files now is not written in stone and most of it is subject to change. What we do know is that it will be something very cool and very special when the Jovians become part of the Eve game world. Eve Community Manager [email protected] CCP
Silmaril	Posted - 2003.07.15 14:56:00 - [37] "Evolve into" eh? Well that'll be excessive use of implants and boosters then. wOot :) But I hope you're right Pann. The coming of the Jovians is going to have to be something really special. "Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men."
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.07.15 14:59:00 - [38] I've heard from the beginning (the beginning of Beta) that the Jove race would be playable, but it was phrased as being something the characters of "other" races could eventually evolve into. They made it seem as though, once your character developed to a certain point, there was a chance you could "evolve" into a jove. Ive always kinda thought that it was once you accumulated a certain ammount of skill points or something would trigger it.
Sunda	Posted - 2003.07.15 15:06:00 - [39] lol you people are funny. Jove should go to only certian people. Jove should only go to polaris. Jove should only go to long time players. Jove should only go to the elite. I will tell you how the jove are goning to be given out. They are going to be in an expansion. Just think a bit people. The bug required a cd key. How do you get a cd key? well you get a cd which has it. How do you get another cd? you buy it in an expansion. That is how they are going to decide who gets to be jove. The people willing to spend another 30.00 dollars or so on an expansion.
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.07.15 15:10:00 - [40] I also think the "jove frigate" screenshot everyones been going ape over was actually a polaris ship. I was in Polaris for a short while, and everything ive heard about the "jove frigate" leads me to believe this is the case. Everyones going gaga over the shields and stuff on the thing, but a standard feature of polaris ships was strong shields and hull, so they could stand up to players that would inevitably try to add it to their trophy wall. They also have no offensive weapons whatsoever (the standard polaris ship, thats not to say that GMs cant take out armed ships when acting as PC Concord enforcers). Theres no way I can be sure without seeing things that I havent seen about the ship, but I would be carefull making assumptions that the ship in the screenshot is some uber powerfull jove frigate, and then extrapolating from there that the cruisers will be able to blow away battleships from other races.

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