Not entirely true. You can say some people will act like that, but not all. Some would send a gank squad against a detected cloaker to try to kill them before cyno, some might go solo, etc etc. There isn't just one mindset when you get down to it, especially when you consider that there is some prep time in getting a fleet together. It would be a OMG, EVERYTHING'S CHANGED thing though obviously.

AFK - no problem.

Cloaked pilots - the op hate em.

there is no trouble with the afk cloaked that can't be solved by taking out of the free intel channel.

Not entirely true. You can say some people will act like that, but not all. Some would send a gank squad against a detected cloaker to try to kill them before cyno, some might go solo, etc etc. There isn't just one mindset when you get down to it, especially when you consider that there is some prep time in getting a fleet together. It would be a OMG, EVERYTHING'S CHANGED thing though obviously.

Yes but those people don't post on the forums asking for a way to counter something they already found a way to counter.

Is there even a current counter for them beyond "ignore them" or "hope you get impossibly lucky"?

send a gank squad against a detected cloaker to try to kill them

I don't know... sounds to me like that falls under the impossibly lucky because if they uncloak, they are either a) stupid, b) you got incredibly lucky and caught them one of the few times they uncloaked, or c) too late, they're doing what they came to do, gather the army.

You can bait them. Use your own cloaking ships and then send out something that looks like a carebear ship.

Or you can just make it obvious that you have ships waiting to kill them should they decloak, therefore they won't decloak and will be unable to do anything to you. Thus countering them (they neither get kills nor get to deny you isk)



Hotdrops are a different beast and honestly require their own thread.

That still sounds ridiculously easy to deal with. I mean, what... generally you'd have maybe 5-10 seconds at most to catch the cloaker once you detected them? Chances are not even that as you're not likely to detect them the instant they decloak.

If they aren't on grid with you when they decloak they aren't likely to be much of a threat. (it also defeats the point of a "hot drop" if the fleet then has to warp to whoever they plan on ganking)

If they are on grid you should have no problems detecting them the moment they decloak and try something.

I don't know... seems kind of a good way to throw people off to me... and as I said, once a cloaker is in position its probably too late if they know what they're doing. Not to mention that they are definitely pretty much invincible as scouts, which is something that people would still want to try and counteract.

Telling to me a noob alt who has 33kills empire kms and his effiency is a piece of sh*t:D
Thats our differences, i'm living in 0.0 and your charater live in high sec, and i'm not lurking behind and alt.
First, you need to try write a post with your main, if you want for anybody to take your message seriously.

Every post I wrote thus far is about making sure that I am safe to rat in my faction-fit Vindicator in 0.0 without anyone ever disturbing me.

Fozzie did a recent podcast stating they were looking into new intel tools for alliances so that they can nerf local - so that will happen eventually and make a lot of people in this thread happy. With that out of the way the conversation turns to cloaking.

The reason cloaking is a problem is that there isn't a sufficient counter to cloaking. Everything in eve has a counter, and cloaking does not deserve a special exemption to that. Noah, back when he was lead game designer a few years ago, agreed that afk-cloaking is a problem and needed a counter. But he also said there are technical limitations that prevent something such as a probing out cloaked player. They wanted to change cloaking, but didn't have a solution at the time.

By requiring cloaking to have charges and still allowing a reasonable amount of cloaking time, opposing players will have an opportunity to scan out cloaked players while they are reloading. It's not a direct counter, but sufficient enough and gets around those technical limitations. Cloaking is an important piece of game play, but it needs to be a balanced piece of game play. Players have also talked about a cloaking jammer, but that doesn't fix having a counter for cloaking outside of sov space.

Adjusted the OP to reflect the fact that players should be able to de-cloak when needed without waiting for a 5 minute cycle.

I wouldn't be too mad about cloaking if it wasn't completely impossible to do anything about it.

I love that cloakers can be used for gathering intel, i love that they can be used for getting through systems without dying.

Jumping into a ratting system for example and warping to a safe and cloaking up and staying logged on for a week (logging in straight after downtime) is a bit of a joke.

People will say "yea if he's afk he can't do anything to you" however there is no way you can know that he is AFK and the threat of him being there and being able to hot drop you is more than enough to shut down any kind of activity in that system.

You don't have to fight, you don't even have to try and there is no risk involved. It

All of you pro cloak nerfs quit using logic. That kind of thing is NOT ALLOWED , because it all logic can be beaten with "qqmore" "carebear go hisec" and "it r fair because it r meant to be unbeatable"

So sh and learn your place due to the infallible arguments of everyone against you I've summed up above this.

All of you pro cloak nerfs quit using logic. That kind of thing is NOT ALLOWED , because it all logic can be beaten with "qqmore" "carebear go hisec" and "it r fair because it r meant to be unbeatable"

So sh and learn your place due to the infallible arguments of everyone against you I've summed up above this.

All of you pro cloak nerfs quit using logic. That kind of thing is NOT ALLOWED , because it all logic can be beaten with "qqmore" "carebear go hisec" and "it r fair because it r meant to be unbeatable"

So sh and learn your place due to the infallible arguments of everyone against you I've summed up above this.

What logic would that be?

Is it the one about AFK cloakers shutting down systems?
Is it the one about them being AFK and a threat, with no mention of local as the mechanic that's actually being used?
Or maybe it's the one where they try to say AFK cloakers are totally safe? But of course don't mention, that that applies to both sides.

No really, please explain the logic these nerf AFK cloakers are using. I'm sure we would all love to know.

You could present your own logical argument of course. But why bother, when you can post irrelevant claptrap? Amirite?

TL;DR: Remove Local instead. From any standpoint at all ingame it's pointless and makes no sense. Who is keeping track of all these people to report it to you? Does Concord magically do it? You should stop being so mad about AFK cloaking and learn to play an eve where you might be required to actually fight somebody at some point.