humm how does them having top vp show how we won it.... and ur in fw just not with pvp toons so ur admitting to doing the very thing u been shitposting and crying about..... bravo way to make urself look loike an idiot

It shows how the sov war is won under the mechanics in effect when gallente got a medal.

Actually it doesn't. You're posting "facts" that are 2 months late and don't reflect the "boots on the ground" when we took the systems. Carry on.

Are the mechanics the same or not?

The mechanics are the same. The effort involved by those who took all the systems is not.

Please provide some facts to support this. In the meantime same exact mechanics will likely mean the same exact winning strategy.

It shows how the sov war is won under the mechanics in effect when gallente got a medal.

I am simply posting the facts. This is how you win the sov war with these mechanics. I am quite happy to provide the data that proves my prediction is correct. You are the one who seems upset by these facts.

And yes my alts are in fw doing the same thing. It is how the game is designed. You can curse the people who are winning all you want. Keep saying they are doing it wrong, as you continue to lose and they continue to win.

whos cursing whoevers winning? we are actually relishing the fact that we now have an opposistion and everyones kills are up and are rising month after month since this iteration.

I think it's up to you to prove it since it's your assertion that alt plexers won the Occupancy War.

In any case, can any Gallente militia member really say that Heydieles was taken by afk PVE alt plexers?

Can any Caldari claim that Hykanima, Kinakka, Eha, Enaluri, Rakapas, Okkamon, Old Man Star, Fliet, Ladistier, Eugales, Moclinimaud, Frarie, were taken with afk plexing alts? (There's probably a few more systems I could add btw)

Nope. Why? Because afk alt plexing as a system capture strategy only works in unpopulated systems where the other side chooses to not spend effort defending.

In order to get the medal you had to take about 10xs that number of systems. Also the amount of alts defensive plexing the home systems you list is likely as high as anywhere.

So you think it was so much different for the gallente to capture systems a month ago even though it was the exact same mechanics.

Yes right no gallente used these winning techniques only caldari and amarr use them. Right. Ignoring reasonable inferences from the data seems to be your forte.

But just so that I know your position.

Lets say we go back and look at the top vp gainers for several of the days when gallente was winning the sov war. Do you think the number of kills for those players, on the days they were the top vp winners, will be much different?

why make a thread then post ur **** in here too?

In order to get that medal, we had to take out ALL of the low sec homes systems of the Caldari.


It's exactly the same. The Caldari will have to take out ALL of the Gallente home systems to get their medal. Bring it on.

We purposefully propped up the Tier Level in order for the farmers to take all the useless backwater systems and it worked.


Just so you understand my position: No farming alt has ever been responsible for capturing a militia home system.

Also, to be clear: Notification System, Affects Nothing. Timer rollback, Good.

He is pissy he is getting literally zero support from anyone in any militia so he has resorted to trolling every thread possible.

You should be proud, your resistance to facts and reason has helped shape fw to what it is today.

im proud of it yes ....

Ok so I take it you agree that there is no reason to think the daily vp gainers were any different a month or 2 ago.

Would you agree alts hold the home systems? Unless a militia decides to bring a blob and lock down a system until its flipped anything you do will just be undone by an alt dplexing.

Caldari already got a medal. If they want to get another medal even though its plain how the sov war is won, god bless them.

And yes, you keep repeating that letting players know when plexes are attacked, will not help them to defend them. It is very silly of you, but you have said it often enough that a few other flunkies are repeating it too.

You should be proud, your resistance to facts and reason has helped shape fw to what it is today.

Yes, and no notification system will "solve" this issue. You know what your target system is. Go kill the alts and take it.

And yes, you keep repeating that letting players know when plexes are attacked, will not help them to defend them. It is very silly of you, but you have said it often enough that a few other flunkies are repeating it too.

You should be proud, your resistance to facts and reason has helped shape fw to what it is today.

You know where the farmers are. They're everywhere the pvp guys aren't. Go to them and kick them out yourself. If you aren't willing to do it, then why should you expect anybody else to?

No I do not know where they all are nor do you. They are not everywhere. On average I will go through 2-3 systems before I will find an enemy running a plex. Moreover in larger systems I have to warp around to find which plex they are in.

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Would you agree alts hold the home systems? Unless a militia decides to bring a blob and lock down a system until its flipped anything you do will just be undone by an alt dplexing.

You just found your farmers. Have at it.

Really, are we talking about you not wanting to spend a couple minutes scouting for farmers? Is that it? All this talk about 'pvp mechanic' because you're too lazy to roam around low sec for 4 minutes, and you can't be arse'd to point your ship in a certain direction and hit the scan button?

Edit: I mean, really??!! Conquest of an entire region is null and void because the Caldari had to jump 2-3 systems to look for an afk plexing alt and then had to.. GOD FORBID!!! (sorry, Amarr)... hit the scan button??!!

No we are talking about making the pvpers easilly 4xs as efficeint in fighting for plexes.

Its not just finding them originally thats the issue. Its keeping track of where they are going after they leave the plex that is a pia. The notification would accomplish this so the pvpers could run plexes and chase out alts as needed. The pvpers could actually close plexes instead of constantly roaming around looking for alts to kill.

You may have the time to keep chasing them but in the current mechanics most people agree its a waste of time.

No we are talking about making the pvpers easilly 4xs as efficeint in fighting for plexes.

Its not just finding them originally thats the issue. Its keeping track of where they are going after they leave the plex that is a pia. The notification would accomplish this so the pvpers could run plexes and chase out alts as needed. The pvpers could actually close plexes instead of constantly roaming around looking for alts to kill.

You may have the time to keep chasing them but in the current mechanics most people agree its a waste of time.

Yes, deplexing alts hold home systems. The main difference is that if you chase away the offensive plexing alt, they just go somewhere else or wait for you to leave before returning to cap the plex since they know you won't sit on the timer for 1-2x the time they did. If you chase away a defensive plexing alt, he comes back in a few minutes with all his friends that live in that system and you will get a fight if you want to take it.

If you really want to chase down a specific farmer, sufficient mechanics already exist. Its called an agent locator..

A notification system would be the biggest buff to farming possible, since i would use such a system to steal LP from every legitimate caldari FW plexer within 10 jumps.

Both, i can find farmers usually within 1 jump, that is if they are not attempting to farm my home system..

I used to steal LP from caldari farmers back in the day, so a notification system could once again make this viable since i would then be able to extrapolate the exact time left on all plexes in the area. Offsetting the reduced isk/lp with greater rates of lp theft..

LP has always been awarded to people in the capture zone. So i guess you already need to stipulate fixes to fix the fix that you suggest even though the rest of us know your fix is a fix for an aspect of fw that isnt actually broken...

Since you get around 30 kills per month on a good month, i understand why you are blaming the system on your utter laziness. The people here that actually put some effort in dont need a notification system to tell us pretty much what we already know.

Lets follow your train of thought:

Everyone already knows where the farmers are!

If we knew where the farmers were the system would break!

I "pretty much" already know where the farmers are?!?

Alt plexing is not a problem!

DOH!

Herp derp killboard!

No. Your bullet point summary couldnt be more wrong.

Everyone already knows there are plexes being run everywhere.

If we know WHAT TIME a plex was started, informed by a ******** notification system people could more efficiently steal LP. Stealing LP is as easy as ever, but is not really viable atm due to LP value being negligible in comparison to the first iteration of the tier system. Knowing what time to steal LP for any given plex means you could be stealing 50% of a plexes lp every 2-3 minutes thanks to an otherwise pointless notification system.

You seem to imply that you want to know where specific farmers are. Agent locator is already in place if you want this.

As for killboard, you are the one claiming to be wanting more pvp. Im presenting your killboard as evidence that you find more pleasure masturbating over terrible ideas on the forum than you do looking for fights. Otherwise you would have more than a dozen kills this month.

Also, you got me wrong. Bring on the notifcation system, let the meta games begin with our caldari alts stealing lp from caldari and our gallente alts trying to gank each others caldari farming alts while our other caldari alts engage each others gallente alts and so on. I miss those days. 6/8 boxing made my brain hurt.

I see, your back to attacking the messenger.

I am just posting some facts and actual data. Do you always react by calling those who posts facts and data, pissy?

The suggestions I made had support but it became clear that ccp was not going to implement them. So most who care, have left the fw sov game to the farmers.

Only batshit crazy people are still actually hoping ccp will fix faction war sov so its not a joke.

The rest of the people posting seem to be from the gallente militia trying to convince people that the sov system, and their medal, is not a joke.