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Yatar Kindoki
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:27:00 -
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A corporation of 6 members gets declared on. They simply disband, create a new corporation and all join it. This allows them to avoid the war, and waste the enemie's declaration cost isk.
Is that a violation of the TOS? Acceptable? It can't be, that's ridiculous!?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:28:00 -
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They're allowed to do it once. If they keep doing it, break out the petitions.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:32:00 -
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Why break out the petitions?
Iv'e previously seen you directing people to do this before, and giving dirrection that they would be banned from eve for it..
Can you point me to where it states that.. iv'e honestly never seen that writen, if it's there id like to see it.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:32:00 -
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One would ask ofcourse why u griefing newbs in empire?
Come to low-sec/0.0 and get/give ur daily dosis of spanking
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:33:00 -
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There is just always a question wether the war is justified or not, if you declare war on small corps from a position of total superiority if they have done nothing to provoke the war you just can't expect the people to fight it out...
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:35:00 -
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War-declaration costs 1 mil, creating a corp costs 1 mil... what's the problem ?
1 mil to start a war... 1 mil to avoid it.
Sounds balanced to me.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:38:00 -
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Escaping a war is an exploit, if you leave the corp for the specific reason to avoid it. No need to talk balance, it simply is.
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Seraph Demon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:40:00 -
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It most certainly is not an exploit.
You declared war on the entity that was their corporation, it just so happens that the same day they wanted to change their corp's name, so they did. They had to go through the trouble of re-setting-up all of their hangars and sorting all their stuff again.
Or, you declared war on the entity that was their corporation, every member didn't want to go to war with you, so they all left the corp, then they realized they were still friends so they decided to create a new corp and then they all joined it.
It's entirely within game mechanics to disband a corp and create a new one, just a side effect that war declarations are pinned to the old corp and not its members (good thing).
Though things could get wierd if you're a merc corp and were hired to cause them discomfort.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
War-declaration costs 1 mil, creating a corp costs 1 mil... what's the problem ?
1 mil to start a war... 1 mil to avoid it.
Sounds balanced to me.
My wars cost 2mil.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:43:00 -
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Avoiding war isn't an exploit, but avoiding war and remaking a corp is.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:44:00 -
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if I remember correctly, repeated use of this trick is highly petitionable.
The are lots of ways to discourage the attackers, for example: Never shutdown eve.
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:45:00 -
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I think when balancing the argument, it would be instructive to know why you declared war on them in the first place.
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Yatar Kindoki
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:46:00 -
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If the CEO were to actually chose the SURRENDER option in the corporation management window, what does that entail? Cost isk? or whats that option for?
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:48:00 -
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Honestly, why remake the corp?
Jst create a chat channel, and work together. No chance of ever getting war Deced again
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:54:00 -
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This exact situation happened to us.
And we petitioned, and got told that its all perfectly fair.
Idiotic.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:55:00 -
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Because some people like having something they have built up and be proud of, gaining repetition in the world of eve.
So far all i see is people saying it is a petitionable offense... is it write in stone somewhere as a bannable expolit?
From personal experience, one corp i war dec'd on did branch quite a feww of there members into a corp.. we deced on it... they the same day formed another corp.. tbh why bother just repeating the process of war decing again....
Tbh im not the sort of person that gets his jollies trying to get people banned because of something as meaningless... to me if i were to start doing that, i realy realy would be the greifer, pointless joy imho
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Yatar Kindoki
If the CEO were to actually chose the SURRENDER option in the corporation management window, what does that entail? Cost isk? or whats that option for?
He would have do it while your CEO is docked in the same station as he is.
A trade screen would open in which you can drop items and money, after both parties accept it the end of the war is decleared by concord.
not sure if it ends instantly, within 24 hours or after the next downtime though.
And yes, leaving a corp that is at war and recreating it with thr same players from the old corp is an exploit. War dec the new corp, if they do it again petition them.
NPC corps are the only corps that are allowed to be safe of wars.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 12/07/2005 14:09:42
re-declare on them.
beware of moaning to gm's though they can just as easy petition you for harrasment.
at a guess any claim you make to gm's would then depened on your reasons for war.
Saying they looked at u odd in local or called you a mumy's boy would not be best types.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
Last I checked, we where all doing this game for ****s and giggles.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Why break out the petitions?
Iv'e previously seen you directing people to do this before, and giving dirrection that they would be banned from eve for it..
Can you point me to where it states that.. iv'e honestly never seen that writen, if it's there id like to see it.
This is one of those particular things with no set policy which will completely depend on the GM you get. Leaving a corp to evade a war is not an exploit, but rejoining it after the war has concluded or repeatedly doing it with new corps is.
Again though, completely dependant on the GM you get.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 12/07/2005 14:29:28
Which is entirely wrong.
Naturaly, ofcourse there should be a set policy.
Having had many encounters with gm's themselfs, i know exactly what you saying, and it stinks.
Running as a professional company they claim to be, i realy dislike the fact one arm doesn't seem to know what the other one does at times, and when you petition that.. all you get is generic responce because of a failer to admit their failer in their poor system.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/07/2005 14:29:09
The overriding policy used to be that repeating this constitutes an exploit and therefore is a bannable offense under some circumstances.
the war mechanic is not ingame just so everyone can avoid confrontation with it without any real penalty.
But, indeed, the GM's dont seem to know their own policy in half the cases, so you will get different answers from different GM's, especially when it concerns things like this.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
And why would that be a problem?... surelly u can war declare any corp for whatever reason, be it for a laugh or whatever... if u wish to stay out of possible wars you stick to a nOOb corp.
so im unsure why u would say this.
d solo.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:37:00 -
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Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
Attacking an armies ability to fight is better than attacking the army.
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Discorporation
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:34:10
Edited by: Discorporation on 12/07/2005 13:33:58
That's an exploit and you should petition it.
edit: I certainly hope you're warring for legit reasons and not for ****s and giggles.
And why would that be a problem?... surelly u can war declare any corp for whatever reason, be it for a laugh or whatever... if u wish to stay out of possible wars you stick to a nOOb corp.
so im unsure why u would say this.
d solo.
I don't see how this can possibly be a legitimate argument: "if you don't want to get griefed, stay in a n00b corp".
Saying, "Declaring war on a small defenceless corp is lame and tantamount to griefing" rolls off the tongue much easier imho.
As the man above me says, if you want to fight, get some cahoonas and go to 0.0. Too much effort? Too hard? Booohooooo.
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Sorja
Empire wars are lame.
I mean it.
If you want to fight, come meet the big guns in 0.0 and stop harassing people who have no interest in ****ing contests.
In some cases, empire wars can be understandable, like RP wars like PIE against minmataar and such but, if not that, they pretty much look like griefing.
I once joined a corp I thought was hard-core PvP, because there was not enough action in the north at that moment, and it turned out to be 'ramming exercises' against XETIC pilots undocking in Yulai.
Lame.
Attacking an armies ability to fight is better than attacking the army.
Not true. Defeating an army is always better than blowing up the armies supply of margarine. Look at ******s Russian campaign. It all went downhill at the start of 1942, when strategic objectives changed from defeating the soviet army to capturing soviet economic resources (the oil fields) and cutting the Volga (south to north supply route) in two.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle George
Not true. Defeating an army is always better than blowing up the armies supply of margarine. Look at ******s Russian campaign. It all went downhill at the start of 1942, when strategic objectives changed from defeating the soviet army to capturing soviet economic resources (the oil fields) and cutting the Volga (south to north supply route) in two.
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If you remove the ability of your enemy to replace their losses, you only have to defeat them once.
To do that you only need to attack people who are usually unwilling or unable to fight.
The clever thing is to attack the Empire logistical train.
Whilst it may be more noble to attack the combat fleet repeatedly, it isn't clever.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:54:00 -
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Avon is right.
Empire wars are totally honourable when used as part of a greater attempt to crush an opponent.
Of course, it's much nicer when you've got a (RP) reason to do it.
Doing warfare for the fun of it is boring as hell to me. If I go out and shoot **** it is to annihilate it, not to have some fun ****ing into eachother's battleship exhausts for giggles.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:56:00 -
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Umm but ramming clueless folks at dedx had pretty much nothing to do with xetic's ability to fight.
They were only there to grab idiots, most of which had no intention of ever fighting anyway
happend with the fa also from experience.. i got ****ed off with what they were doing once and exploited the fact i could drop an alt outside the station, and used it to pick off a few stragglers that were camping unaware.
Lame but hey, fire with fire...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:05:00 -
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Until CCP fixes the borked War Dec system used to grief corps in high sec empire. This action is perfectly justifiable IMO if the party being DEC'd upon has no interest in PvP.
If they get petitioned, and banned from the game for repeatedely doing it, maybe it will give CCP something to think about when they have to keep banning players who are trying to avoid Griefer Empire Wars...
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Until CCP fixes the borked War Dec system used to grief corps in high sec empire. This action is perfectly justifiable IMO if the party being DEC'd upon has no interest in PvP.
If they get petitioned, and banned from the game for repeatedely doing it, maybe it will give CCP something to think about when they have to keep banning players who are trying to avoid Griefer Empire Wars...
All wars against people who don't want to fight are griefer wars?
I think not.
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Kraythe
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yatar Kindoki
A corporation of 6 members gets declared on. They simply disband, create a new corporation and all join it. This allows them to avoid the war, and waste the enemie's declaration cost isk.
Is that a violation of the TOS? Acceptable? It can't be, that's ridiculous!?
I asked for information on this from support. I traded emails with them for a while and got an answer. Unfortunately because of what i consider to be very silly rules, I cant post the answer.
The summary is, yes, they can do that. The idea being that they are allowed to choose to avoid PvP. I dont like it but that is the way it is.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:22:00 -
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All wars against people who don't want to fight are griefer wars?
I think not.
If people want to fight, they will. If they feel they are being bullied, they will disband...
Maybe if the bullies have this happen to them enough, they will pick on someone who will give their PvP skills some use.
Maybe you shouldn't go looking for a 6 member corp with 3 month old players to war dec eh?
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King Frieza
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal
Until CCP fixes the borked War Dec system used to grief corps in high sec empire. This action is perfectly justifiable IMO if the party being DEC'd upon has no interest in PvP.
If they get petitioned, and banned from the game for repeatedely doing it, maybe it will give CCP something to think about when they have to keep banning players who are trying to avoid Griefer Empire Wars...
All wars against people who don't want to fight are griefer wars?
I think not.
Nope, but for whatever reason has someone to declare war against a small corp that has done nothing to deserve it?
Saying they should have stuck to the noob corps is like saying they should stop playing Eve.
Some of you want these noobs to apply to bigger corps where they can play as corporate wage slaves, but since most people in western society ARE corporate wage slaves, it isn't enough.
People want to play the game and have fun. Sure, the pvpers want to have fun, but declaring war on a small corp where you outmatch and outman them, is just plain griefing and would also be called bullying. Somebody stole your lunchmoney, and as the 1337 computer geek, you decide to bully others your way, in games.
Personally I find it stupid that Empire allows wars to be fought within their confines, as wars usually kill more innocents in crossfire than actual participants.
The war system should be made so you could only declare war for legitimate reasons, like someone killed your corpmate in the last 48 hours and in that period you are allowed to take blood vendetta or whatever romanticized version you like.
Wars that deal with trade, as well as mercenaries, should actually have to petition a gamemaster to be allowed a war declaration. This would of course take manpower, but would in turn make wars more logical, rather than whimsical, as they are today.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: King Frieza
I mean, if you like so much inflicting grief and pain unto others, there are several real life alternatives that'll probably be better. Just look up Bondage, Latex, and fetish on google and you'll probably find something.
Yeah but you have to pay for that
Unless ofcourse she's that way inclined,,, sadly though
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:40:00 -
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Masochist: Whip me, spank me, hurt me. You love inflicting pain, I love taking it. We'll be perfect. HURT ME!
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Masochist: Oh yeah babeh, you know I would, make me cry out in agony.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
This is one of those particular things with no set policy which will completely depend on the GM you get. Leaving a corp to evade a war is not an exploit, but rejoining it after the war has concluded or repeatedly doing it with new corps is.
Again though, completely dependant on the GM you get.
Actually, this is a recognised exploit and will get them all banned. First, the GM has to warn them all that if they do it again they will be banned and then if they repeat, they get banned. Simple as that. Petition it or nothing of the sort will happen.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:02:00 -
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hay man thers nothen we can do about but disaband and make another corp if some people declear war on u just because they hate u and u done nothen wrong and u have no fire power so what do u expect, they and not even i wants to contiobsuly keep getting disagrated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and year of doing that not having fun at all and then eventualy run out of isk = cant afford clone = thers goos all your years worth of skill points back to the noob skills points = most % of people in empire will quite eve = the econamy will go terrably wrong and be runied = eve will be all ****
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
hay man thers nothen we can do about but disaband and make another corp if some people declear war on u just because they hate u and u done nothen wrong and u have no fire power so what do u expect, they and not even i wants to contiobsuly keep getting disagrated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and year of doing that not having fun at all and then eventualy run out of isk = cant afford clone = thers goos all your years worth of skill points back to the noob skills points = most % of people in empire will quite eve = the econamy will go terrably wrong and be runied = eve will be all ****
Whoah.
There is a vaild reason for a war dec right there....
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:07:00 -
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This is not an exploit, I know because I petitioned almost the exact same thing. People are free to leave a Corp to aviod war, but it's an exploit if someone leaves a Corp to avoid war, then rejoins the same Corp again.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:09:00 -
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Varied responce...
Nothing it seems writen in stone... as nonbody is actualy aware that they would be commiting an exploit.. thus did not agree to this in the tos.......
So we have depends on GM.. We Have.. after correspondence with GM's it's not an exploit, and ofcourse several who are adimant it's a bannable offense.
As this is a rather serious issue here, we are talking about suspension of accounts.. it would or should be in ccp's intrest to clarify this one i belive.
All we are doing is heading out of control here, and if anyone did get banned because of getting the wrong gm as it were... then it would be a very serious issue in my eyes, if ccp don't feel inclined to clarify it's position.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: MAcheTT3
This is not an exploit, I know because I petitioned almost the exact same thing. People are free to leave a Corp to aviod war, but it's an exploit if someone leaves a Corp to avoid war, then rejoins the same Corp again.
Wrong.... What is not allowed is (example):
You find yourself camped in a station. You quit corp, then undock and point nose at whoever is outside. Then rejoin when you are in safety. Rinse and repeat. This is what is bannable.
To quit a corp during a war, and rejoin it again later when war is over, is not a exploit.
And since not allowed to paste mails from GM's, take my word for it
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Srewolf Bane
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:13:00 -
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I think this cry baby stuff is funny, it's like the guy who asked why ppl stay in station when there's somone outside waiting to kill him...hahahhaa.. and he actually doesn't know why he stays in station??
This argument is the same, you picking on a small corp unable to defend themselves, and you cant figure out why they ran and changed there name???
This kind of behavior makes ppl quit the game imo. Why not go after a medium size corp where you might get some isk and a good fight?? Or is it you dont want a good fight, only easy isk?
Anyway, I hope ppl dont quit the game cuz of scum like you. If you want to be a pirate or just a scum bag, at least have SOME self respect...lol
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Thidrek
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Escaping a war is an exploit, if you leave the corp for the specific reason to avoid it. No need to talk balance, it simply is.
And next you say not logging in after war declaration is an exploit? Or even not paying monthly fee after war declaration?
Ever heard of "In war every means justifies the cause."? Exploit?? BIG smile. You have your strategy in war, this is just another strategy. In war you use any posible mean to get it your way. You seriously don't think in war that people think "Oh, but I must do as its best for the enemy."?!
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Srewolf Bane
I think this cry baby stuff is funny
You think so.. people that pay good money for a service, can be banned on the mood.. depending on a gm they get....
Riiiight...
All i want is ccp to clarify it's position, they shouldn't have a problem doing that, rather than leaving it to conjecture.
Doesn't exactly do them any favours either, getting flooded with petitions from players on both sides of this arguement does it
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Seth Killbain
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:27:00 -
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Really sad declaring on a small corp unable to defend itself.
If me and some friends all decided to sign up to eve, form a corp and interact among ourselves, without interferance from others then i would be willing to do this.
Your moaning because they are messing with your planned playstyle, you messed with theirs first.
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Thidrek
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle George
Not true. Defeating an army is always better than blowing up the armies supply of margarine. Look at ******s Russian campaign. It all went downhill at the start of 1942, when strategic objectives changed from defeating the soviet army to capturing soviet economic resources (the oil fields) and cutting the Volga (south to north supply route) in two.
Germany started loosing ground because of they run out of supplies (too long supply lines where cut off) and reserves (in the end). Not because the Russian army simply beat the German army by some frontal attack.
Russia hasnt been captured since Ivan the Great, due to the simple strategy of "burned land". No supplies for the enemy, nothing to fight with. Examples of trying to beat Russia are Karl XII, Napeolon, ******. All failed due to the same problem: lack of means to fight with. I agree with the first author here.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:34:00 -
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Your moaning because they are messing with your planned playstyle, you messed with theirs first.
BINGO!
War Dec a corp you know has a similar compliment of PvP'ers, and maybe you won't have them disbanding on you...
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:38:00 -
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Avon, corps living in 0.0 like mine don't give a rat's ass about some dudes taking pot shots at industrialists in empire.
Now, if you like empire wars, CCP allows them, go for it.
What prevents someone, right now, to scout a random empire corp with a covert (or an alt!), find where they hang (finaly a use for location finding agents?) see what they do and when, then war dec them and beat the crap out of them for a mere 2 millions?
What challenge are most of empire corps to a couple of PvPers?
How many isk per week can you do this way, without taking any sec hit?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Avon, corps living in 0.0 like mine don't give a rat's ass about some dudes taking pot shots at industrialists in empire.
Now, if you like empire wars, CCP allows them, go for it.
What prevents someone, right now, to scout a random empire corp with a covert (or an alt!), find where they hang (finaly a use for location finding agents?) see what they do and when, then war dec them and beat the crap out of them for a mere 2 millions?
What challenge are most of empire corps to a couple of PvPers?
How many isk per week can you do this way, without taking any sec hit?
You want me to give you a nice long list of 0.0 corps and their empire alt/supply corps?
I'm sure as hell they don't.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:44:00 -
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Who cares?
I'd consider breaking up their identity as a far more stunning victory than just destrying some insured BS.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:50:00 -
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Had a similar situation, War declaration on my corp for no apparent reason other than a daft small amount of ransom. The whole point was to apparently "grief" us. Asked about it in the Help Channel and was told by a GM no less.... "Reform the Corp.. no defense against that if you don't want to go to war", NO mention was made that it was against the EULA et al..
So I guess the so called exploits work both ways.
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: MAcheTT3
This is not an exploit, I know because I petitioned almost the exact same thing. People are free to leave a Corp to aviod war, but it's an exploit if someone leaves a Corp to avoid war, then rejoins the same Corp again.
Wrong.... What is not allowed is (example):
You find yourself camped in a station. You quit corp, then undock and point nose at whoever is outside. Then rejoin when you are in safety. Rinse and repeat. This is what is bannable.
To quit a corp during a war, and rejoin it again later when war is over, is not a exploit.
And since not allowed to paste mails from GM's, take my word for it
Well, like you say, we can't post mails from GM's, but when I petitioned, that was the response I got... To leave a Corp, then rejoin (at any time) when you feel like fighting is considered an exploit... Take my word for it.
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Archangel Kane
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:14:00 -
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Looks like there isnt a hard and fast answer. One GM Says this another says That?!?
Since "Exploits" in the truest form of the work actually have caused CCP to close the game down to fix (the doubled up market thing a while ago) I would guess that if it was an Exploit it would have been plugged by now.
basically anyone is free to do more or less what they want to do in the game. If corp A doesnt want to fight corp B why must they be forced to?
There have been loads and loads of threads on this subject and I dont belive (could be wrong) that one has been answered yet with a definitive answer.
Like I said though. If it was an Exploit,Bug or unintended use of game mechanincs then would you still be able to do it?
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Br0wn 0ps
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
This is one of those particular things with no set policy which will completely depend on the GM you get. Leaving a corp to evade a war is not an exploit, but rejoining it after the war has concluded or repeatedly doing it with new corps is.
Again though, completely dependant on the GM you get.
This is exactly why "exploits" should be clearly listed and documented for all to see, so there is a unified response to a particular issue, not a "luck of the draw" as to which GM you get.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: MAcheTT3
Well, like you say, we can't post mails from GM's, but when I petitioned, that was the response I got... To leave a Corp, then rejoin (at any time) when you feel like fighting is considered an exploit... Take my word for it.
A player leaving a corp to avoid a war and then rejoining it is a completely different situation to the one being questioned here.
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thidrek
Edited by: Thidrek on 12/07/2005 16:34:13
Edit: so H like in Hans, I like in Ivar, T like in Tea, L like in Lars, E like in Eric, R like in Rolf is a "****" word? Gee, what about the persons that still have that sure name? All in camp eh? So now you not even allowed to talk about historic persons?
I'm guessing you're a non-European player who doesn't know the lengths they've taken to turn everything he stood for into an anathema, and not without cause.
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