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ortaga	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:00:00 - [1] for all u non missile users please explaine why this is now fair. it took me 78 torps to kill 1 gamma 2 frig. i know ppl are going to say fit small launchers but then how are u supposed to kill battleships with bloodclaws? i fully agree that the missiles were unfair but what ccp has done is turn most of my ships into scrap metal i now think its better to train my skills for gallanti ships but along with the ship skills i know have to train skills for armour tanking. which ever way you look at this caldari pilots have been s*** on. i feel really sorry for anyone that has a navy caracal or raven. you should be reimbursed.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:02:00 - [2] How many rounds from a turret would you have to fire when it is orbitting you? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Khatred	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:02:00 - [3] Have you tried hunting a rabbit with a howitzer?
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:02:00 - [4] stop whining and start training those skills ----- DJ 4tw
babylonstew	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:04:00 - [5] personally, on my raven i use 8 medium drones and 2 x 250 rails with a webber, works fine for me. and yes im a dedicated caldari pilot flying raven, crow, cerburus, eagle and harpy, im not having much difficulty with these changes myself, and this is the first time i have posted on the subject cos im sick of it (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Thanit	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Thanit on 09/07/2005 12:08:13 4 siege, 2 assault, 2 megapulse/(dual) heavy pulse. +web or painter. = dead frigs AND dead BS. Lasers dotn need bonuses to be effective either, they just take cap. Raven has tons of cap. Fits easier too.
ortaga	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:08:00 - [7] joshua. not 78 and ur rof is much higher.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:09:00 - [8] God damm, shut up. A battle ship has to carry large turrents and small turrets to kill frigs. Same for you. Whine Whine Whine Whine Whine [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
mahhy	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:10:00 - [9] Edited by: mahhy on 09/07/2005 12:10:26 Originally by: ortaga joshua. not 78 and ur rof is much higher. You won't hit an orbitting frig with turrets, ever, at all, not once. You need to web web and web, fit smaller guns, or use drones on any turret ship. Be thankful your weapons actually HIT the little buggers.
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Khatred Have you tried hunting a rabbit with a howitzer? Yes. Result: a total of 3 cows, 9 horses, 13 birds and 873 ants killed. No rabbit found though . Don't whine, adapt. ------------------------------------------ Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:14:00 - [11] Originally by: ortaga ohnoes! I lost my "I-win" button! rabble rabble rabble shall I call the whaaaaaambulance? ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Chippie MS	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Joshua Calvert How many rounds from a turret would you have to fire when it is orbitting you? The cap on my geddon would run out before i could hit it enough to kill it. Stop moaning about the torps not taking out frigs anymore this is to make you use more than 1 type of weapon. Basically no other race can hit a frig with weapons that do a lot of damage at least you can whack in some standards.....or how about this for a wild, crazy idea...... DRONES ooooooooooooooo if i go out hunting in my poc i either fit a launcher on one of my slots of fill up with drones now stop ***ing cos your torps dont kill a frig in 1 hit nobody else can so why should you? go train the skills and shut the hell up. And before i get the usual "its ok for you, it dont affect you you're obviously a ..... Pilot". Think again numbnuts I fly Cladari, Amarr and Mimattar and ive got caught by every nerf in the last few months but instead of sitting in front of the keyboard in my pants crying about it I train the skills for a few days/weeks/months and its all ok. Now if you had all got your missile skills to levels 4 and 5 (which if your a dedicated Caldari pilot you should have had anyway) there would be no need for all these posts cos by now your missiles would be hitting harder. OOOOOooooooooooooo better still save everyone your constant endless whining by quitting eve, format your hard drive and then go play in traffic This is aimed at every moany raven pilot that feels the need to fill the forums with hundreds of posts all saying the same thing in fact why dont we create a new forum called moaning and then everyone who wants to whine can do it in there and the rest of us can ignore it. ------------------------------------ There's one * in the world, one *** with many faces
Dajjal	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:20:00 - [13] Originally by: ortaga for all u non missile users please explaine why this is now fair. it took me 78 torps to kill 1 gamma 2 frig. i know ppl are going to say fit small launchers but then how are u supposed to kill battleships with bloodclaws? i fully agree that the missiles were unfair but what ccp has done is turn most of my ships into scrap metal i now think its better to train my skills for gallanti ships but along with the ship skills i know have to train skills for armour tanking. which ever way you look at this caldari pilots have been s*** on. i feel really sorry for anyone that has a navy caracal or raven. you should be reimbursed. fit a rack of tachyons on an apoc then go try kill frigates guess what? u miss. why should siege/torps be any different? (apart from the fact u actually hit - albeit for low damage...) _______________________ E pluribus unum
F'nog	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:22:00 - [14] It's been said before, but I'll say it again, "DRONES." 4 light drones could kill that frig in on time. I'd guess that anybody worth their salt could use far more drones, and more powerful ones than that if they can fly a BS. Originally by: Morela "hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
ortaga	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:34:00 - [15] chippy. numbnuts. wot im saying is that the raven has gone from being not the best to the worst tier 1 bs. you fly amarr caldari and minmatar right. would u take a raven to pvp. no. luckily i have good gunnery so my weapon of choice is going to be a mega, i just think ive wasted a good amount of skills on something i think now is inferior. by the way im posting my opinion. is there really any need to be offensive. if we all keep our gobs shut when something annoys us, where would eve be now?
Bohoba	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Joshua Calvert How many rounds from a turret would you have to fire when it is orbitting you? get in a Raven to see this these are not at orbit they are 20-70K away I have Target navigation prediction at lvl 4 traing lvl5 10-40 damage off a torp that is at lvl5 humm not right but Oh well Eve goes on back to mining Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Jerusaleman	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:36:00 - [17] well chippie thought you were an all right guy till read your post .......the changes have hit every character i have over multipul accounts leaving eve dead in the water for me foe the time being. when i look at the other weapon systems i can see why the changes but so many so fast i think it could of been done a bit better. regardless of what weapon can do what people were given the missiles and trained them acordingly, got used to them and how they worked they then fitted in to a style of play maybe built up over a year or so. so when your hit with this type of thing, it hits mch harder than it sounds to you. dam, some corp members in kess can only fit 1 launcher wtf. how as a ceo do i keep them interested and willing to participate. we all used to go out as a corp and do missions annd complexes now the younger caldari have no chance they dont come how doess that promote team play some things may work themselfs out with time for training the new skills but in the meantime all hell has broke lose and two have now left my corp friends have left eve lots are considering going that i personally know the skills alone cost me over 12 mill for my self then there was rest of corp to sort. my point is it was all to fast to hard just like the missiles i supose.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:38:00 - [18] Do NPC's suffer the sig. radius penalty if they use MWD? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
ortaga	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:40:00 - [19] thanks jurusaleman. u got my point over better than i did. i trained for something, got it to a level i was happy with and all of a sudden im reduced to being a noob bs pilot.
Bohoba	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Do NPC's suffer the sig. radius penalty if they use MWD? I think it is suppose to but a bug is there from what I hear Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Galk	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:42:00 - [21] NPC frigs have rather large hitpoints i think. Well judging by the fact it used to take 4-5 torps to take some of them down.. and the other night.. in some cases they were still resisting a full first blast barage from my top rack of 425's while standing still hitting for 250-300 a shot. Still.... 78 torps.. 1 gamma 2 frig FTW -------- "I have always depended on the kindness of strangers." 'A Streetcar Named Desire'
Vilserx	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Do NPC's suffer the sig. radius penalty if they use MWD? Apparently (think it was in the patchnotes). --------------------------- VSX EVE Design
Jerusaleman	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:44:00 - [23] fit a rack of tachyons on an apoc then go try kill frigates guess what? u miss. why should siege/torps be any different? (apart from the fact u actually hit - albeit for low damage...) dajjal maybe because thats what missiles do yer i heard the iraq soldiers sayint the same thing (wtf you wepons are guided thats not fair stop while we train them). hey dont you ever fit them onto amar ships like x2 on apoc no cause not cos you dont belive in them
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2005.07.09 12:50:00 - [24] Drones are the answer to frigates, I've not once hit an orbiting frigate with my mega Pulse two, even with a tracking computer II active. However my 6 wasps chew through frigates quite nicely. 78 Torps? - Take the hint, you're not supposed to use them against frigates at all now. Blowing s**t up since May 2003
Chippie MS	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:00:00 - [25] Edited by: Chippie MS on 09/07/2005 13:00:48 Originally by: Jerusaleman well chippie thought you were an all right guy till read your post I dunno where you got this silly idea from it certanly wasnt from me or my corp ive never been pretended to be alright. For clarification convo anyone in my corp and ask em i guarentee they will all say 1 word 4 letters beginging in C ending in T..... you get the idea Originally by: ortaga thanks jurusaleman. u got my point over better than i did. i trained for something, got it to a level i was happy with and all of a sudden im reduced to being a noob bs pilot. I had the Raven to a level i was happy with and it took me 2 weeks from start to finish. so to train a BS that fast and that easily and be able to do max hits everytime is crap and unbalanced all the other races take months and months and even then you wont be able to hit a frig with large guns so now nobody can so im my eyes thats balanced. It also makes noobs and lower skill players more valuable in npcing get the bs to take out the big ships and a crusier doing the rest, or use drones. Same thing happens everytime they nerf something people have to adapt and people leave. When they nerfed the lasers I went to test em out and ended up dying to a crappy cruiser/inty spawn but did i cry or jump up and down and chuck my dummy out of my pram? no i adapted.... i had no choice and you know what it makes you a better pilot. Ravens where too easy for npc/missions no other ship hits everytime with max damage its not balanced so they change things.... GOOD If your reduced to being a n00b then you obviously didnt train the missile skills up to levels 5. Like i said if your caldari specialised then you should have them all to 5. Ive got em to 4 but im not caldari specialised. Then you need what 12m (if your npc/mission in a raven it takes about 1hr to get this much cash) to buy all the new skills and about 36hrs to get em all to level 3 and you will be better than before so i basically stand by my previous statement. Oh and too hard and fast??? are you stoned??? everyone knew 3 months ago that missiles where gonna get nerfed and T2 where gonna get released so that gave every 3 months to get what 4 skills to level 5...... how is that too hard and fast?? ------------------------------------ There's one *** in the world, one *** with many faces
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:11:00 - [26] Originally by: ortaga chippy. numbnuts. wot im saying is that the raven has gone from being not the best to the worst tier 1 bs. you fly amarr caldari and minmatar right. would u take a raven to pvp. no. luckily i have good gunnery so my weapon of choice is going to be a mega, i just think ive wasted a good amount of skills on something i think now is inferior. by the way im posting my opinion. is there really any need to be offensive. if we all keep our gobs shut when something annoys us, where would eve be now? Actually, there were good points in there. And the Raven is a tier 2 bs. You berate people for their tone and then call them names. Very mature.
Bohoba	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Chippie MS Edited by: Chippie MS on 09/07/2005 13:00:48 Originally by: Jerusaleman well chippie thought you were an all right guy till read your post I dunno where you got this silly idea from it certanly wasnt from me or my corp ive never been pretended to be alright. For clarification convo anyone in my corp and ask em i guarentee they will all say 1 word 4 letters beginging in C ending in T..... you get the idea Originally by: ortaga thanks jurusaleman. u got my point over better than i did. i trained for something, got it to a level i was happy with and all of a sudden im reduced to being a noob bs pilot. I had the Raven to a level i was happy with and it took me 2 weeks from start to finish. so to train a BS that fast and that easily and be able to do max hits everytime is crap and unbalanced all the other races take months and months and even then you wont be able to hit a frig with large guns so now nobody can so im my eyes thats balanced. It also makes noobs and lower skill players more valuable in npcing get the bs to take out the big ships and a crusier doing the rest, or use drones. Same thing happens everytime they nerf something people have to adapt and people leave. When they nerfed the lasers I went to test em out and ended up dying to a crappy cruiser/inty spawn but did i cry or jump up and down and chuck my dummy out of my pram? no i adapted.... i had no choice and you know what it makes you a better pilot. Ravens where too easy for npc/missions no other ship hits everytime with max damage its not balanced so they change things.... GOOD If your reduced to being a n00b then you obviously didnt train the missile skills up to levels 5. Like i said if your caldari specialised then you should have them all to 5. Ive got em to 4 but im not caldari specialised. Then you need what 12m (if your npc/mission in a raven it takes about 1hr to get this much cash) to buy all the new skills and about 36hrs to get em all to level 3 and you will be better than before so i basically stand by my previous statement. Oh and too hard and fast??? are you stoned??? everyone knew 3 months ago that missiles where gonna get nerfed and T2 where gonna get released so that gave every 3 months to get what 4 skills to level 5...... how is that too hard and fast?? Quote: If your reduced to being a n00b then you obviously didnt train the missile skills up to levels 5. Like i said if your caldari specialised then you should have them all to 5. Ive got em to 4 but im not caldari specialised. Then you need what 12m (if your npc/mission in a raven it takes about 1hr to get this much cash) to buy all the new skills and about 36hrs to get em all to level 3 and you will be better than before so i basically stand by my previous statement. humm lvl 4 no change so now what Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Chippie MS	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:22:00 - [28] Edited by: Chippie MS on 09/07/2005 13:24:00 Yes T2 will better the point of the change was so that huge weapons cant hit tiny ships its all very simple. Caldari was the only race that could....now it cant deal with it everyone else had to. Dont expect to ever hit a frig and do huge damage with a torp put some drones in your bay or whack in a medium beam in one of your spare highs. ------------------------------------ There's one *** in the world, one *** with many faces
Bohoba	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Chippie MS Yes T2 will better the point of the change was so that huge weapons cant hit tiny ships its all very simple. Caldari was the only race that could....now it cant deal with it everyone else had to. not true you can hit them with good damage at 20-60k now we can't this is my point 10-40 damage while your doing quite a bit more Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Chippie MS	Posted - 2005.07.09 13:34:00 - [30] Edited by: Chippie MS on 09/07/2005 13:36:05 Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Chippie MS Yes T2 will better the point of the change was so that huge weapons cant hit tiny ships its all very simple. Caldari was the only race that could....now it cant deal with it everyone else had to. not true you can hit them with good damage at 20-60k now we can't this is my point 10-40 damage while your doing quite a bit more Ok ill modify my statement "dont be expect to be able to hit em with anything worthwhile just like in any other race" Yes you can just use different ammo...... if i want to hit em over 20k ill have to switch crystals so you switch to cruise (they fit in siege still as far as i know) get your skills up and you will prolly need 2 missiles to kill em with beams ill fire 7 shots hit it maybe once and it will take 2-3 hits (I use t2 megas) to kill so going on that rationale with your skills up you should have to use 18 torps to kill one. So its just adapting or whack in drones its all very simple and not as big a problem as most people are making it out to be. If people had read the dev blogs and thought mmmm t2 launchers and a missile nerf are coming...... i fly caldari ships..... what should i train??? i have a couple of cladari pilot corp mates and they are not bothered by the nerf cos they actually prepared for it then they will spend a few weeks and everyone will be all smily again. But im sure people will whine about friegthers and Dreads when they start getting em ------------------------------------ There's one *** in the world, one *** with many faces

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