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Yatar Kindoki
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:27:00 -
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A corporation of 6 members gets declared on. They simply disband, create a new corporation and all join it. This allows them to avoid the war, and waste the enemie's declaration cost isk.
Is that a violation of the TOS? Acceptable? It can't be, that's ridiculous!?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:28:00 -
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They're allowed to do it once. If they keep doing it, break out the petitions.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:32:00 -
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Why break out the petitions?
Iv'e previously seen you directing people to do this before, and giving dirrection that they would be banned from eve for it..
Can you point me to where it states that.. iv'e honestly never seen that writen, if it's there id like to see it.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:32:00 -
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One would ask ofcourse why u griefing newbs in empire?
Come to low-sec/0.0 and get/give ur daily dosis of spanking
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:33:00 -
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There is just always a question wether the war is justified or not, if you declare war on small corps from a position of total superiority if they have done nothing to provoke the war you just can't expect the people to fight it out...
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:35:00 -
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War-declaration costs 1 mil, creating a corp costs 1 mil... what's the problem ?
1 mil to start a war... 1 mil to avoid it.
Sounds balanced to me.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:38:00 -
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Escaping a war is an exploit, if you leave the corp for the specific reason to avoid it. No need to talk balance, it simply is.
[Come to Daddy]
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Seraph Demon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:40:00 -
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It most certainly is not an exploit.
You declared war on the entity that was their corporation, it just so happens that the same day they wanted to change their corp's name, so they did. They had to go through the trouble of re-setting-up all of their hangars and sorting all their stuff again.
Or, you declared war on the entity that was their corporation, every member didn't want to go to war with you, so they all left the corp, then they realized they were still friends so they decided to create a new corp and then they all joined it.
It's entirely within game mechanics to disband a corp and create a new one, just a side effect that war declarations are pinned to the old corp and not its members (good thing).
Though things could get wierd if you're a merc corp and were hired to cause them discomfort.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
War-declaration costs 1 mil, creating a corp costs 1 mil... what's the problem ?
1 mil to start a war... 1 mil to avoid it.
Sounds balanced to me.
My wars cost 2mil.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:43:00 -
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Avoiding war isn't an exploit, but avoiding war and remaking a corp is.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:44:00 -
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if I remember correctly, repeated use of this trick is highly petitionable.
The are lots of ways to discourage the attackers, for example: Never shutdown eve.
Originally by: Oveur
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:45:00 -
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I think when balancing the argument, it would be instructive to know why you declared war on them in the first place.
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Yatar Kindoki
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:46:00 -
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If the CEO were to actually chose the SURRENDER option in the corporation management window, what does that entail? Cost isk? or whats that option for?
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:48:00 -
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Honestly, why remake the corp?
Jst create a chat channel, and work together. No chance of ever getting war Deced again
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:54:00 -
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This exact situation happened to us.
And we petitioned, and got told that its all perfectly fair.
Idiotic.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:55:00 -
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Because some people like having something they have built up and be proud of, gaining repetition in the world of eve.
So far all i see is people saying it is a petitionable offense... is it write in stone somewhere as a bannable expolit?
From personal experience, one corp i war dec'd on did branch quite a feww of there members into a corp.. we deced on it... they the same day formed another corp.. tbh why bother just repeating the process of war decing again....
Tbh im not the sort of person that gets his jollies trying to get people banned because of something as meaningless... to me if i were to start doing that, i realy realy would be the greifer, pointless joy imho
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Yatar Kindoki
If the CEO were to actually chose the SURRENDER option in the corporation management window, what does that entail? Cost isk? or whats that option for?
He would have do it while your CEO is docked in the same station as he is.
A trade screen would open in which you can drop items and money, after both parties accept it the end of the war is decleared by concord.
not sure if it ends instantly, within 24 hours or after the next downtime though.
And yes, leaving a corp that is at war and recreating it with thr same players from the old corp is an exploit. War dec the new corp, if they do it again petition them.
NPC corps are the only corps that are allowed to be safe of wars.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 12/07/2005 14:09:42
re-declare on them.
beware of moaning to gm's though they can just as easy petition you for harrasment.
at a guess any claim you make to gm's would then depened on your reasons for war.
Saying they looked at u odd in local or called you a mumy's boy would not be best types.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
Last I checked, we where all doing this game for ****s and giggles.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Why break out the petitions?
Iv'e previously seen you directing people to do this before, and giving dirrection that they would be banned from eve for it..
Can you point me to where it states that.. iv'e honestly never seen that writen, if it's there id like to see it.
This is one of those particular things with no set policy which will completely depend on the GM you get. Leaving a corp to evade a war is not an exploit, but rejoining it after the war has concluded or repeatedly doing it with new corps is.
Again though, completely dependant on the GM you get.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 12/07/2005 14:29:28
Which is entirely wrong.
Naturaly, ofcourse there should be a set policy.
Having had many encounters with gm's themselfs, i know exactly what you saying, and it stinks.
Running as a professional company they claim to be, i realy dislike the fact one arm doesn't seem to know what the other one does at times, and when you petition that.. all you get is generic responce because of a failer to admit their failer in their poor system.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/07/2005 14:29:09
The overriding policy used to be that repeating this constitutes an exploit and therefore is a bannable offense under some circumstances.
the war mechanic is not ingame just so everyone can avoid confrontation with it without any real penalty.
But, indeed, the GM's dont seem to know their own policy in half the cases, so you will get different answers from different GM's, especially when it concerns things like this.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
And why would that be a problem?... surelly u can war declare any corp for whatever reason, be it for a laugh or whatever... if u wish to stay out of possible wars you stick to a nOOb corp.
so im unsure why u would say this.
d solo.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:37:00 -
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Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
Attacking an armies ability to fight is better than attacking the army.
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Discorporation
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
And why would that be a problem?... surelly u can war declare any corp for whatever reason, be it for a laugh or whatever... if u wish to stay out of possible wars you stick to a nOOb corp.
so im unsure why u would say this.
d solo.
I don't see how this can possibly be a legitimate argument: "if you don't want to get griefed, stay in a n00b corp".
Saying, "Declaring war on a small defenceless corp is lame and tantamount to griefing" rolls off the tongue much easier imho.
As the man above me says, if you want to fight, get some cahoonas and go to 0.0. Too much effort? Too hard? Booohooooo.
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Sorja
Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
Attacking an armies ability to fight is better than attacking the army.
Not true. Defeating an army is always better than blowing up the armies supply of margarine. Look at ******s Russian campaign. It all went downhill at the start of 1942, when strategic objectives changed from defeating the soviet army to capturing soviet economic resources (the oil fields) and cutting the Volga (south to north supply route) in two.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle George
Not true. Defeating an army is always better than blowing up the armies supply of margarine. Look at ******s Russian campaign. It all went downhill at the start of 1942, when strategic objectives changed from defeating the soviet army to capturing soviet economic resources (the oil fields) and cutting the Volga (south to north supply route) in two.
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If you remove the ability of your enemy to replace their losses, you only have to defeat them once.
To do that you only need to attack people who are usually unwilling or unable to fight.
The clever thing is to attack the Empire logistical train.
Whilst it may be more noble to attack the combat fleet repeatedly, it isn't clever.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:54:00 -
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Avon is right.
Empire wars are totally honourable when used as part of a greater attempt to crush an opponent.
Of course, it's much nicer when you've got a (RP) reason to do it.
Doing warfare for the fun of it is boring as hell to me. If I go out and shoot **** it is to annihilate it, not to have some fun ****ing into eachother's battleship exhausts for giggles.
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