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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:12:00 -
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FBI Banned from Iceland
Quote:FBI agents landed in Reykjav+”k without prior notification in an attempt to investigate WikiLeaks operations in the country, but Home Secretary +ūgmundur J+¦nasson found out about the visit and forced them to leave the country, with the Icelandic government then issuing a formal protest to US authorities
Countdown until Iceland is declared a rogue nation begins now. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
710
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:56:00 -
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I'm liking them icylanders more and more [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
970
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:12:00 -
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Good |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
129
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:22:00 -
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FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
389
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:34:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
Ha!
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5251
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:40:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
Merica, other countries laws don't apply.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
711
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:59:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. by God, there is another country besides our Holy Union of States? preposterous! these rebels need to be taken down! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
490
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:08:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:FBI Banned from IcelandQuote:FBI agents landed in Reykjav+”k without prior notification in an attempt to investigate WikiLeaks operations in the country, but Home Secretary +ūgmundur J+¦nasson found out about the visit and forced them to leave the country, with the Icelandic government then issuing a formal protest to US authorities Countdown until Iceland is declared a rogue nation begins now. Nope. 'Cause we have important defense installations in Iceland. Can't jeopardize that... FBI gets to suck its thumb and sulk.
Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
224
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:17:00 -
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They just wanted to get a good place in line for Fanfest. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1584
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:11:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops!
I think they may be used to not having to ask permission, even though they're supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5001
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:29:00 -
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Love Iceland. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5258
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:38:00 -
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You're from the FBI?, look how many fecks we give.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
stoicfaux
2276
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:43:00 -
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Idiots! Sheeple! Those who undervalue tinfoil! Two words: plausible deniability.
That's the *public* version of what happened. *Privately*, the Icelandic Guv'ment is cooperating with the US.
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Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey
3
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:14:00 -
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Given that a fair number of US embassies have FBI attached as "legal attaches" in order to help clear up any US Citizen legal issues with that country, FBI agents abroad isn't unusual.
A bunch managing to so publicly screw up their paperwork, though, is. The FBI is usually on top of properly filling out their paperwork.
I'm thinking that there were political "issues" here; to get a FBI Special-Agent-in-Charge (SAC) to screw the pooch like that (especially in a country like Iceland, where it's well-known the local media will quickly pick up and spread the screw-up), either the SAC was a complete incompetent (fairly rare, and the US Justice Departmen usually doesn't let them out of the country for fear of diplomatic incidents) or someone higher up the SAC's "food chain" gave firm orders to violate protocol (not to mention international treaties, several USG regulations, and a couple US laws) in order to "make it happen".
What a bunch of idiots.
A) The US State Department exists for a reason. Their actual diplomatic personnel (as opposed to the support staff, like the tech experts and security specialists) may (mostly) be very liberal, "left-wing", Ivy-League Sunni-lovers (or at least usually perceived that way)...but they're fairly competent at their jobs. There is a reason Sovereign Nations have diplomats. Use them. When choosing to pursue your interest "legally" with an "allied/friendly" nation, "Better to ask foregiveness than permission" is not the way to go. Apparently someone in the FBI forgot this. The FBI follow the rules.
B) If you want to be all "sneaky" and say "screw the rules" as a nation...well, that's why the five Pemanent Members of the UN Security Council each have fairly large, relatively well-funded covert/clandestine intelligence/security agencies. You want someone to sneak into a "friendly" and talk to people? Call a spy (well, their supervising intelligence agency). Most FBI agents (most US Federal Law Enforcement agents, actually) don't do either "sneak" or "subtle" worth a damn. Spies usually do.
C) If WikiLeaks is such a big "threat to US national security", than treat it like a threat to US national security. Do you see too much about China, Pakistan or even Russia of the sort of stuff you see about the US? No. Why? Because WikiLeaks manages to do that to China (major leak of seriously-damaging internal paperwork), WikiLeaks would not be long for this world. Servers would start being destroyed, cyberwarfare would start killing any and all attempts to host any form of the site, and the people actually behind WikiLeaks would start turning up dead. (Whether "accidental" or blatantly assassinated is a moot point.) This is because China, succintly, "doesn't play". Do I agree with such a policy, personally? Almost never. (There is always an exception; WikiLeaks is not one of them.) But the US (thankfully) "plays by the rules".
Bottom line, the US Government needs to figure out what it's doing versus WikiLeaks, set out a formal (written) policy, and then follow it. Granted, the chances of this happening--given some of the recurrent flaws of the last two to three US 'Administrations' in the fields of defense, security, and law--are not likely. Given the usual (decent) level of competence from most US agencies if left alone with a clear goal, consistent funding, and without political meddling (like most similiar agencies in functional governments the world over), if the elected idiots would just set a goal and let their "minions" do their jobs, they would get results, more than likely. But US politicians can't seem to understand that anymore.
Expect to see yet more unwarranted arrogance and "diplo-FAIL!" in related to WikiLeaks. I just wander who'll the USG will **** off (or **** off further) next? UK? France? Iceland so badly that all US passport holders are closely scrutinized? Israel...wait, they already hate the US. Germany? Mexico? Canada? Bahrain? Qatar? Kuwait? Australia? Who knows where it will end.
But expect similiar headlines, that is my assessment. Mostly because of political wants overriding legal facts...at least until someone calls them on their bullshit. Falsum pax somni adfert solum dolore de memoria. |
Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey
3
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:16:00 -
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Stoic, likely not. Iceland's government usually means what it says publicly on matters like this.
Maybe they got treated with too much condenscion during the height of the Cold War and the US presence in Iceland? (I be pissed off too if I invited someone into my home and they then looked down on me.) Falsum pax somni adfert solum dolore de memoria. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7178
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:42:00 -
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We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-į |
Loco Kamikaze
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:53:00 -
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there's a bit of history between the US and Iceland, involves a US occupation. until very recently. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5258
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:53:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote
Just don't give them your banking system, theirs is screwed enough as it is
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7179
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:55:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote Just don't give them your banking system, theirs is screwed enough as it is
You'd think they'd want bailouts funded by the american peoples "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-į |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
502
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:22:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare. Plausible. If so, a serious error.
Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey wrote:
> Much excellent stuff <
Categorical yet succinct, and accurate too. Here, have all my "Likes."
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Shalia Ripper
332
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:23:00 -
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FBI Director stated "We thought it was part of Alaska" Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
262
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Posted - 2013.02.02 09:30:00 -
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Its a bit of diplomatic faux pas to send any kind of law enforcement agents to another country without permission or notification in the first place. The Assange case is controversial enough without making it worse. I would not be surprised if they didn't ask permission precisely because they expected that the Icelandic authorities didn't want to cooperate. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
355
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Posted - 2013.02.02 10:55:00 -
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They probably thought the FBI was after their cod. Icelanders are very protective about their cod. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
173
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Posted - 2013.02.02 12:03:00 -
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I thought Iceland had already been classed as a rogue state by the UK when gordon brown asked for our money back from the icelandic banks when they went **** up . rofl i still remember the look on his face on the tv when iceland stuck two fingers up at him ... |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
130
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Posted - 2013.02.02 12:29:00 -
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Thank you for explaining the fbi thing, i had no idea. Live and learn |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3392
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Posted - 2013.02.02 14:40:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
This is America we are talking about. Rules do not actually exist for any of its operations. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3392
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Posted - 2013.02.02 14:42:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare.
I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead.
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
HankMurphy
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.02 15:24:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
little do we know, it was all part of the plan
/nonchalantly walks away as thread self destructs |
baltec1
Bat Country
5011
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Posted - 2013.02.02 17:57:00 -
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HankMurphy wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
little do we know, it was all part of the plan /nonchalantly walks away as thread self destructs
"Aliens" |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1620
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Posted - 2013.02.03 04:05:00 -
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If they attempted to land in Iceland and start investigations with no communications with local authorities, I can understand them being sent home. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
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Astenion
Infinite Potential
175
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare. I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead. Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
Why would they send the CIA? The CIA isn't law enforcement and they weren't there to collect intelligence.
FBI - Federal Bureau of Investigation
CIA - Central Intelligence Agency
See the difference? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3392
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:17:00 -
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Astenion wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare. I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead. Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM. Why would they send the CIA? The CIA isn't law enforcement and they weren't there to collect intelligence. FBI - Federal Bureau of Investigation CIA - Central Intelligence Agency See the difference?
Settle down.
It was a joke. Jeez, u mad about it bro ? America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
175
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:41:00 -
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Loco Kamikaze wrote:there's a bit of history between the US and Iceland, involves a US occupation. until quite recently.
Ahem, no...there was no US OCCUPATION of Iceland. Presence and occupation are two different things.
Iceland hosted US Navy and Air Force installations BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MILITARY WHATSOEVER and they were a key strategic point in the Cold War for both East and West. Iceland felt the partnership was beneficial to both parties, as the US had a key position which was a deterrent for Soviet invasion while Iceland was protected by American forces.
Now, many of their installations have shut down due to zero need for an American presence there. There are still some ongoing operations, but nothing like the Cold War era.
NATO countries can kick out Americans from their bases any time they want to, that's part of the agreement. They never do because the rent the US pays to use their bases in Italy, Germany, the UK, Iceland, etc. is good for their economy and politicians don't wanna get rid of the golden goose. In fact, the US SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN NATO because the entire reason for its existence was to help fledgeling EU countries after WW2 get back on their feet and rebuild their military, something they never did, at least never to the extent that they would be able to defend themselves from a major threat without American support. They were afraid of Soviet invasion after the war and an extremely weak Europe would have been very easy to conquer. Hence, American presence.
I'm with former Secretary of Defense Gates when he said the US has no business in NATO, that the EU can wear big boy pants now and take care of themselves. |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
175
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:44:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Astenion wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare. I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead. Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM. Why would they send the CIA? The CIA isn't law enforcement and they weren't there to collect intelligence. FBI - Federal Bureau of Investigation CIA - Central Intelligence Agency See the difference? Settle down. It was a joke. Jeez, u mad about it bro ?
You should really work on being funny, then. And no, I am not mad about it. Bro. /Sheldon
Some dumbass in the FBI "forgot" to complete the required paperwork and bureaucracy to investigate on foreign soil, so naturally the host country isn't going to give them free reign over their own sovereignty. They deny them access to investigate, end of story. Big deal, nothing to see here. Don't get me wrong...I think it's HILARIOUS. I just don't understand what the FBI was thinking; did they think Iceland wouldn't mind? Everyone knows Scandinavia (you can add Iceland to that as well) despises America. The people who say they don't are just being friendly or are ignorant and the only thing they know about Scandinavia is black metal, IKEA, and the Dudesons. This goes to show just how out of touch the FBI is to not have foreseen this. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
502
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead.
Being an intelligence collection agency, the CIA is singularly un-suited to undertaking a law-enforcement role, not to mention that most foriegn activities of the CIA are at least somewhat 'covert' in nature, which is also generally unsuited to lawenforcement activities.
FBI was the correct agency to send - presuming they bothered to abide by the rules, which, it appears, they did not. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Harvister
Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn
4
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:49:00 -
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thumbs up for island i'll have my honeymoon there \o/ |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
175
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:02:00 -
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For the FBI-CIA people, FBI is domestic intelligence, CIA is foreign intelligence. HOWEVER, the FBI also doubles as a federal law enforcement agency. Ur all right.
Obligatory joke: The CIA made the president kick them out over inter-agency rivalries. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
506
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:25:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:For the FBI-CIA people, FBI is domestic intelligence, CIA is foreign intelligence. HOWEVER, the FBI also doubles as a federal law enforcement agency. Ur all right.
Actually, FBI is a Law Enforcement Agency which also undertakes counter-intelligence activies domestically. CIA handles counter-intelligence outside the US, as well as conducting intelligeence activities aimed at foreign entities. The FBI's domestic intelligence activities (as opposed to counter-intelligence activities) are in support of its role as a law enforcement agency.
But that's enough splitting hairs. Let's get back to pointing our fingers and laughing at the dumb Fibbies as what got their pee-pee's whacked. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
430
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:32:00 -
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Love Iceland.
Goddamn rednecks and their terror tactics. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
983
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:30:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Love Iceland.
Goddamn rednecks and their terror tactics.
When will you people learn that redneck is another term for cowboy and is not considered an insult. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3402
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:34:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Love Iceland.
Goddamn rednecks and their terror tactics. When will you people learn that redneck is another term for cowboy and is not considered an insult.
Announce this in any bar in Texas and let us know the ugly results. And they will be ugly. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
506
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:42:00 -
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I understand the fishing there can be spectacular, though fishing permits for tourist are a bit pricy? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
983
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Love Iceland.
Goddamn rednecks and their terror tactics. When will you people learn that redneck is another term for cowboy and is not considered an insult. Announce this in any bar in Texas and let us know the ugly results. And they will be ugly.
I will. In fact I have decided that I will go to Rednecks Drafthouse and Billiards, because they name their bars for the people who enjoy being rednecks, like me.
Theres also Redneck heaven, Redneck Bar and Grill
Aw ****, check out the Texas Redneck Games
Rednecks originated in the South Jack ass. |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
178
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:24:00 -
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Redneck is a derogatory term for poorly-educated, rural simpletons; don't try to make it something it's not. The people saying "it's not an insult" are the ones who embody being poorly-educated, rural simpletons. A$$hole is also a legitimate orifice in the human digestive system, but that doesn't mean it's not an insult to call someone that. Just because you're proud of being a redneck doesn't mean it's a compliment.
Also, the term redneck does not mean cowboy. A cowboy has nothing to do with a redneck. Cowboys are ranchers and cattlemen and are a dying breed, whereas rednecks are abound.
What the FBI did, while they may not actually be rednecks, was something a redneck would do. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
985
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:53:00 -
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Look at the guy who's trying to be all text book with the online dictionary and wiki quotes. And look how silly he is trying to say that cowboys, whom he classified poorly, are a dieing breed. Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you live on the east coast in some nice big city.
Stay off the wiki. |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
179
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:56:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead.
Being an intelligence collection agency, the CIA is singularly un-suited to undertaking a law-enforcement role, not to mention that most foriegn activities of the CIA are at least somewhat 'covert' in nature, which is also generally unsuited to lawenforcement activities. FBI was the correct agency to send - presuming they bothered to abide by the rules, which, it appears, they did not. Astenion wrote:Loco Kamikaze wrote:there's a bit of history between the US and Iceland, involves a US occupation. until quite recently. Ahem, no...there was no US OCCUPATION of Iceland. Presence and occupation are two different things. I personally know several folks as were stationed in Iceland. If anything, it was quite the opposite of 'occupation' (and anyone who claims it *was* an occupation is either ignorant, or selling something). Few servicemen were allowed to take quarters off base. Uniforms NOT to be worn off base. Keflavik was very nearly under quarantine status. Despite the hostile environement, NAS Keflavic provided almost 1000 locals employment.
This is something many people in nations around the world don't understand. The US is renting these bases from host nations; they're paying billions of dollars PER MONTH to be there. If the Icelandic government wanted the US out of Iceland, they would ask them to leave, as did Saudi Arabia. The US doesn't own any of these bases. These bases are a cash cow for their local and national economies and are required to hire local nationals to work for them as per the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement).
I can see why people may be so angered towards the US because many of these people do not realize that it's a partnership, not an occupation, and they see it as an occupation. Germany, Italy, South Korea, and Japan are strong allies with the US and support US foreign policy for the most part. That said, their hands are not tied in any of this...it's their decision whether or not to keep US forces in their country. All this talk about ""Murica is an empire because they have troops in our country!!!!!1" is, quite simply, uninformed ignorance. American bases are the golden goose for many nations, which is why Poland is begging to host bases right now. In fact, many units in Italy are being shut down because they're just useless and have no strategic importance whatsoever. If people want to be outraged and demand the expulsion of US forces, they should look to their government to do so, but that's never going to happen because EU governments are some of the most corrupt in the world. The entire reason the US is still in NATO is because of their attitude of, "screw funding our own military, we'll just keep US forces in country and let them protect us if something happens." Talk to anyone older than 25 in a country with a US presence and they'll tell you the same thing. If Iceland had ever decided to actually have a military (they have no military whatsoever), I'm sure they wouldn't have asked the US to maintain a presence at Reykjavik (sp?) or Kevlavik during the Cold War, as the former Soviet Union would have LOVED to get their hands on that little volcanic island.
Then you have to look at the source: Scandinavians love to hate America, yet there are zero bases with any American presence anywhere in Scandinavia. Same with France. This leads me to believe all this "die America!" is just a bunch of 15-year-old internet warriors who don't know what they're talking about. The only exemption would be the UK, simply because they can't stand us just because we came from them and dumped a bunch of tea into a harbor. Not kidding. The amount of time they can hold a grudge over nothing is staggering. We wanted to set up an RAF/USAF exchange program at Neadishead, and as I was shooting the breeze with an RAF colonel in Poland at NATO Air Meet in 2003, he told me that it got shot down because some people are still bitter. I smirked and laughed, he chuckled a bit, and then said, "No, really. That's why." |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Micheal Dietrich wrote: Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. Stay off the wiki.
I was born in an incredibly small town in rural Arkansas and lived there 13 years before spending until the age of 30 in HOUSTON, TEXAS.
edit: Also, reported for your obnoxious 'lisp' comment. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Astenion
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Look at the guy who's trying to be all text book with the online dictionary and wiki quotes. And look how silly he is trying to say that cowboys, whom he classified poorly, are a dieing breed. Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you live on the east coast in some nice big city.
Stay off the wiki.
I live in Italy, you idiot. I joined the USAF after high school but grew up on a 2000 acre ranch with over 500 head of cattle and 10 head of horses in Louisiana. I got into team roping and calf roping due to the necessity of having to go rope cattle out in the pasture and doctor them. I competed semi-professionally but gave it up because I wanted to join the military. I've forgotten more about ranching and cowboying than your gun-rack-in-the-pickup-with-the-rebel-flag-in-the-window, I-just-saw-8 Seconds-so-now-Imma-be-a-bull-rider ignorant ass will ever know. You're a Texan, though. It's understandable. |
silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:06:00 -
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Astenion wrote:silens vesica wrote: I personally know several folks as were stationed in Iceland. If anything, it was quite the opposite of 'occupation' (and anyone who claims it *was* an occupation is either ignorant, or selling something). Few servicemen were allowed to take quarters off base. Uniforms NOT to be worn off base. Keflavik was very nearly under quarantine status. Despite the hostile environement, NAS Keflavic provided almost 1000 locals employment.
This is something many people in nations around the world don't understand. The US is renting these bases from host nations; they're paying billions of dollars PER MONTH to be there. If the Icelandic government wanted the US out of Iceland, they would ask them to leave, as did Saudi Arabia. The US doesn't own any of these bases. These bases are a cash cow for their local and national economies and are required to hire local nationals to work for them as per the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement). Well, to be fully up-to-date, Keflavik *has* been returned to the Iceland and the Althing; The US pulled most of it's forces out of Icealand in the Mid-00's.
Otherwise, generally spot-on. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Astenion
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Just to be clear to all my EU friends here, not every place in the US is like that godawful pit called Texas (Austin's cool, though). Don't let this guy skew your opinion of all of us just because he's probably one of those idiots who wanted to secede from the US. He can't help it. He's from Texas. |
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Astenion
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:11:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Astenion wrote:silens vesica wrote: I personally know several folks as were stationed in Iceland. If anything, it was quite the opposite of 'occupation' (and anyone who claims it *was* an occupation is either ignorant, or selling something). Few servicemen were allowed to take quarters off base. Uniforms NOT to be worn off base. Keflavik was very nearly under quarantine status. Despite the hostile environement, NAS Keflavic provided almost 1000 locals employment.
This is something many people in nations around the world don't understand. The US is renting these bases from host nations; they're paying billions of dollars PER MONTH to be there. If the Icelandic government wanted the US out of Iceland, they would ask them to leave, as did Saudi Arabia. The US doesn't own any of these bases. These bases are a cash cow for their local and national economies and are required to hire local nationals to work for them as per the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement). Well, to be fully up-to-date, Keflavik *has* been returned to the Iceland and the Althing; The US pulled most of it's forces out of Icealand in the Mid-00's. Otherwise, generally spot-on.
Wow, that's great news! I got out in the mid-2000s and decided to stay in Italy (I love living in the EU), so I'm out of the loop. I had heard that our unit was leaving Kevlavik, but never heard the rest of the story. Friends told me that they go TDY there sometimes for training, but that's all I know. I'm always glad to see the US leaving its bases overseas, especially when they're totally useless like Kevlavik was. Even if it's not an occupation, when it's time to go, it's time to go. |
Astenion
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:17:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. Stay off the wiki. I was born in an incredibly small town in rural Arkansas and lived there 13 years before spending until the age of 30 in HOUSTON, TEXAS. edit: Also, reported for your obnoxious 'lisp' comment. edit redux: Also.....SUPER CREEPY that you've paid such close attention to my background. That merits some further attention I think.
I think he was talking about me. Still, you're right. Super creepy. |
Micheal Dietrich
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Astenion wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Look at the guy who's trying to be all text book with the online dictionary and wiki quotes. And look how silly he is trying to say that cowboys, whom he classified poorly, are a dieing breed. Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you live on the east coast in some nice big city.
Stay off the wiki. I live in Italy, you idiot. I joined the USAF after high school but grew up on a 2000 acre ranch with over 500 head of cattle and 10 head of horses in Louisiana. I got into team roping and calf roping due to the necessity of having to go rope cattle out in the pasture and doctor them. I competed semi-professionally but gave it up because I wanted to join the military. I've forgotten more about ranching and cowboying than your gun-rack-in-the-pickup-with-the-rebel-flag-in-the-window, I-just-saw-8 Seconds-so-now-Imma-be-a-bull-rider ignorant ass will ever know. You're a Texan, though. It's understandable.
Never said I was Texan :) For some reason you city slickers assume that Texas is the only place where hicks come from. And yeah, its painfully obvious that you have forgotten so much when you directly pull quotes from the first line of 2 wiki pages.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I was born in an incredibly small town in rural Arkansas and lived there 13 years before spending until the age of 30 in HOUSTON, TEXAS.
edit: Also, reported for your obnoxious 'lisp' comment.
edit redux: Also.....SUPER CREEPY that you've paid such close attention to my background. That merits some further attention I think.
That's my boy, always willing to dish it out but ready to hit the report button because he can't take it. By the way spending time in Texas does not make you a cowboy, it makes you a Texan. |
silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:25:00 -
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Astenion wrote:silens vesica wrote:Astenion wrote:silens vesica wrote: I personally know several folks as were stationed in Iceland. If anything, it was quite the opposite of 'occupation' (and anyone who claims it *was* an occupation is either ignorant, or selling something). Few servicemen were allowed to take quarters off base. Uniforms NOT to be worn off base. Keflavik was very nearly under quarantine status. Despite the hostile environement, NAS Keflavic provided almost 1000 locals employment.
This is something many people in nations around the world don't understand. The US is renting these bases from host nations; they're paying billions of dollars PER MONTH to be there. If the Icelandic government wanted the US out of Iceland, they would ask them to leave, as did Saudi Arabia. The US doesn't own any of these bases. These bases are a cash cow for their local and national economies and are required to hire local nationals to work for them as per the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement). Well, to be fully up-to-date, Keflavik *has* been returned to the Iceland and the Althing; The US pulled most of it's forces out of Icealand in the Mid-00's. Otherwise, generally spot-on. Wow, that's great news! I got out in the mid-2000s and decided to stay in Italy (I love living in the EU), so I'm out of the loop. I had heard that our unit was leaving Kevlavik, but never heard the rest of the story. Friends told me that they go TDY there sometimes for training, but that's all I know. I'm always glad to see the US leaving its bases overseas, especially when they're totally useless like Kevlavik was. Even if it's not an occupation, when it's time to go, it's time to go. Keflavik had five purposes - To defend any execution of REFORGER, to close the G-I-UK gap to Soviet surface forces, to screen fleet movements in the Atlantic, to serve as a primary long-range North Atlantic airborne ASW hub, and to defend the SOSUS terminal.
Almost all of those purposes are moot now, so Keflavik became moot.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:26:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote: That's my boy, always willing to dish it out but ready to hit the report button because he can't take it. By the way spending time in Texas does not make you a cowboy, it makes you a Texan.
Erm no. There just is not a place here for your particular brand of pointless obnoxiousness. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Astenion
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:31:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Astenion wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Look at the guy who's trying to be all text book with the online dictionary and wiki quotes. And look how silly he is trying to say that cowboys, whom he classified poorly, are a dieing breed. Our last expert up above hails from San Francisco/Florida so his redneck experience amounts to a model in a designer 'cowboy' hat driving a sports car asking if he wants to ro-day-o with a heavy lisp. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you live on the east coast in some nice big city.
Stay off the wiki. I live in Italy, you idiot. I joined the USAF after high school but grew up on a 2000 acre ranch with over 500 head of cattle and 10 head of horses in Louisiana. I got into team roping and calf roping due to the necessity of having to go rope cattle out in the pasture and doctor them. I competed semi-professionally but gave it up because I wanted to join the military. I've forgotten more about ranching and cowboying than your gun-rack-in-the-pickup-with-the-rebel-flag-in-the-window, I-just-saw-8 Seconds-so-now-Imma-be-a-bull-rider ignorant ass will ever know. You're a Texan, though. It's understandable. Never said I was Texan :) For some reason you city slickers assume that Texas is the only place where hicks come from. And yeah, its painfully obvious that you have forgotten so much when you directly pull quotes from the first line of 2 wiki pages. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I was born in an incredibly small town in rural Arkansas and lived there 13 years before spending until the age of 30 in HOUSTON, TEXAS.
edit: Also, reported for your obnoxious 'lisp' comment.
edit redux: Also.....SUPER CREEPY that you've paid such close attention to my background. That merits some further attention I think. That's my boy, always willing to dish it out but ready to hit the report button because he can't take it. By the way spending time in Texas does not make you a cowboy, it makes you a Texan.
Wikipedia? Did you actually have to look up in a wiki what I said? I'm drawing upon my personal history and experience...but it's obvious YOU had to look it up. I just called you out for being the wannabe you are, and you even closed the deal for me. Um, thanks? You should introduce your foot to your mouth now.
You really are a redneck, that much is clear. And no, it's not a compliment. And no, Texas isn't the only place where hicks come from; it's just the hicks in Texas are the worst. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: That's my boy, always willing to dish it out but ready to hit the report button because he can't take it. By the way spending time in Texas does not make you a cowboy, it makes you a Texan.
Erm no. There just is not a place here for your particular brand of pointless obnoxiousness.
Says the guy who was telling us in that one thread what was ok to post according to 'his' parameters. Or how about your wonderful threads comparing goons to ****'s. And then there all of your iquit threads that you made with a small army of alts when unified inventory came out. In fact I think I can count on one hand the number of threads where you aren't being a total ass to everyone else. At least I don't hand out free isk to people whose views I disagree with. By the way, my buddy wants you to tack a little more on my name, he wants a new BC. |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:37:00 -
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Astenion wrote: Wikipedia? Did you actually have to look up in a wiki what I said? I'm drawing upon my personal history and experience
Astenion wrote:Redneck is a derogatory term for poorly-educated, rural simpletons Cowboys are ranchers and cattlemen
Astenion's personal history
Seriously, 1st freaking line..... |
Astenion
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:58:00 -
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WHERE? I said cowboys and ranchers are a dying breed and have nothing to do with rednecks. Hahaha, where the hell did you get "cowboys and ranchers are a dying breed" confused with "A cowboy is an animal herder who tends cattle on ranches in North America"? Or was it the redneck line about being uneducated?
LMFAO OMG did you actually have to go to wikipedia to discover whether or not the term "redneck" was a derogatory term about uneducated, rural people? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Come on, Jethro.
And for the record, I said the term "redneck" is a derogatory term for uneducated, rural simpletons. The only two words in your link that were contained in my quote were "derogatory" and "uneducated". You see, I'm NOT a redneck, so I don't have to go to wikipedia to understand what the term "derogatory" means, and just because I can speak using multiple syllables and use "derogatory" correctly in a sentence does not imply that I'm somehow skimming off of wiki. I can understand how you would think that, though, with your CLEARLY inferior mental faculties. Was it the term "derogatory" that threw you off? Have you never heard that term before? I bet you think it sounds like a commie word, don't you? You probably think that's a word Obama would use, so you struck it from your oh-so-limited vocabulary.
That's like me describing Eve Online as a science-fiction MMO and you saying, "ZOMG YOU STOLE THAT FROM WIKIPEDIA BECAUSE IT SAYS THE SAME EXACT THING!!!!"
You are DEFINITELY a redneck. Only a redneck would assume that everyone else is as dumb as he is. |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:02:00 -
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I've got a backhoe you can borrow when you hit bedrock. |
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Astenion
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Did I touch a nerve? Your posts are getting smaller and smaller, and your examples are failing harder and harder. So far, you've shot yourself in the foot twice, then been forced to stick said foot in your mouth. Do you like punishing yourself? Because I can do this all day. You're just too easy.
What boggles my mind is how you ever got past the tutorial in Eve.
I still can't get over the fact you had to run "redneck" through wiki, and then assumed I ripped it off "cawz ah 'cun tawlk gud". |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:19:00 -
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Astenion wrote:Did I touch a nerve? Your posts are getting smaller and smaller, and your examples are failing harder and harder. So far, you've shot yourself in the foot twice, then been forced to stick said foot in your mouth. Do you like punishing yourself? Because I can do this all day. You're just too easy. What boggles my mind is how you ever got past the tutorial in Eve. I still can't get over the fact you had to run "redneck" through wiki, and then assumed I ripped it off "cawz ah 'cun tawlk gud".
My posts are getting smaller because there is nothing left to say. I caught you providing us with the textbook definition created by people who work in little cubicles and now I'm just going to sit here and watch you squirm. Go ahead and blame shift and throw insults all day long if it makes you feel better, it still won't change the fact that you have no clue what you are talking about. Whats the Italian word for city slicker? |
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Ah, yes. Another wannabe who would rather get his information from the internet and movies than someone who's lived the life, convinced he knows more about it because he listens to country music, drives a pickup, votes Republican, and gets all his information from wikipedia.
So tell us, Mr. I-wanna-be-a-cowboy-but-I'm-just-a-redneck-and-don't-understand-the-difference, where exactly can you show me where I don't know what I'm talking about? Go ahead and ask me anything. If there's something I don't know, I'll tell you I don't know. Go ahead and ask me anything about growing up on a ranch, roping, breaking horses, hauling cattle, rodeos, etc. If you think I'm lying, I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong. Again. I haven't kept up with the PRCA in probably a decade (I only competed "semi-pro"), so I'll admit I'm a little rusty since I've been out of the game for so long.
I bet you work construction...either that or on a pipeline. I know who you are. You're one of those people who goes to country bars and line dances with your creased and pressed only pair of Wranglers and shiny new boots whose toes are so pointed they could be used to kill cockroaches in a corner, along with that big, ugly felt Stetson hat that serves you no purpose whatsoever.
There's no word for "city slicker" in Italian, but there's definitely a word for you: "coglione". |
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ISD Tyrozan
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Rule 3 for this forum prohibits the discussion of politics. Therefore this topic has been locked.
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