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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:12:00 -
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FBI Banned from Iceland
Quote:FBI agents landed in Reykjav+”k without prior notification in an attempt to investigate WikiLeaks operations in the country, but Home Secretary +ūgmundur J+¦nasson found out about the visit and forced them to leave the country, with the Icelandic government then issuing a formal protest to US authorities
Countdown until Iceland is declared a rogue nation begins now. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
710
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:56:00 -
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I'm liking them icylanders more and more [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
970
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:12:00 -
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Good |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
129
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:22:00 -
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FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
389
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:34:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
Ha!
Hahahaha! + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:40:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
Merica, other countries laws don't apply.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
711
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:59:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. by God, there is another country besides our Holy Union of States? preposterous! these rebels need to be taken down! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
490
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:08:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:FBI Banned from IcelandQuote:FBI agents landed in Reykjav+”k without prior notification in an attempt to investigate WikiLeaks operations in the country, but Home Secretary +ūgmundur J+¦nasson found out about the visit and forced them to leave the country, with the Icelandic government then issuing a formal protest to US authorities Countdown until Iceland is declared a rogue nation begins now. Nope. 'Cause we have important defense installations in Iceland. Can't jeopardize that... FBI gets to suck its thumb and sulk.
Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US.. Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
224
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:17:00 -
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They just wanted to get a good place in line for Fanfest. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1584
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:11:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops!
I think they may be used to not having to ask permission, even though they're supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5001
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:29:00 -
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Love Iceland. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5258
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:38:00 -
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You're from the FBI?, look how many fecks we give.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:43:00 -
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Idiots! Sheeple! Those who undervalue tinfoil! Two words: plausible deniability.
That's the *public* version of what happened. *Privately*, the Icelandic Guv'ment is cooperating with the US.
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Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:14:00 -
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Given that a fair number of US embassies have FBI attached as "legal attaches" in order to help clear up any US Citizen legal issues with that country, FBI agents abroad isn't unusual.
A bunch managing to so publicly screw up their paperwork, though, is. The FBI is usually on top of properly filling out their paperwork.
I'm thinking that there were political "issues" here; to get a FBI Special-Agent-in-Charge (SAC) to screw the pooch like that (especially in a country like Iceland, where it's well-known the local media will quickly pick up and spread the screw-up), either the SAC was a complete incompetent (fairly rare, and the US Justice Departmen usually doesn't let them out of the country for fear of diplomatic incidents) or someone higher up the SAC's "food chain" gave firm orders to violate protocol (not to mention international treaties, several USG regulations, and a couple US laws) in order to "make it happen".
What a bunch of idiots.
A) The US State Department exists for a reason. Their actual diplomatic personnel (as opposed to the support staff, like the tech experts and security specialists) may (mostly) be very liberal, "left-wing", Ivy-League Sunni-lovers (or at least usually perceived that way)...but they're fairly competent at their jobs. There is a reason Sovereign Nations have diplomats. Use them. When choosing to pursue your interest "legally" with an "allied/friendly" nation, "Better to ask foregiveness than permission" is not the way to go. Apparently someone in the FBI forgot this. The FBI follow the rules.
B) If you want to be all "sneaky" and say "screw the rules" as a nation...well, that's why the five Pemanent Members of the UN Security Council each have fairly large, relatively well-funded covert/clandestine intelligence/security agencies. You want someone to sneak into a "friendly" and talk to people? Call a spy (well, their supervising intelligence agency). Most FBI agents (most US Federal Law Enforcement agents, actually) don't do either "sneak" or "subtle" worth a damn. Spies usually do.
C) If WikiLeaks is such a big "threat to US national security", than treat it like a threat to US national security. Do you see too much about China, Pakistan or even Russia of the sort of stuff you see about the US? No. Why? Because WikiLeaks manages to do that to China (major leak of seriously-damaging internal paperwork), WikiLeaks would not be long for this world. Servers would start being destroyed, cyberwarfare would start killing any and all attempts to host any form of the site, and the people actually behind WikiLeaks would start turning up dead. (Whether "accidental" or blatantly assassinated is a moot point.) This is because China, succintly, "doesn't play". Do I agree with such a policy, personally? Almost never. (There is always an exception; WikiLeaks is not one of them.) But the US (thankfully) "plays by the rules".
Bottom line, the US Government needs to figure out what it's doing versus WikiLeaks, set out a formal (written) policy, and then follow it. Granted, the chances of this happening--given some of the recurrent flaws of the last two to three US 'Administrations' in the fields of defense, security, and law--are not likely. Given the usual (decent) level of competence from most US agencies if left alone with a clear goal, consistent funding, and without political meddling (like most similiar agencies in functional governments the world over), if the elected idiots would just set a goal and let their "minions" do their jobs, they would get results, more than likely. But US politicians can't seem to understand that anymore.
Expect to see yet more unwarranted arrogance and "diplo-FAIL!" in related to WikiLeaks. I just wander who'll the USG will **** off (or **** off further) next? UK? France? Iceland so badly that all US passport holders are closely scrutinized? Israel...wait, they already hate the US. Germany? Mexico? Canada? Bahrain? Qatar? Kuwait? Australia? Who knows where it will end.
But expect similiar headlines, that is my assessment. Mostly because of political wants overriding legal facts...at least until someone calls them on their bullshit. Falsum pax somni adfert solum dolore de memoria. |
Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:16:00 -
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Stoic, likely not. Iceland's government usually means what it says publicly on matters like this.
Maybe they got treated with too much condenscion during the height of the Cold War and the US presence in Iceland? (I be pissed off too if I invited someone into my home and they then looked down on me.) Falsum pax somni adfert solum dolore de memoria. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7178
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:42:00 -
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We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-į |
Loco Kamikaze
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:53:00 -
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there's a bit of history between the US and Iceland, involves a US occupation. until very recently. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:53:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote
Just don't give them your banking system, theirs is screwed enough as it is
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7179
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:55:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We shall introduce democracy to Iceland... then women in Eve will get the right to vote Just don't give them your banking system, theirs is screwed enough as it is
You'd think they'd want bailouts funded by the american peoples "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-į |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
502
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:22:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare. Plausible. If so, a serious error.
Jahynka Zi-Wun Grey wrote:
> Much excellent stuff <
Categorical yet succinct, and accurate too. Here, have all my "Likes."
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Shalia Ripper
332
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:23:00 -
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FBI Director stated "We thought it was part of Alaska" Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
262
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Posted - 2013.02.02 09:30:00 -
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Its a bit of diplomatic faux pas to send any kind of law enforcement agents to another country without permission or notification in the first place. The Assange case is controversial enough without making it worse. I would not be surprised if they didn't ask permission precisely because they expected that the Icelandic authorities didn't want to cooperate. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
355
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Posted - 2013.02.02 10:55:00 -
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They probably thought the FBI was after their cod. Icelanders are very protective about their cod. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
173
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Posted - 2013.02.02 12:03:00 -
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I thought Iceland had already been classed as a rogue state by the UK when gordon brown asked for our money back from the icelandic banks when they went **** up . rofl i still remember the look on his face on the tv when iceland stuck two fingers up at him ... |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
130
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Posted - 2013.02.02 12:29:00 -
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Thank you for explaining the fbi thing, i had no idea. Live and learn |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3392
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Posted - 2013.02.02 14:40:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:FBI is allowed to do investigations on foreign soil?, i thought they where just allowed to work in the US..
This is America we are talking about. Rules do not actually exist for any of its operations. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3392
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Posted - 2013.02.02 14:42:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:silens vesica wrote:Not entirely so - FBI is allowed to go where their investigations lead, so long as they're investigating a crime against the US or which took place in the US (they sometime investigate crimes against other countries which were conducted in US territory) and they obtain the necessary local permissions.
Seems like some Agent-in-Charge failed to cross all 'I"s and dot all "T"s. Ooops! I think they may be used to not having to ask permission of 'friendly' countries, even if they're technically supposed to. They just announce they've arrived like they did here and that's usually enough. They may have also not wanted to give any warning before they arrived so the people being investigated couldn't prepare.
I would think that normally they would send in the CIA instead.
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
HankMurphy
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.02 15:24:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
little do we know, it was all part of the plan
/nonchalantly walks away as thread self destructs |
baltec1
Bat Country
5011
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Posted - 2013.02.02 17:57:00 -
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HankMurphy wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Oh, that's right. Even the head of the CIA couldn't even keep a romantic affair secret. NVM.
little do we know, it was all part of the plan /nonchalantly walks away as thread self destructs
"Aliens" |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1620
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Posted - 2013.02.03 04:05:00 -
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If they attempted to land in Iceland and start investigations with no communications with local authorities, I can understand them being sent home. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
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