Agreed, clones and insurance are a joke.

Came to the thread expecting a write-up from a lubed bitter vet on TM. Left very satisfied.

No, it's a hard truth. If you're complaining about the cost of clones then you're one of two things:

1) You're a player who is dying way too often. I assume this to be PVP related and not participating in other facets of the game enough to afford it.

or

2) Your toon is so old that the cost of dying is prohibitively expensive but it still means you're not participating in the other facets that would have you afford it.

Which ever one of those you are is hilariously ironic. It's the antithesis of carebearism. So much so that I suppose you could call it pvpbearism, wanting your pvp but nothing more of the game. You want your pvp but you don't want to do anything else in the game to afford it. You want it handed to you on a platter as if you're some God given gift to the game. It's hilariously ironic because now we have a whine thread from the pvp'ers that, OMFG, you might have to do something other than pewpew! HTFU! There's a plethora of ways to passively make buttloads of isk in this game.

Another hard truth of this game is, it's a giant isk sink, aka CCP's business model. Now, you can afford that either by whipping out your credit card everytime you need isk or grinding isk. You're free to choose your method. If all you want to do is come on, pewpew and then leave you're going to need a working credit card, my friend. Otherwise, you better learn how to carebear it up! The only other alternative is going to play some FPS where you can die over and over and over again without any cost. Afterall, Eve is about risk vs reward. Blindly dying ad nauseam is by no means a "risk" and therefore not to be rewarded. So the next time your FC orders you to die in a ball of fire, perhaps you should weigh the risk you're taking versus the reward you shall reap.

Oh the irony! After years of the PVP'ers admonishing, ridiculing, denigrating, scoffing at the players they've labeled carebears, they might just need to become what they've so hated!

EVE is a game that uses the fact you don't have to grind to gain XP.
but apparently it's 'very important' you gotta grind increasingly order to actively use the character

Oh look...a themittani.com link...this will be informative and in no way biased. What else would we expect from the foxnews of the eve world. I will grab popcorn and a snuggie and settle in for a nice long read.

Except it would benifit everyone.

Wow is pretty damn successful, as the first and therefore best MMO.

Clone cost is utterly bad game design (for many reasons) and as very rightfully Marlona pointed out, cost goes exponential, and this makes the already silly mechanic become really stupid.


In short, the older player you become the more you have to become stupid/moron and have more alts?

I should be concerned about losing my clone. Clone prices are cheap compared to implants anyway, so you are not gaining anything real, you're just picking away at one more thing that sets eve apart,

The reason the clone costs should stay the same is that eve is fun because it's not easy.

Fining people 20% of their entire wallet balance and asset worth every time they undock if they don't fly their ship in a very specific pattern would also make eve hard.

It would also be a really stupid game mechanic.
Clone upgrade costs are another stupid game mechanic.

Just wanted to share a bit more information in regards to the, "Just train an alt to enjoy small ships." crowd.

Let's say you want to enjoy flying one race assault ship - only. Including all the core skills associated, your optimized learning plan is...

*drum roll*

589 days, 13 hours, 54 minutes and 5 seconds.

That's right folks. Over a year and a half of training an alt to fully use an assault frigate to the capacity your main already does. Total skill points invested is 28,085,020. Which means you need the clone upgrade that covers 32,800,00 skill points. That lower one wont cut it. Granted your clone now cost 2,990,00 ISK; you still had to train for over a year and a half to get to that point.

I guess one would say training alt characters is the best bad plan to work around a terrible game mechanic that clone upgrades are. Clone upgrades are just as bad as learning skills. Perhaps it made sense at the time when it was designed, but the game marches on and needs to evolve.

Being against their removal because you chose to train an alt and are now invested in retrained core skills does not mean this mechanic should stay. That is just the same as those who proclaimed that learning skills should stay because they had to train them. So if they had to suffer, so should everyone else.

Again people. Over a year and a half for one race assault ship. Oh and the assault ship I picked was the armor tanked Retribution. If I picked a Gallente assault ship, that would mean I would have to train drone skills, which means the plan would take even longer. Vengeance you say? Well that is another weapon system...

However, we will not adjust clone level if the refund causes your total skill points to go above your current clone capacity. If you have Destroyer and Battlecruiser 5 trained, you should account for approximately 6.2 additional million skill points, thus we highly suggest you think about upgrading your clone accordingly, especially if you plan on going into hostile or remote space.