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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1277
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Posted - 2013.01.31 21:40:00 -
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PIE has a lot of very visible Ni-Kunni nowadays, actually, now that I bother to look at it.
Good for PIE! |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
177
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:00:00 -
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Forgive me for being so blunt but it must be said, your feelings for this woman are of little actual concern. If you truly consider yourself faithful and devout, your romantic feelings quite simply do not matter. What matters is whether or not this Aleria lives a faithful and righteous life. Legally she has been entrusted to your care, as such it's clear the former Holder did not think her fit to be freed yet. However you are now her Holder, that decision is now yours to make. Do not let your feelings cloud your judgement here. Your first charge, regardless of if you wanted the responsibility or not, is to bring her into God's grace.
Freeing her out of love when she is not ready is selfish and a betrayal of your principles. Loving her (in a physical sense) is an abuse of your position and charge as her Holder.
In a way your path is now at a simple footbridge, so thin and precarious is the crossing and falling to either side spells doom not only for you but for her as well. Similarly, lingering in such a place might just strain the bridge too much and cause it to buckle. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
106
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:01:00 -
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Firstly, do not presume to know me, nor be able to speak for me, Mr Trucido.
Ferinus Trucido wrote: This is actually a very interesting post, Ni-Kinni. You are correct, we are not all equal. You are in fact a lesser race in the Empire. While Brother Arcturus is a commoner, he is still a True Amarr. Thus, his own affiars, while he saw fit to release them to the entire IGS (in the search of more Amarr Theologians), are above your purview.
Except for the two facts, one: he is seeking advice in a public medium, and two: I am his commanding officer in PIE, which whether you or anyone else likes it or not, does make his actions subject to my purview.
Quote: Very well, but you are Ni-Kunni, who not even that long ago, would have been under the direct physical control of True Amarr.
Yes? So what is your point? I never said anything to the contrary.
Quote: Why then, with these distinctions, would it matter if this True Amarr married a Matari woman?
If you are placing the Matari as equals with the Ni-Kunni, you are sorely out of touch with reality and the times. As to why it matters, she is well below his station, simple as that.
Quote:Did not some forward thing True Amarr have to create YOUR place in OUR Empire? Did not some True Amarr choose to make YOU and YOUR kind more than property? Since the obvious answer is "yes" You grasp of the well documented, and well understood history of our people is impressive. Bravo. That forward thinking True Amarr you are mentioning here was likely the Emperor, however, not a commoner.
Quote: In addition, as a Ni-Kunni, would a True Amarr be "lowering himself" if he sought you as a wife?
A True Amarr of Faith and good standing within the Empire would be, yes, not to mention that I am already married to a most wonderful gentleman, pursuing another man's wife is generally something all frown upon.
As stated above, so long as Initiate Arcturus is a PIE pilot, it is within my power to say "No, if you wish to remain a Praetorian". However, I have not said such a thing. I am merely pointing out such an action would not be looked upon favorably by many of his peers.
I personally see your views as what weakens our Empire and our civilization. |
Ohrud Omel
Ministry of Internal Order Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:50:00 -
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I shall attempt to clear up some legal concerns raised by my earlier statements.
1) It is not illegal for capsuleers to transport slaves as cargo within the Empire. 2) It is not illegal for Holders to place their slaves on the open market within the Empire. 3) The SCC-controlled and maintained interstellar marketplace is considered a legal open market by the Empire due to CONCORD treaties. 4) It is not illegal for individuals of all social standing within the Empire to purchase goods and services off an open market. 5) The SCC does not mandate any restrictions based on social standing on any transactions that occur on its interstellar marketplace.
I can only comment on the base legality of the situation, but am unable to provide commentary on the social, moral, or ethical implications of capsuleers of non-Holder birth who own slaves.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
589
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:05:00 -
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Ohrud Omel wrote:I shall attempt to clear up some legal concerns raised by my earlier statements.
1) It is not illegal for capsuleers to transport slaves as cargo within the Empire. 2) It is not illegal for Holders to place their slaves on the open market within the Empire. 3) The SCC-controlled and maintained interstellar marketplace is considered a legal open market by the Empire due to CONCORD treaties. 4) It is not illegal for individuals of all social standing within the Empire to purchase goods and services off an open market. 5) The SCC does not mandate any restrictions based on social standing on any transactions that occur on its interstellar marketplace.
I can only comment on the base legality of the situation, but am unable to provide commentary on the social, moral, or ethical implications of capsuleers of non-Holder birth who own slaves.
Don't you have some banned books to be chasing down, you toads?
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
779
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:24:00 -
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I was just thinking that. SP-DR is recruiting: http://spdr.enjin.com Amarr Empire in a nut shell: http://i48.tinypic.com/2luayva.jpg |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
192
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:45:00 -
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What, you think a Grand Inquisitor can't take a little time out of his day to help some fellow Amarrian with a matter like this? They're people too, you know. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
590
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:53:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote: They're people too, you know.
Having been on the receiving end of MIO "justice" in my past I can assure you that they in fact, are not.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
193
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:00:00 -
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Well, you can't expect the inhuman to be treated humanely by a self-respecting person. That's just asking too much. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:17:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote: They're people too, you know. Having been on the receiving end of MIO "justice" in my past I can assure you that they in fact, are not.
Was this before or after you declared for the Sabik? Because, I mean . . . yeah, that makes it understandable. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
592
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:30:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote: They're people too, you know. Having been on the receiving end of MIO "justice" in my past I can assure you that they in fact, are not. Was this before or after you declared for the Sabik? Because, I mean . . . yeah, that makes it understandable.
As this is off-topic from the original posting we can discuss elsewhere at a later time.
Back to inter-racial marriage intrigue!
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:39:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote: They're people too, you know. Having been on the receiving end of MIO "justice" in my past I can assure you that they in fact, are not. Was this before or after you declared for the Sabik? Because, I mean . . . yeah, that makes it understandable. As this is off-topic from the original posting we can discuss elsewhere at a later time. Back to inter-racial marriage intrigue!
Alright.
I did have a question for the inquisitor. If I buy slaves off the Amarrian market and simply . . . abscond with them, how does that fit in with the Amarr legal system? Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
153
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:29:00 -
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Flavius Arcturus wrote: I Love this woman. If this is so and there is to be a wedding, perhaps I can help you with some inspiration to make it a memorable occasion.
Here is a video of Queen Synthia and I being married in the Grand Cathedral of Kaztropol. We spared no expense really, was worth every ISK and Kazerius.
I suggest you throw caution to the wind and follow your heart. If the opinion of corrupt imperial authorities concern you enough that you would consider giving up this woman, then do you really love her? |
Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:48:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:If I buy slaves off the Amarrian market and simply . . . abscond with them, how does that fit in with the Amarr legal system? And do what? Keep them as slaves somewhere else? Dump them on some other empire. Say "You're free now - but in a strange country. Maybe you are even worse off than you were before. You are completely separated from your culture and everything you know, Oh and if you pray to your god then someone will beat you"? Take a Caldari laborer. Maybe a janitor. Someone trying to get that promotion. Drag them across the region to drop them on some godforsaken corner of Solitude. No money, no job, no language. Only a street corner. Will they be happy for this? |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:57:00 -
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Lyrah Okkus wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:If I buy slaves off the Amarrian market and simply . . . abscond with them, how does that fit in with the Amarr legal system? And do what? Keep them as slaves somewhere else? Dump them on some other empire. Say "You're free now - but in a strange country. Maybe you are even worse off than you were before. You are completely separated from your culture and everything you know, Oh and if you pray to your god then someone will beat you"? Take a Caldari laborer. Maybe a janitor. Someone trying to get that promotion. Drag them across the region to drop them on some godforsaken corner of Solitude. No money, no job, no language. Only a street corner. Will they be happy for this?
Maybe I'm opening up a pleasure hub in VFK? It doesn't matter what I intend to do with them. Better yet, legaly speaking, the OP buys this girl on the open market, sends me a mail and next week is in a CFC alliance in Deklein and they get married. What then? Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:07:00 -
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On the question of legality I will defer to the honorable Grand Inquisitor. I do not think a marriage of a slave and a freeman conducted outside the Empire will be seen as valid within the Empire. I may be wrong. If he wanted to emigrate from the Empire it would be as easy as you said. But that is a large and uncertain "If". |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1224
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Posted - 2013.02.02 09:32:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:PIE has a lot of very visible Ni-Kunni nowadays, actually, now that I bother to look at it.
Good for PIE!
It's always been the case that some of PIE's most prominent members have been Ni-Kunni - Hardin, Golan Trevize and Archbishop are the prime examples. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Bai'xao Meiyi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.02.02 10:20:00 -
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There is an entire galaxy out there, where god placed you and gifted you the ability to explore and find your place. God also gave you and this woman the ability to love.
You know her as a true believer, to an Amarr this should be enough and retaining her in bonds is sinful. Free her of her bonds, take her away from the empires grasp and give her the choice. If she truly loves you she will stay, if not your relationship would not have lasted, regardless.
Find a home, build a home, take one, regardless of how you choose to go about it, set about making a life with her, Ensure your needs are met then expand upon them. If the Empire has anything to say, then tough for them, capsuleers cannot be enslaved. It simply cannot happen without them choosing it, there are always escapes. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
177
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Posted - 2013.02.02 20:40:00 -
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Marrying your own slave eh?
Well, you're a step above those people that have drug fuelled orgies with slaves anyway.
Or the ones that coat themselves in sauce and have their slaver hounds lick them.
I hear that's all the rage in some sections of Imperial society. |
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
153
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Posted - 2013.02.02 23:56:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote: Or the ones that coat themselves in sauce....
Hey now. The guy needs marriage advice, not honeymoon advice |
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Beaumonte Exploration and Foundry Consolidated
7
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Posted - 2013.02.05 03:39:00 -
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Captain Arcturus, While I am concerned about your airing such a personal issue in such a public fashion, I will be sending you a private message as to this matter or perhaps we can discuss off the galnet at a time of your own choosing at the Basilica while you reflect upon the momentous choice before you.
Blessings be upon you.
In the name of the Empress Jamyl Sarum, Our Lady of Victory,
Lunarisse Aspenstar. |
Audrial
Fly By Night Corporation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:14:00 -
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I can't help but wondering how this reached, if it did, a conclusion?
Did love prevail? Were you able to remain or did you have to depart to far away systems? How is your faith as a result of this experience and what have you learned?
xxxxooooxxxxooooxxxx Audrial
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Adel Khamez
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:44:00 -
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Honoring this woman with marriage instead of holding her as an acquisition of the left hand is certainly not reprehensible.
Marry her, and be happy.
She has submitted to our religion, and understands the Scriptures, I hope? I assume that your former sponsor has already convinced her to submit to the will of Allah. |
Adel Khamez
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:52:00 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Captain Arcturus, While I am concerned about your airing such a personal issue in such a public fashion, I will be sending you a private message as to this matter or perhaps we can discuss off the galnet at a time of your own choosing at the Basilica while you reflect upon the momentous choice before you.
I understand his concerns.
There are still many in the Empire that do not understand that true belief is more important than mere race.
Our most valued teacher and leader, the Empress, has had to correct many of them by taking them as left hand captives, and demoting them to slavery, after they refused her lawful and righteous order to manumit many of the Matari.
Hopefully this public airing will demonstrate that we treat our charges fairly. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:59:00 -
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You should marry her. You two will come under scrutiny for sure, but if you persevere life will be good. Apart from the arrogance of a small group of people you shouldn't face any problems.
From my understanding on Amarr theology, there hasn't been anything stated by God or even an Emperor/Empress that forbade such a union or even frowned upon it. It's really your society that has the problem.
Overall, you two should be fine remaining in the Empire. If things go south though, the Federation and/or the State will accept you with open arms as there is little discrimination regarding mixed race couples in these two nations. I can't speak much for the State, but I can say the mixed marriages are quite common in the Federation. I myself am Gallente-Caldari, Gallente-Deitis to be specific. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1114
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Posted - 2013.03.15 06:26:00 -
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So long as the two people getting married are both believers of the Faith then there should be no loss of face in Amarrian society.
Consider:
A) A True Amarrian marries a person of, say, Jin-Mei ethnicity who has converted to the Amarrian Faith. B) A True Amarrian marries another True Amarrian who happens to be a Blood Raider.
I think we can all agree which of these two possibilities would be blessed by God and which would result in a spontaneous lightning strike. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2013.03.15 07:09:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: Consider:
A) A True Amarrian marries a person of, say, Jin-Mei ethnicity who has converted to the Amarrian Faith. B) A True Amarrian marries another True Amarrian who happens to be a Blood Raider.
I think we can all agree which of these two possibilities would be blessed by God and which would result in a spontaneous lightning strike.
I'm not sure either would prompt any sort of immediate divine retribution at all. In fact I would have expected that allowing a sovereign of the Sani Sabik to officiate a marriage, offer blessings over sanctified vodka, and join a True Amarrian with a Brutor freedom fighter (and/or pirate) in holy union would have prompted a lightning strike. Yet, here I stand. |
Adel Khamez
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:46:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I think we can all agree which of these two possibilities would be blessed by God and which would result in a spontaneous lightning strike.
Righteous individuals MAY have to help that lightning strike along ... heh.
Amarr Victor, Deus Vult
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Adel Khamez
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:49:00 -
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Uraniae Fehrnah wrote: I'm not sure either would prompt any sort of immediate divine retribution at all. In fact I would have expected that allowing a sovereign of the Sani Sabik to officiate a marriage, offer blessings over sanctified vodka, and join a True Amarrian with a Brutor freedom fighter (and/or pirate) in holy union would have prompted a lightning strike. Yet, here I stand.
She did not say Sani Sabik. She specified a Blood Raider.
As a former Dark Amarr, I understand your skittishness about possible inquisition, but her example did not include allowed sects. Amarr Victor, Deus Vult
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