Its not going to be alot of profit-you can make more in high sec tbh

Can you disclose the name of that secret ore that exists in low sec and not in high sec and that will provide a higher income for someone mining in a Venture compared to high sec ? I am curious.

Hi everyone, im a fairly new player to this game but feel i have a good hang of it, and would like to start mining in lowsec for more profitable and rare minerals. I've acquired a Procurer but just need the right fit to feel like id have a semi chance of avoiding destruction if i get ganked. Can anyone help me with this fit?

You cannot find more profitable ores in low sec, that's sad but thats true.

Another absurdly wrong statement.

edit: Also, yesterday you stated you don't mine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2534501#post2534501

Another absurdly wrong statement.

edit: Also, yesterday you stated you don't mine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2534501#post2534501

Also i don't have to mine to know that low sec isn't worth the risk, just open a spreadsheet and look at the results.

I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.

I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?

Low sec offers a place with specific rules for pvp and a great community. Deleting low sec would make a lot of people really sad

Also low sec offers reactions and an easy place for capital manufacturing, that may not be much compared to high sec but null sec isn't better.

True PvP belongs in the Wild West anyway. Null Sec.

Which also brings up why on Earth are Boosters and their accompanying Reactions restricted to Low Sec ? There is no shortage of 'contraband' in the highest places in society in Real Life ? Makes no sense at all.

You don't see many meth labs on the high street, do you?

Because the carrying and manufacture of drugs is and should be illegal in high-sec.

Yeah people will try to gank your ship. But if you're in a sparsely populated system, you can spot gankers a mile away and just dock until they disappear off local.

Don't litsten to the naysayers. It is entirely profitable to mine in lowsec, perhaps even more so. There are some lowsec systems that rarely get visited. Once you know your locals, it's pretty easy to differentiate the harmless from the hostile.

The great thing about lowsec mining are the LARGE roids. Freaken HUGE. You can cherrypick the best ones for yourself, suck em dry and not worry about competition. It's like having an entire playground to yourself.

Yeah people will try to gank your ship. But if you're in a sparsely populated system, you can spot gankers a mile away and just dock until they disappear off local. You can help reduce attention to yourself by having -sec status, some bounty and your own PVP-sounding corp ("Midnight Mercs" or whatever). A ganker who'll look you up via local will automatically assume that you're some PVPer and move on.

When transporting minerals back to empire, just use a scout and you'll survive 99% of the time.

complete bollocks.

if it's so profitable, why is the volume mined in low sec line literally humping the x axis?

also, all of the factors you metioned above, geting ganked, transportation issues, etc. are going to suck any profits you *might* make, straight down the pan. it isn't profitable to mine in low sec, as such, we can see why almost no volume is mined in low sec.

Volume, lol, I am after Hemorphite, volume is of course low because you are not going to use high volume mining ships that require Concord or the blue donut. Also I have just paid for my Venture 10 times over in the short time I have done this, so if you want to do mining that is fun get into low sec in a venture and go for the best ores in low sec!!!!

I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?

Dave Stark,

Obviously you do not mine

except mining is all i do, so good luck with that one.

anyway, i get it, you want to be self sufficient. however don't use "i want to waste half of my time to say "i did it all"" as a justification to call low sec a good place to mine.

Apologies but this sentence "if you want to have fun you wouldn't be mining" made me think that, in which case your fixated on yield and I understand that, my point of view its a fun place to mine because you have to use your wits to do it, plus the I did it all and not rely on Concord, and it can be profitable. Obviously if you are a full on miner with multiple accounts and an Orca with bonuses you would not go near low sec with a barge poll, but I don't think the OP was looking at it from your prespective, and I wanted to give him mine as I do what he wants to do, or at least I believe so.


As for the RL comparison with low sec by another poster, its like getting copper out of the Democratic Republic of Congo instead of Australia...

Dave Stark,

Obviously you do not mine..........

. Harlem or area's referred to as the getto would be low sec. Still part of the city, but police stay out and criminals reign.

Thank goodness it's not just me who notices this.

What's the problem if the OP wants to try, sure it may or may not be profitable but if he enjoys it what difference does it make? It's one thing to tell him what he can expect but to tell him not to try or that he's wasting his time isn't going to help him make an informed decision for himself, and that's what he came here for imo.

ehh, maybe, but myself and Dracvlad do it for the challenge and it's fun for us, could be the OP would think so too, in which case it wouldn't be a waste of time

but to each his own

except he clearly states he wants to go there for profit, so "i find it fun lolololol" is totally irrelevant to the thread.

Actually you can make a profit out of it, the thing is that it is less of a profit then mining in low sec with a full exhumer and bonused Orca support. The player is looking for quick and dirty profit for his skill level and low sec mining of low sec top end ores can do that.

He needs to have a Venture with a cloak and be able to fly transport ships such as the Crane. If he had a second account he would be able to use that to scout his stuff out. Doing that he is very difficult to stop and he will make profit. You are comparing that profit to your profit of full on mining in High Sec, he isn't there, so he wants to jump the curve a bit. My point of view is its fun and I made profit.

And I keep saying you can make a profit out of it, the fun part is an added bonus.

You are arguing that as you can make more High Sec mining you should not bother and focus on that, no one is arguing with that, that is your straw man argument, I am disagreeing with your statement that you cannot make a profit out of it, because that was his question, you can!

OK let me put it this way I can make a much greater profit doing CA's in a carrier as compared to your high sec mining so I guess you do not make a profit! That is the sort of argument you are making, hmmmmmm your trolling me.

Trolling of course you are, people quite rightly pointed out that doing it in a Procurer was not the way to do it, because you wil get caught and there goes all your profit.

I know people who found a rarely used low sec system and mined it having set up a POS and using Hulks with Orca's for bonus and industrials to move the ore to the POS, the issue came when they were spotted, they had to stop, again they made much more ISK then you do in High Sec. And they did not lose a ship, they killed a few pirates, they had two carriers cloaked above the Hulks, of all things...

When the Goons will killing ice miners in Gallente space they were ice mining in low sec and made a fortune, so more profit then you.

Its amusing this, I could keep pointing out your wrong too.

But its enough for me, so you can make a profit mining in low sec as a newish toon, but its based on using a Venture, any more than that and you will lose that ship unless you really for it in terms of skills and resources and be prepared to know when to cut your losses...

not to change the topic but you certainly would get more mining ops in low sec if certain minerals were only available in low sec would make people like the OP more areas to explore their profession and give a reason to have asteroids in low sec belts besides objects to run into while pvping in belts.

What was asked, sigh!

Hi everyone, im a fairly new player to this game but feel i have a good hang of it, and would like to start mining in lowsec for more profitable and rare minerals. I've acquired a Procurer but just need the right fit to feel like id have a semi chance of avoiding destruction if i get ganked. Can anyone help me with this fit?

He was told not to use a Procurer and a Venture was suggested, which is what I agree with and use myself.

So if he really wants to do it, the ore he should go for is Hemorphite and its better variations, which is in 0.2 systems and he should only use a Venture, he can make profit, but he will make more in High Sec.

That is it, nothing much more to say about it, you can go around the houses making comments but at the end of it you are just going on about a point of view that evefryone agrees with, you can make MORE PROFIT in High Sec, its agreed. But you can make profit in low sec if he does as I suggested.

And that is my last post in this thread.

So if he really wants to do it, the ore he should go for is Hemorphite and its better variations, which is in 0.2 systems.

Mining in low-sec is a challenge and not more profitable than mining in high-sec. However if you want to do it and are willing to learn how to stay alive it is more interesting than mining in high-sec. It's not as scary as people make it seem and even though they are harder to find, Low-sec people are more fun and less whiny than high and null-sec'ers.

mining is for botz and afkers.

If you want to Troll, at least learn how to do it well first.

Then why dont you prove me wrong? I too would like to see mining in eve as sensible profession.

[quote=Oska Rus][quote=Krixtal Icefluxor]
If nobody in EVE did any mining,you wouldn't have any ships,drones,modules or ammo to play with.....

Yeah. all the bots are doing awesome job supplying whole eve by cheapass ore. ;-)

Why bother trolling the experts who know better? Get back to GD.

Also, learn how to quote proper.

Just asking if it is possible to make money comparable by other actions (null mining X null rating) Because all my research so far shows that it is not possible without bots.

BTW wtf is GD?

At this point I just have to quote the movie critic in the SF Chronicle today:

"it's like taking an amusement park ride through the curves of someone's mind and finding a sudden plunge into darkness each time you expect a synapse."

Surely you'd be happier with a belt in a nice quiet 0.5, right?

Yeah. all the bots are doing awesome job supplying whole eve by cheapass ore. ;-)

Well currently a miner with good skills and good fleet boost can make 20-25M per hour. Far better than the 10M it used to be.

True a mission runner can make 40-60M per hour. With far higher investment and skill required to do so however.

This thread's about low-sec mining, what's with all the figures for high-sec mining?
60,000,000+ per hour on one character works nicely for me

I've acquired a Procurer but just need the right fit to feel like id have a semi chance of avoiding destruction if i get ganked. Can anyone help me with this fit?

[Procurer, Lowsec BloodRaider]
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I

Medium Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5

This thread's about low-sec mining, what's with all the figures for high-sec mining?
60,000,000+ per hour on one character works nicely for me

+60M in high sec is certainly possible. But the only "safe" way to mine in Low is with a venture. Procurer or even Skiff is just to slow and easy to catch. you will get caught and you will lose it. If not while mining, while getting the ore/minerals back to high sec to sell. With a venture you can get in and out fairly safely with a very high chance of survival. But even with max skills and drones a Venture will only do about 8-10M in low sec.

This is why so many High sec stats have been mentioned. Even considering the average high sec income of 20-25M per hour compared to 8-10M per hour mining in low sec. You add significant risk, for less than half the income. if you try to mine low sec in even a Skiff your survival rate drops huge, even with warp stabs, as most pirates will assume anyone bold enough to mine in low sec will be using 2 warp stabs. They simply come after you with 3 points and you are dead.

Sure in theory, with Hed and Hem at the top of the ore charts right now, mining in low sec looks like good isk. But the loss in m3/hr to actually do it safely drops your income below that of a high sec miner. Even if you do find a quit system where you can mine in a procurer with out constantly getting unwanted attention.

- mining barges are very easy to scan down.
-mining barges are very slow to align and warp
- mining barges, even with a full rack of warp stab are very easy to tackle
-mining barges fit for tank and GTFO have significantly lower yield than max yield high sec mining barges

the fact is although low sec mining is possible, the risks are far to great when you compare the income to what you could make in high sec.

I am tired of people talking about income figures like this. Get your facts straight, use a spreadsheet or eve isk per hour but don't tell nonsense. 60mil+ on one character for high sec mining is just a lie.

The top income, with orca support, perfect skills and best implants in a Hulk is around 20mil isk per hour. And that's not your average income because it's not possible or effective to only cherry pick Kernite/Scordite.

In low sec, with orca support and perfect setup the top income (for Hemorphite) is around 27mil.

Cherry picking makes no sense. That's like saying that my trading income is huge because it took me 1 sec to sell an item for a 10mil profit... A correct average of the income in that case must take into account the search and travel that you have to do to only mine the best ore.

Anyway i don't know where you got your numbers but i trust isk per hour more than you ;)

Yeah... but cherry picking only high yield ores you gotta find them first, then approach and hope that someone hasn't mine there. Not to mention the fact that mining barges are slows.

My spreadsheet still disagrees with you, as does EVE IPH.

*shrug* these are the numbers i used to prove that the devblog was incorrect when the mining barge changes were announced so ccp indirectly said they were correct.

heu wut ?

You know, I tried lowsec mining like 5 days back compared to highsec mining. I was mining azure plagioclase in highsec and pristine jaspet in lowsec (.3) and yes mining in highsec made me a little bit more, about 5k difference, but if you go into max refining I think you should make a lot more isk refining the nocxium out of jaspet and it would be worth lowsec mining. Just my thought, OP could make more isk lowsec mining with refining and selling the nocxium. Though I do recommend a venture to mine, its fast reliable and cheap.

P.S lowsec is more fun do to the risk then dull afk highsec mining. Only afk mine when you're busy doing something imo.

Cherry picking makes no sense. That's like saying that my trading income is huge because it took me 1 sec to sell an item for a 10mil profit... A correct average of the income in that case must take into account the search and travel that you have to do to only mine the best ore.

Anyway i don't know where you got your numbers but i trust isk per hour more than you ;)

P.S anyone got thoughts/tips on drug manufacturing?

A miners isk/hour will be less affected by the inability to find belts to mine in high sec compared to the issues involved with mining in low sec.. When figuring out your isk/hour you need to remember that doesn't simply include your yield per cycle, but includes risk, hauling times both to station and market, isk loss from not using max yield setups, isk lost using cheaper mining ships, drones, orcas / rorquals, mindlink implants, mining boosts, losses of ships, delays being trapped in station and so on.

You will also be "cherry picking" anywhere you're mining be it low/null/high/whs and instead are better off determining the maximum possible yields and then subtract based on the situation and coming up with an average.


Hulk yields, orca boosts, and yield amounts generated using EFT. M3 to isk values from fuzzwork.

Hulk with perfect skills, perfect orca + mindlink, mining drones II fitted for yield will yield 3073m3/minute in a perfect situation, 184,380m3/hour.



type ..... isk/m3 ..... isk/hour
Scordite233.22- 43,001,104
Pyroxeres212.3- 39,143,874
Kernite209.96- 38,712,425
Plagioclase201.81- 37,209,728
Veldspar178.37- 32,887,861
Omber163.7- 30,183,006

Hedbergite279.33- 51,502,865
Hemorphite270.04- 49,789,975
Jaspet250.25- 46,141,095

Mercoxit377.91- 38,712,425
Bistot204.21- 37,652,240
Crokite204.78- 37,757,336
Dark Ochre190.54- 35,131,765
Arkonor268.21- 30,183,006
Gneiss101.64- 18,740,383
Spodumain81.87- 15,095,191


Overall low sec mats beat high sec but that's assuming you are using a max yield hulk and implants, are able to use mining drones, never have anyone come into system causing you to stop and also have an orca and 1.5B isk implant floating in space/POS hauling from time to time.

If you were to drop the 2 MLUII for tank you would really be making only
Hedbergite279.33- 43,646,495
Hemorphite270.04- 42,194,894
Jaspet250.25- 39,102,622

Dropping mining drones also decreases the isk/hour another 8% - 12%.

I am actually just curious, why is ore such as Omber less isk/hr than Veldspar? Is it due to their m3 size?

I am actually just curious, why is ore such as Omber less isk/hr than Veldspar? Is it due to their m3 size?