Tell you what get your goons buddies onboard and recruit existing industrialist player to live in you're NPC station, give them protection services and they will fill you're NPC station full of items, just drop the requirements that joining must be SA forums.

Im curious about this.

http://eve.1019.net/pos/?ct=00&mod=03030303031N1N1N1N1N1O1O1O1O1O1P1P1P1P1P0V0V0V0V0W0W0W0W0U0U&off=

That has more production slots than a hisec station 5x, they can be traded around if you want to make more and it can be tanked better without losing as much production as a station.
And as there are more moons than stations well why are you complaining?
Aside from logistics but that is separate from your claim.

See now that is a better argument than saying you cant match production in high (as disclosure I ran a large minmatar pos in Namaili and made my first billion that way) you cant make as much profit as a hisec station per item but you can make more profit through sheer volume.

As for the wardeccing and all, I laugh as you can shove the pos in a back water system and work there.
Probably safer than having to deal with the war dec and take down in hisec.

Whatever point is you can build as much in null as in hi, you just find it less risky to riskless to do so in hi.

Which is what I said.
You CAN do industry easily in null, you just would rather not face the risk of doing so.

ability != superior

Gee, I didn't know there was a game mechanic that prohibited POS's with assembly arrays in null sec.
News flash for you: Any competent industrialist builds out of a POS, since he wants to keep his char's mfg capabilities maxed, and not rely on the vagaries of station mfg slot availability.

But you knew that already.

This whole campaign is about disinformation, just like any other null sec propaganda campaign.

You want to increase station mfg slots in null, I have no issue with that.
It won't change the fact that null sec players make more money/hour ratting than they can doing industrial work, therefore STILL won't do null sec industry.

I DID do null sec industry, on a corporate level, and we made tons for the corp, but no way was it as much as the income from ratting taxes.

Basically, you want CCP to alter the sandbox to do what you can't: Force your members to do null sec industry by destroying high sec industry and making null sec industry profits as easy as collecting moon goo, or belt ratting, or anom ratting.

Really? You make all your T2 modules in stations?
Tell me more about the mechanics of that, given that when I ran a personal large POS I had 3 Equipment assembly arrays going and Component Assembly Arrays. I would have the equipment arrays going full bore, plus usually 1 component array.
That is 28 slots full bore. Now, given the 25% mfg bonus, that works out to the equivalent of about 37 mfg slots I had at my single POS.

The system I was in had 3 stations, 50 slots at each station.
It also had 28 moons. Some time ago, I did a survey one night when I was bored. EVERY moon had a POS up, with about 80% turned on.
If we low ball each online POS at 25 mfg slots, that works out to 28 * 25 *.8 = 560 mfg slots at POS's, compared to the 150 slots at stations. And we all know that 28 moons in a system is far below average.

You want to make BS's, and BC's, sure, you crank up a long run at a station. You want to make anything else, you do it a POS, where you control the means of production.

So please stop with your ridiculous statements.

so the next question is:

large alliances have complete control of the tech in game. This is a fact.

Without resorting to 'the minerals i mine are free' there is a significant profit from tech - even taking into consideration labour and running costs. Its a very, very large mostly passive income.

It is a major building block of T2 production. In fact it is THE major building block of T2 production.

so as I see it this poses a couple of further questions:

1. if the 'average' members of large alliances had equal shares of the profits from tech would that negate the loss of operating in null sec - assuming that you DID have enough slots?

2. While the profits from the major T2 component are going into the alliance pocket to cover Titans etc is there any reason to change the current situation at all?

I have seen your arguments as to why the current situation is bad but tbh your leaders are large contributors to this situation. You are kind of sayinng 'it costs too much to operate in null' as one of your arguments whilst at the same time your organisation as a whole is sitting on the biggest ISK source in the entire universe. It doesnt add up.

It would make more sense to me that passive income like this should go into the pockets of the whole alliance to help make it worthwhile operating in null and then tax from your feudal system should cover the Titans, ship replacements etc.

So whilst you can argue that high sec industry is tied into null sec production it is equally plain to see that any change to high sec in that area should be balanced with both null sec production changes AND null sec moon mining changes.

2nd edit: so if you had to mine tech like you have to mine rocks what would the projected result be?

CCP can verify the location with the most botters, but can't do anything about the botters. Huh... Curious.

By the way: prove it. Please provide a link to support your statement.

They do? Awesome... so you have links to verifiable, reliable info on that other than Holy Unholiness or whatever that tripe was called? Kewl, thanks.

Remember, "Forge is the seat of all botting." Looking for links. Thanks.

And this is also something you guys will have to fface at some point. Keeping to negate the ezsistance of the problem, shrugging "is not my problem", "ok but in The Forge there're more" is not going to help you.

When I lived in 0.0 (was about from 2007 to 2009) I remember for corporations and alliances was a point of honor to chase botters (were mostly ratting bot at that time) and any group or individual suspected to deal with this were treated like an infected.

Today we read from 0.0 alliances forum, mails and chat logs showing as is absolutelly normal and accepted to live with botting farms, we see coalition leaders tallking about collecting and "cleaning" founds from botting needed for the next war.

We se alliance leaders sendng alliance mail to say "hey folks be carefull with botting and RTM we cannot risk to loose some of our capital pilots if CCP ban hammer falls"

If you don't see this as problem in the fiirst place you're doomed; keep negating the problem only corroborate the idea you folks are in some way only suggest the idea that directly or indirectly connive with this; that, I'm sure, is not the case.

True problem of 0.0 is that a small group manage it for REAL interest (that means real money too), thi is one of the core reason why with time you blued everyone.

"Is not our problem, CCP have to fix it". Sure, but why don't you put the same lobby effort to press this instead of just asking the T2 monopoly as gift? No industry buff or monpoly will never be able to counter groups relying on botting farms. You claim to be "the most relevant player groups in EVE" cool, why don't you act accordingly instead of continuosly negating this severe issue?

exactly "you did do something...". killed like 10% of botters and 90% of people while "fighting bots".

Don't you think anyone forgot about those "tears" everyone were crying about? Bots don't produce it. SO once you said "tears" you show - you fight real people.

even with such easy spotting you managed to kill 40% of real players?
such a great job! I guess everyone will agree to any medical operation with such conditions....

you really don't see anything wrong here?

and here we have reasons why those legendary "high sec bears" from your first post put an end to it.

And you know: there is nothing wrong with stopping people from making money from you.

But smaller scale corps cant build caps and titans to defend ageist something like that unless they working for a large established alliance..

How dose new blood move in to try to move in and establish itself?

Held up in Y-4 station for most of that, if my memory serves me right.