This is a joke, right?

its free2play stuff, how it works

honestly im not sure why people dont just use vent or TS3 anyways, can that run on the PS3? if not, there are ways around that too

I can understand wanting to charge for stuff, but then don't pretend that the game is free.

Also, since there are also implants that are only available for aur, I'll be uninstalling the game.

So you want 100% completely free everything.

In game battle voice (Squad/Team) chat is free. UTV is only for corp chat and private rooms. My corp uses jabber primarily for chat and rarely use our private mumble channel. No biggie.

FWIW, the out of battle voice coms are not done by CCP. They use a 3rd party. They get charged, so you get charged.

i have to agree, charging for voice comms with your own corp is a very bad decission, communication with your own corp IS essential and will be more so when DUST becomes part of sov warfare, i dont mind the whole Micro transaction stuff in DUSt but this is over the line if you ask me.

I would hate for eve online players to pay for voice for another game though.

You do realise that When eve voice was introduced, we paid for it right, but that has been rolled into our subscription.

EVE uses Vivox for the Voice system for New eden, they pay for it, why wouldn't they pass on the cost of it to the consumer.

I would hate for eve online players to pay for voice for another game though.

Here is a thought.

If the market in DUST does open up, then CCP should allow UVT to be resellable on the player-run secondary market for ISK just like PLEX currently is for Eve Online. They are both expendable commodities and allow ISK hoarders to be able to afford the voice service.

It is paid for by for non vital items as Corp and custom channel chat is a luxury.
It is more than likely UTVs will be sold on market for isk by people who have paid Aur for them in the future. Then with both avenues available, there is no way to complain about their availability. Only complaints about what the players deem their worth is in isk.

So you want 100% completely free everything.

So you want 100% completely free everything.

No one wants free - they just don't want pay to win.

Remove the Aur items and many people will happily pay $50 for a full functioning standalone game without pay to win items.
I would pay $50 for it. At the moment and in the future CCP will earn $0 from me via the dust store.

AUR pricing is really bad. If it was $5 for 500,000 AUR then maybe some would consider it. But atm it is a very bad deal.
I'd rather just buy a full standalone game like Colonial Marines and have money left over.
So people can choose between spending $149.00 on an AUR package or buy between 3 and up to 30 full standalone games without pay to win items on Steam with the same $149. Hmmmm - not a tough choice. Steam - here's $149. CCP - here's $0.

SP requirements are way to high and that is to encourage the stupid to purchase 'implants'
(14x multipliers on the jumpsuit skills ???? why??? oh greed....)

+ The mistake many make is playing dust to win.
That is a waste of time in a pay to win game so start playing with a different motive and Dust is better:

For me - I don't cap many points. I steal tanks(that some idiots could have paid real $$$ for) and park them in front of blaster turrents for destruction. Quite often I just run around with the nova knife doing nothing to help my team.
I have a lot of fun - but do not at any point try to win.

Then the hilarity of PS3 only at the end of the console generation.
PS4 announcement which seems to be likely on Feb20 will be the end of Dust. Even if they have the PS4 version ready to roll upon release.

Who's gonna pay $800+ for a new console to play one game that then expects them to pay even more money if they want to win????? How many people just purchased a PS3 in the last few months for dust and are on Feb 20 going to lose their **** at CCP???

Free to play should mean free to play like DOTA2 is - where items are only cosmetic and have no extra abilities.

I still don't get why you aren't able to subscribe to DUST 514. I mean those want FTP with microtransactions should have that chance. But those who just want to fund the game monthly should too.

...... someone bagged out the pay to win game I pay to win at and I must defend it.......


Also you haven't played dota 2 recently either have you?

That stupid sword that people can loot off of you if you fail hard is one of the items that is non cosmetic.

The item that drops in Dota2 is not purchased with $$$. + there is more than one item that does this if you die.
It's a normal in game item that everyone can get if they save enough gold during a normal game.
All dota items are cosmetic.

The pay to win tanks may have been removed from Dust for now ( I had noticed less tanks being used but don't waste my time reading the dust forums) - but when they return (which they will), the pay to win aspect of dust will also be back to the same level. So your point about that was...pointless.

My steam and PS3 names are both Ibanez Laney. So add me just so you can see the stats and how I've never played Dust or Dota2.

Name one other game where voice comms cost anything.

All other games have free voice comms. I have never had counter strike, bf3, supcom, bfme2, or the 200+ other games on my steam or ps3 lists ask me to buy a Voice Transmitter with money to talk in game.
They all have voice chat (if multiplayer) and not one has ever said - 'Oh we pay another company for that and need $$$ for you to talk.' - CCP is scamming you with these pay to win items.

This is a joke, right?

no it's for real

but has no real impact as you can still hear what is being said and squad and team coms work without it

so it's just like eve, which really has no voice and you pay for your TS3 servers. Just cos someone in your corp or allaince is paying,

The pay to win tanks may have been removed from Dust for now ( I had noticed less tanks being used but don't waste my time reading the dust forums) - but when they return (which they will), the pay to win aspect of dust will also be back to the same level. So your point about that was...pointless.

No one wants free - they just don't want pay to win.

Remove the Aur items and many people will happily pay $50 for a full functioning standalone game without pay to win items.
I would pay $50 for it. At the moment and in the future CCP will earn $0 from me via the dust store.

AUR pricing is really bad. If it was $5 for 500,000 AUR then maybe some would consider it. But atm it is a very bad deal.
I'd rather just buy a full standalone game like Colonial Marines and have money left over.
So people can choose between spending $149.00 on an AUR package or buy between 3 and up to 30 full standalone games without pay to win items on Steam with the same $149. Hmmmm - not a tough choice. Steam - here's $149. CCP - here's $0.

SP requirements are way to high and that is to encourage the stupid to purchase 'implants'
(14x multipliers on the jumpsuit skills ???? why??? oh greed....)

+ The mistake many make is playing dust to win.
That is a waste of time in a pay to win game so start playing with a different motive and Dust is better:

For me - I don't cap many points. I steal tanks(that some idiots could have paid real $$$ for) and park them in front of blaster turrents for destruction. Quite often I just run around with the nova knife doing nothing to help my team.
I have a lot of fun - but do not at any point try to win.

Then the hilarity of PS3 only at the end of the console generation.
PS4 announcement which seems to be likely on Feb20 will be the end of Dust. Even if they have the PS4 version ready to roll upon release.

Who's gonna pay $800+ for a new console to play one game that then expects them to pay even more money if they want to win????? How many people just purchased a PS3 in the last few months for dust and are on Feb 20 going to lose their **** at CCP???

Free to play should mean free to play like DOTA2 is - where items are only cosmetic and have no extra abilities.

no it's for real

but has no real impact as you can still hear what is being said and squad and team coms work without it

so it's just like eve, which really has no voice and you pay for your TS3 servers. Just cos someone in your corp or allaince is paying,

Since people don't seem to agree on my opinion on how payment in Dust514 (or games in general) should work, I suppose I'll have to explain it.

For commercial games, I prefer a one time fee. However, games that keep evolving deserve more than a one time income, and this is especially true for mmo:s where you have to rely on company provided servers to be able to play.

In the case of EVE Online, and probably in the case of Dust514 as well, running a private server would be completely pointless as it would remove some of the major components of the game.

So, in these cases, there are 2 payment methods that I see no problem with :

1. A subscription.

2. Free to play with microtransactions for items that don't affect the gameplay at all. This includes items that simply make you more stealthy by being darker etc.



So, why am I playing EVE Online when it obviously doesn't follow my own rules?

Well, apart from it actually being one of the main reasons for me to quit more than once, it's because I got hooked while CCP was actually trying to do something about RMT.

Or at least some of them were trying to do something about it, I recall a blog by Abraxas about why you shouldn't buy isk for rl money, which was immediately followed by lots of comments about how CCP allowed buying isk for gtc, which in their opinion made the whole argument wrong.

It saddens me very much that EVE Online still follows the RMT path, and rather than slowing it down it appears that CCP wants it to keep increasing.

We'll see if I'll be able to see beyond the RMT in EVE enough to enjoy the game this time, but I do know that I do NOT intend to start playing any other game that goes down the pay to win path.


The "you can still hear what is being said" part is not a solution to the "nobody else has the item you need to talk so why should I get it" problem.

TS3 is free if you run it on your own server, but I understand why that might be a problem for small corps/alliances that don't have any member who can be bothered to run it.

and the hardware to run the TS server is free? Servers just appear magically with no cost attached to them?

There is no such thing as a free lunch, as I said... you may not be paying for it, but someone is.

@Scorpyn

How many people you know actually own and run their own servers with TS for free? Compare that to the number of players that don't and usually have to pay money for the service. I don't know exactly how TS servers operate, but I wager that there is a cost involved somewhere down the line.

@Scorpyn

Yeah, that is going to be a problem when you have to run a fleet that is about 1,500 players strong.

i delivered game server for steam and the us army between 2000 thru 2010. and when i say you couldn't buy 1 unless you got 1500 to 4500 usd for just the chassis not counting hard drives, memory, power supplies and someone to set up test trouble shot them, oh almost forgot. racks to hold the servers cooling and for someone to come in daily to monitor and preform maint. 1 of my last deliveries was for a small business 30 employees, 8 servers for everyday operations ,backups and web. setup and monitoring 200,450.00 usd for 2 year a very basis set up. and one of the reasons for uvt is to for eve to dust player comm so a dust player can call in orbital bombardment. oh why play if you just going to be the jack azz who doesn't do anything to help just cause problems for the people who play objectives. i guess you are one of the medic who run around not healing people too. i bet you find that fun too. please do us all a favor(eve and dsust514) take a long walk off a short cliff. have a nice day

What are you trying to say?

thank you nova fox. i got 1 friend who is able to afford a server for his home it control everything from lighting , entertainment ,security and work. the only reason he can afford it is because he like to me use to work for the company. and it was a bottom of the barrel system. only 12 terabits using off the self hard drives and standard desk top memory and it was a total of 2300.00 usd and he has a masters in computer tech . yhis job now is to setup school systems backup systems and alternate comm. but he's all so is military and his job there is to setup secure data links for battlefield comm that means in layman terms so 1 sniper can look at target send that info to hq from there to a waitin a10 or b2, bradley or m1 or verify thats the target they need to take out. the stuff is mind numbing. so i think i can say with authority. you sir don't what you talking about . oh me 5 yrs at mit for computer design and comm tech that mean i invent new way of secure comms and software programs.

That you as a person trying to own thier very own voice server (regardless of software) is well out of the budget of most people earn a year.

I can run it just fine on a mini-itx board. No need for a rack server.

I am going to apologize for sounding like a real IT person would sound like.

You're stupid and a liar.

Don't believe me? Try this on for size.

Open your favorite media player that allows multiple instances.

Now have it play your favorite song and have it on repeat.

Continue to open each one and playing that song and repeating said steps.

Lets see if you can barely break 500 clients. Oh btw have the noise uploaded to a second computer over the internet in real time.

The issue is with voice servers is that the information MUST be received in order and thanks to the internet methods, there are quite often times packets get lost and dropped so the quality of service has to be raised up significantly. This is why splitting voice over channels is considerably a silly idea. It be awful it the first half of 'for' winds up in and overlaps into first part of the word 'muck'.

Overall the entire costs is very prohibitive but leasing lines out is a way to recoup it or licencing though game developers the way C3 does.

This isn't the case for websites or even downloads or you tube videos even.

Afaik you can't use TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and similar on the PS3.

Those with laptops (or another computer) close enough to the PS3 should be able to use TS3 or similar.

The problem I have with this is that I consider voice to be a core game mechanic in this type of game.

I can understand wanting to charge for stuff, but then don't pretend that the game is free.

Also, since there are also implants that are only available for aur, I'll be uninstalling the game.

If you want to charge for pay to win features you should at least TRY to make it subtle, like you do with the main game where you can buy isk with plex (which I also hate, if I hadn't started playing before that was allowed there is no way I'd have kept playing).

Blah, it deleted what I said. :(

The jist of it was.....


Be happy the game is free, stop complaining... you can't get EVERYTHING for free.

FTP is a great new trend in gaming.