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Ghazu
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Posted - 2013.02.01 05:40:00 -
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Wow, cry more OP, about jesus or sov, lol http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2549
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:04:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:ok my mistake then. Of course that proves that null is just fine on the pvp front then
Nullsec has a lot of PvP. The basic mechanics of PVP in Null are fun (unlimited escalation, no game mechanical punishment for aggression, bubbles, etc.), and nobody who lives in null is really complaining about them (well, there are the AFK cloak whines, but ).
The 2 biggest problems with Null are Sov Mechanics and Carrying Capacity (i.e. livability), along with the broader (i.e. not strictly limited to null) issue of Alliance income sourcing. Fixing the first two would almost certainly increase the absolute number of ships destroyed in Null (better Sov Mechanics = More fights over Sov instead of "Blue or Fight to the Death," better carrying capacity = more targets ratters actually living in the space they own). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
trited
15
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:08:00 -
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Sov has a lot of relation to JELL-O , the sugar free kind sucks and no one likes that. If huge fights happened on a daily bases that would be sweet ass entertainment, that's one reason why I play video games, to bad those tree ornaments cost so much. http://youtu.be/8vdlqLGgrW0 |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
231
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:46:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Nissui wrote:Not everyone plays EVE for fun. Even if you were a member of a major alliance and did play for fun, you have a responsibility to those of your comrades who are rock-hard for things like territory control and ever-expanding wallets. That's part of sharing the sandbox. Haven't read the whole thread, but this line caught my eye. WTF, why would someone continute playing if it wasn't fun for them? Responsibilities? In a video game? Wow, to get to that stage where playing is more of a chore than it is fun, means you need to get your head sorted and your priorities straight. Not talking about YOU specifically, but people who don't find it 'fun' to play and carry on as if they head a gun to their head forcing them to do something they don't enjoy.
Unfortunatly this is what Eve has become and I would say for the large majority of players in particular null secers. Its not uncommon for a Null Sec alliance to require their players to set alarm clocks, skip work to run ops and require people to play marathon waiting sessions as nothing happens. People try to blame the Sov mechanics, and perhaps they are to blame for much of this type of gameplay, but I think these days its far more the leadership of the circle jerk alliances who refuse to fight each other that's the problem. Way too much diplomacy, negotiation and bloc building going on and that has nothing to do with mechanics and everything to do with people effectively allowing their gameplay to be controlled by a bunch of douchbags like Mittani.. I mean christ the CEO of the largest alliance in the game doesn't even actually play Eve and hasn't for a few years now. Why would anyone want to have anything to do with a leader of an alliance who has no interest in the game other than to manipulate politics from outside of the game.
Its gotten really stupid these days. Its why Null Sec is effectively dying in terms of anyone actually giving a crap about it. Most of these alliance blocs will eventually fall apart not because of wars but out of sheer boredom. Null Sec Sov Warefare is no longer the end game in Eve, its really become nothing more than a big time sink with little action. Blob fights hardly create entertaining gameplay.
The best gameplay in Eve right now is small focused corps that group up and fly together in which case it doesn't matter what they do. There is nothing like being in Low Sec running an op with 6-7 of your buddies while on TS. I used to run with some null sec alliances and really it was probobly the most boring experiance I have end in my 7 year career in Eve, even more boring than mining. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Ghazu
536
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:53:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Nissui wrote:Not everyone plays EVE for fun. Even if you were a member of a major alliance and did play for fun, you have a responsibility to those of your comrades who are rock-hard for things like territory control and ever-expanding wallets. That's part of sharing the sandbox. Haven't read the whole thread, but this line caught my eye. WTF, why would someone continute playing if it wasn't fun for them? Responsibilities? In a video game? Wow, to get to that stage where playing is more of a chore than it is fun, means you need to get your head sorted and your priorities straight. Not talking about YOU specifically, but people who don't find it 'fun' to play and carry on as if they head a gun to their head forcing them to do something they don't enjoy. Unfortunatly this is what Eve has become and I would say for the large majority of players in particular null secers. Its not uncommon for a Null Sec alliance to require their players to set alarm clocks, skip work to run ops and require people to play marathon waiting sessions as nothing happens. People try to blame the Sov mechanics, and perhaps they are to blame for much of this type of gameplay, but I think these days its far more the leadership of the circle jerk alliances who refuse to fight each other that's the problem. Way too much diplomacy, negotiation and bloc building going on and that has nothing to do with mechanics and everything to do with people effectively allowing their gameplay to be controlled by a bunch of douchbags like Mittani.. I mean christ the CEO of the largest alliance in the game doesn't even actually play Eve and hasn't for a few years now. Why would anyone want to have anything to do with a leader of an alliance who has no interest in the game other than to manipulate politics from outside of the game. Its gotten really stupid these days. Its why Null Sec is effectively dying in terms of anyone actually giving a crap about it. Most of these alliance blocs will eventually fall apart not because of wars but out of sheer boredom. no opertunities for oppertunistic corporation like yours lol? you do not focus on any particular element of the game, but rather exploit every opertunity and seek out various experiance of Eve's gameplay. Be prepared to do it all?
http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
231
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:09:00 -
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Quote:no opertunities for oppertunistic corporation like yours lol? you do not focus on any particular element of the game, but rather exploit every opertunity and seek out various experiance of Eve's gameplay. Be prepared to do it all?
Not sure what point your trying to make? The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2549
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:30:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Unfortunatly this is what Eve has become and I would say for the large majority of players in particular null secers. Its not uncommon for a Null Sec alliance to require their players to set alarm clocks, skip work to run ops and require people to play marathon waiting sessions as nothing happens. People try to blame the Sov mechanics, and perhaps they are to blame for much of this type of gameplay, but I think these days its far more the leadership of the circle jerk alliances who refuse to fight each other that's the problem. Way too much diplomacy, negotiation and bloc building going on and that has nothing to do with mechanics and everything to do with people effectively allowing their gameplay to be controlled by a bunch of douchbags like Mittani.. I mean christ the CEO of the largest alliance in the game doesn't even actually play Eve and hasn't for a few years now. Why would anyone want to have anything to do with a leader of an alliance who has no interest in the game other than to manipulate politics from outside of the game.
1. No, that would be very uncommon (as in: I've never, ever been asked, let alone required, to alarm clock an op, skip work, etc).
2. It has nothing to do with the leaders, it has everything to do with the fact that 1+1>1.
3. "No interest in the game except to influence the game"? What an odd sentiment. How can one have no interest in a game except for having an interest in affecting the game and providing content for those he leads? Who are you to say that politicking is not "playing the game?" This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
106
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Posted - 2013.02.01 09:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:2. It has nothing to do with the leaders, it has everything to do with the fact that 1+1>1.
Of course it has to do with the leaders. Why haven't all of the leaders backstabbed each other and put personal glory ahead of some silly alliance? Why hasn't every blob of blues torn itself apart over greed/petty grudges/etc? Where is the ambition to LEAD and not simply follow someone else and keep the safe easy profits coming in? This is EVE, not Polite and Profitable Commerce Online. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
192
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:13:00 -
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in all hoensty im pretty sure there is not that much in the way of fighting over sov is because NO ONE and i mean NO ONE likes the very painfull "Timer grind" it takes to make your way through someone elses sov, shooting a single structure for a good hour or so is not so much fun as some folks may thing, would rave have it out with rookie ships at dawn tbh ... would be much more fun :-P |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3631
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:ok my mistake then. Of course that proves that null is just fine on the pvp front then Nullsec has a lot of PvP. The basic mechanics of PVP in Null are fun (unlimited escalation, no game mechanical punishment for aggression, bubbles, etc.), and nobody who lives in null is really complaining about them (well, there are the AFK cloak whines, but ). The 2 biggest problems with Null are Sov Mechanics and Carrying Capacity (i.e. livability), along with the broader (i.e. not strictly limited to null) issue of Alliance income sourcing. Fixing the first two would almost certainly increase the absolute number of ships destroyed in Null (better Sov Mechanics = More fights over Sov instead of "Blue or Fight to the Death," better carrying capacity = more targets ratters actually living in the space they own).
Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1212
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:34:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote: To the point, alliances and peope are lazy ( lack of big battles) because of broken sov and war mechanic this give them feeling (here no sense to fight on big scale in blob war) in big perspective large battle and total destruction are rare things, in fact this whole supper aliances are lazy expoliters who expolit broken war mechanic most of them prefer carebearing and safe game style, years long, and join battle only on occasion of if they realy forced to big fights.
While I respect your low sec play, at least according to Eve kill, you seem to have very little null-sec experience and very little combat experience to be throwing around the term "care-bear". Unless of course this is an alt in which case post with your main.
Back to the topic - yes the war mechanic is broken. However the lack of destruction is not due to "player laziness" but rather the fact that sov grinding is a painful, arduous task requiring multiple alarm-clock ops since logic dictates your target will set his timers for your weakest time zone. So null sec players now hate sov grinding with a passion and you would too once you've done it a few times. And as for fleet battles, everyone loves those. What we don't love is lag, or the present incarnation of lag re-named "TiDi". When you've fought enough with 10% Tidi in battles you will realize how frustrating it is. Frustrating to the point that you try to avoid large battles also.
Therefore player "laziness" is not really the problem, but rather that people play Eve for FUN because it's a game, and both large fleet battles and sov grinding are NOT FUN. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3631
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:38:00 -
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tl;dr we like shooting things that move and shoot back Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
dexington
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
559
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:tl;dr we like shooting things that move and shoot back
belt rats? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3631
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:41:00 -
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players* Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Irya Boone
Federal Defense Union
167
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Posted - 2013.02.01 11:10:00 -
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maybe people play the way they want .....
Work as intended. Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2556
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:16:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2. It has nothing to do with the leaders, it has everything to do with the fact that 1+1>1. Of course it has to do with the leaders. Why haven't all of the leaders backstabbed each other and put personal glory ahead of some silly alliance? Why hasn't every blob of blues torn itself apart over greed/petty grudges/etc? Where is the ambition to LEAD and not simply follow someone else and keep the safe easy profits coming in? This is EVE, not Polite and Profitable Commerce Online.
Because they're not irrationally vindictive?
What personal glory is there in dissolving an coalition in order to fight among yourselves with the prize being to have everyone's empire destroyed by that guy over there?
Rational people tend to work together because 1+1>1.
The real world is similar. You're basically asking why NATO hasn't started shooting at each other, why OPEC still controls much of Oil Pricing, and why every country is not at war with its neighbors literally all the time. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Knights of Athena Eve Engineering
206
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:30:00 -
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Kari Juptris wrote:I'm going to tell you what everyone who actually lives out in nullsec is thinking:
You're a hisec mission runner who has no idea what he's talking about. Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to have fights like Asakai several times a month just for fun. Well, not those who actually own the type of ship you're interested in seeing brawl anyway. You're also implying that we should fight to entertain you.
Shove off.
Are you not entertained? It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3633
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:32:00 -
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Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
dexington
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
562
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.
blue everyone any whine about no fights? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2424
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:58:00 -
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Wow the OP was made at 18:56.
Establishment post was made at 18:59.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3356
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Posted - 2013.02.02 03:55:00 -
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dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do. blue everyone any whine about no fights? Haha, we've been fighting recently, too. That's great stuff. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2207
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:25:00 -
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dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do. blue everyone any whine about no fights?
This post confirms that the huge fight in lowsec didn't happen. It's all a Glenn Beck conspiracy. I'll probably-ábe banned for this |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1079
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do. blue everyone any whine about no fights? This post confirms that the huge fight in lowsec didn't happen. It's all a Glenn Beck conspiracy.
Those types of fights use to be more common, doesn't seem so much now. Granted I haven't been paying much attention lately. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
774
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Posted - 2013.02.02 15:18:00 -
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So meny people are against my therard and opinion about this matter, i tell you somthing i dont care, even some dev likes my other post where i mention about this boken aspect, for sure in close futrure you have to adapt to changes, and please stop mention that im carebear and i have no idea how things works in null space, everyone with opened mind and eyes know what is going on.
Ps. Thanks to all involed who are against broken mechanic and static lazy alliances behavior. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
774
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Posted - 2013.02.02 15:40:00 -
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I realise that large battles isn't fun in every case also would be cool if CCP focus on small pvp features scale etc, because a lot people like small pvp, but i talk only in general, here to much stuf just wainting to explode while more dynamic and spontaneous alliances decisions, instead of months longs blobs or boring aliance exist (which result to bulid more and more titans which never come to usage) beause of directors strategy or thier permission to atack others one time per year, this should be fixed,
Meny people hate these who avoid big fights or any fight it self, but before you judge other look at your self and big alliances... EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Pepper Mind
Spicy Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:16:00 -
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With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local. I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
774
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:22:00 -
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Pepper Mind wrote:With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local. I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec.
Agree with you, i dont care how big alliances affect hi sek, also i dont care about thier kill mails or thier or mine alts kill boards... I mention only that null space if filed with powerblocks who siting years long is same area and do nothing months long, exept battles initiated by mistakes or when somone force them to fight like enemy or much wose thier directors... EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Ghazu
540
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:25:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Pepper Mind wrote:With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local. I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec. Agree with you, i dont care how big alliances affect hi sek, also i dont care about thier kill mails or thier or mine alts kill boards... I mention only that null space if filed with powerblocks who siting years long is same area and do nothing months long, exept battles initiated by mistakes or when somone force them to fight like enemy or much wose thier directors... what about high sec filled with afk botting miners and do nothing months long? http://www.minerbumping.com/
lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Pepper Mind
Spicy Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:29:00 -
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I think you should put your energy in your present, in projects, which affect you. Thinking about great alliances in the deep-space shows me, that you put your focus wrong. But - I like this thread |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
169
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:33:00 -
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Posting in another
people should play the game like i want /like and if they don't they are silly , I'am the only one To know How the game should be played .
so glad i'm IN Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
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