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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:08:00 -
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rats do tend to switch target to your drones now although im still trying to figure out why as this does not happen all the time
Personally i hate this change as it makes the domi totaly useless same for the ishtar and the vexor and any other drone ship.
The big problem in this is the fact drones are the only effective weapons bs have left against smaller ships and if while rat hunting rats start taking em out first its gonna suck big time as you will need a fleet to hunt soome belt rats in 0.0 wich is bad it will also cut back profit non miners are making and diminishing the amount of named loot on the markets both in empire and in 0.0.
basically my 2 isk on this as a domi pilot this change SUCKS big time
I havent had time to test this but if true CCP just killed all possibilite to kill npc in drone ships.I cant believe this i just started enjoying my ishtar.And nothing was in patch notes.
Pls rethink it you just nerfed a ship class out of existence for pve.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:09:00 -
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Drawing fire by opening up with the actual ship before releasing the drones doesn't work?
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Solarfury
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:14:00 -
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It is true. NPC indeed switch to drones more often than before. My Ishkur used to kill lots of stuff in belts and missions without lose too many drones. Ever since the patch, unless I target each rat and hit them at least once, rats will simply switch to my drones. Early today, I lost 7 drones in matter of 30 minutes while huntin in a .2 system. This has never happened before. During missions with my apoc, I don't release drones until the last 6 of them. I have to target each one, do a bit of damage then release drones. It is the only way to keep drones alive.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:23:00 -
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Superb there goes all drone carriers against npc especially deep in 0.0 .And there goes all my 1,5 last month training and buying/outfiting ishtar.
I cant believe this why the change?Drones werent overpowered or anything agisnt npc..
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:31:00 -
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There is a trick around this...
Let them all lock on you and fire before deploying drones and they will not attack them...
Tried and tested.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:34:00 -
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To all the people saying 'let them aggro you first', you're wrong. The original poster is correct to assume something is different, because I've noticed it too. The npcs will randomly switch targets and start popping drones.
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PetroAMeaWorlock
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:37:00 -
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is simple i use drones for npc hunting in 0.0 and i dont lose not a single one because i let npc go in her optimal range and only then i lunch my drone after them ! so let npc come to their optimal then lunch drone will be ok after that !!!
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Ariel322
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:41:00 -
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Its true and it sucks. I lost a buncha drones from my Ishtar and in 0.0 far from the nearest station, that can be a real pain.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 05:41:00 -
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 Originally by: PetroAMeaWorlock
is simple i use drones for npc hunting in 0.0 and i dont lose not a single one because i let npc go in her optimal range and only then i lunch my drone after them ! so let npc come to their optimal then lunch drone will be ok after that !!!
According to previous posts tahts exactly what changed it doesnt work anymore, even if npc attack you first they tend to switch target after you launch drones.
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Mister Meaner
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Posted - 2005.07.11 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Meaner on 11/07/2005 06:22:52
I stopped mission running in my vexor and started mining for my battlecruiser because if this bug. No matter what i did i could not keep aggro on me and off mah drones.
Lost 15 heavys over the course of 4 hours to lvl 2 mission frig swarms :-( and damn missiles from npcs that always hit for full damage. Me little buddies didnt stand a chance 
*edit* will add that i got 5 of those stop the invasion ones against caldari navy in a row here :-P caldari dont like me no more. but losing my mission rewards and bonus's to replace lost drones is really not fun when u are only running level 2's
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Dukath
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Posted - 2005.07.11 06:24:00 -
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I noticed it too, i tried some NPCing and it is possible but you will still lose drones. Remote armor repairers help keep the drones alive but they are not effective enough.
I think i can safe 1 out of every 3 drones that get attacked by recalling them to the ship as soon as they get shot at and repairing them. Most of them will die before they get in range of my repper though.
faster drones, especially when returning to the ship would really be nice now with this change.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.07.11 06:36:00 -
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I found deadspace missions are fine itÆs the none deadspace missions that are hard. On level 4 missions I find it next to impossible even in groups. As soon as I launch my drones all the rats seem to focus on the drones and unlock the battleships. I lose millions of Isk in drones per mission and all my skills points are in drones not other weapon systems.
My support Crusier has the same problem now that everything likes to lock it I have to fit a full tank. Only when I fit a full tank I donÆt have the cap regen left to heal other peopleÆs ships making it pointless to fly a support cruiser.
Now 3 of my professions are have been destroyed and I have 15 million ish wasted skill points.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:33:00 -
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I fear its no bug its new feature
If it stays we really really need something to make drones better,double or triple armour/shields or just double /triple the drone bay space.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:47:00 -
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Didn't they do this before, and then remove it again?
I'm getting a strong deja vu feeling here.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:52:00 -
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I've been NPC'ing in 0.0 since the patch and haven't noticed any difference, the only time I lost a drone was when chaining a duel 750k spawn and cruisers that popped in targeted a drone instead of me.
I only release my drones when the NPC's are firing at me and in optimal as I've always found they can switch targets if not.
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:58:00 -
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I have hunted in 0.0 with my Ishtar for a couple of days now and the trick is that all must agro u _and_ be in there range of u before u let your drones out, if u let your drones out before they are in there optimal range they will switch target.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:01:00 -
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i discovered that my drones only get attacked after i let them loose not telling them who to attack. if i have the whole spawn aggroing me but do not pay attention to drones do not give them commands they get shot.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:25:00 -
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ok thanks for tips guys will try it i really hope it works.
Anyway personally was alwys hunting like that so no change for me if it works its ok for me.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 11/07/2005 10:26:08
I have yet to see any npc's switch targets onto my drones since the patch 
My ishtar pwns level 4 missions atm.
Edit: I havent had any normal space missions so far though.
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Alex Tremayne
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:41:00 -
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I've only tried this on L3 missions (normal and deadspace) but I've found that rather than just getting the aggro If you wait until everyone is actually shooting you (red brackets rather than yellow) they don't switch to the drones. Otherwise all yellow bracketed targets switch and destroy them. Don't know if this will help on L4 missions though.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
rats do tend to switch target to your drones now although im still trying to figure out why as this does not happen all the time
Personally i hate this change as it makes the domi totaly useless same for the ishtar and the vexor and any other drone ship.
I tested Domi in lvl3, lvl4 missions and in some belts and didn't see any NPC switching target( my locked ship) to my drones. I did found that some of my drones were damaged, but it happens only when missile NPC's were present. Could it be from the FOF missiles? I am not sure. More testing needed.
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lisa Run on 11/07/2005 10:51:46
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 11/07/2005 10:26:08
I have yet to see any npc's switch targets onto my drones since the patch
My ishtar pwns level 4 missions atm.
Depends on the npcs or their distance, if they switch target or not. I have never seen fregattes/initis at close range switching targets.
BUT if you find a spawn with some intis, Arch Angel Legionares (cruisers) and e.g. a BS, then most of the Legionaires WILL switch their targets as soon as you put your drones out. Maybe because Legionaires are no close range cruisers, but try to stay at about 25 km optimum range.
If've seen it a lot, that Angel Cruisers switch targets immediately and pump their missiles into the drones. And even heavy drones go down very fast.
P.S: 'Scoop to dronebay' needs a fix. It's not possible to scoop 9/10 drones, if the last 1 is out of range. With 10 drones out and a moving ship, these 10 drones are almost never all in range, no matter how often you click 'return and orbit', so you have to scoop them all manually 1 by 1. This doesn't make sense. If you select 10 drones, 'scoop to dronebay' should scoop all drones that are in range immediately and not complain about the others that are not in range and do nothing.
/edit It's really that they are switching targets, because:
1) all cruiser crosses red in the overview
2) you start drones
3) most cruiser crosses change to yellow in the overview immediately
4) they start shooting missiles at the drones
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:50:00 -
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Heh, there will probably be new drone skills that add armor, Shields, deccrease signature radius.
It will be like the Missile nerf. You will have to train new skills for a mont or 2 to get back to where Drones are worth using.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:11:00 -
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Quote:
If you select 10 drones, 'scoop to dronebay' should scoop all drones that are in range immediately and not complain about the others that are not in range and do nothing.
Signed.
I dont care too much about agro but scooping yhem all to dronebay manually drives me crazy 8(
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 11/07/2005 11:22:37
I have never noticed this. Ever. Given the availible info, I gather this is because I always attack every enemy I want to attack me at least once. Aggroing a single group is, apparantly, not enough. And I don't let anyone in my team attack with their released drones until the enemies are red (firing at me, not just targetting me). It seems to work perfectly. Always has. I'm a complex-runner, specifically a tank. I thought remote repairing would be out of the question now with the NPCs retargetting but apparantly not. It still works fine, I've only had an NPC switch targets on me once and I think I had forgotten to fire at him.
What I do is, I have a small laser I call my targetting laser which I use to aggro the enemies. Frigates first, then cruisers that target me from that group, then battleships. The laser is there to fill a turret slot that I can't fit a gun into with a purpose and it works well.
Originally by: Kerby Lane
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If you select 10 drones, 'scoop to dronebay' should scoop all drones that are in range immediately and not complain about the others that are not in range and do nothing.
Signed.
I dont care too much about agro but scooping yhem all to dronebay manually drives me crazy 8(
With the new drone acceleration, I never have this problem. The trick is never using drones with differing speeds. Want to use ogres? Use ALL ogres. The problem is that the drones act as a group. If one of them shuts his MWD off, they all do. That means if one of them is slower than the rest due to being a different type, he'll be left behind.
Originally by: Olivin
I tested Domi in lvl3, lvl4 missions and in some belts and didn't see any NPC switching target( my locked ship) to my drones. I did found that some of my drones were damaged, but it happens only when missile NPC's were present. Could it be from the FOF missiles? I am not sure. More testing needed.
It's true, FOF missiles have a tendancy to hit drones now. They're a good drone defence.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 11/07/2005 11:22:37
I have never noticed this. Ever. Given the availible info, I gather this is because I always attack every enemy I want to attack me at least once. Aggroing a single group is, apparantly, not enough.
Does someone need to FRAPS this or something before people will start believing that rats change aggro? I don't run missions at all, I'm refering to belts in 0.0. For instance, this happened earlier, I fire at a guardian elder, take a shot at each of the troopers and they all goto yellow and then red aggro. I then launch my drones on the elder. With the drones about halfway to the target, the elder and the troopers all drop "red" status against me and open up on the drones and ogres don't have a chance against cruiser guns.
BTW - this was in a megathron with 5x425, 1 350 and 2 cruise so the "mothership" would be the "greater threat" than the drones.
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Ellesarion Rathe
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:34:00 -
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What I have had to do is continually swap out drones as they get damaged. I carry 3x my normal amount of medium drones, and as one or two get damaged, I bring them back and scoop them in, then launch a new drone. All the while, keeping my distance. It has been a major pain, as before I could go several conflicts without any drone damage at all, or very little. Now, I have to go back and repair drones about every other mission/belt encounter.
Also, I noticed that even if you only take shield damage, you have to repair your ship, because internal systems have been damaged. But thats another thread.
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