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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:51:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:Another aspect of force projection is the batphone  Scenario: A Titan jumps instead of bridging into lowsec, some dudes see the titan and drop supercaps on it, poor titan pilot radios for backup, support carriers jump in for titan pilot, dudes who dropped supercaps batphone all of EVE and promise supercap kills if everyone else brings their big shinies. All of EVE makes it into one system within 30 minutes = force projection
It isn't "poor titan pilot" unless you mean they play EVE poorly.
"terrible titan pilot, who shouldn't and soon will no longer own a titan" might be more appropriate.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.02.04 05:04:00 -
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Force Projection is the answer to the simple question: How do I attack?
It can be a very simple answer. It can be a very complicated answer.
It can be a very durable answer. It can be a very fragile answer.
It can be a very cheap answer. It can be a very expensive answer.
It can be a very accurate answer (think: "reliability"). It can be a very inaccurate answer.
It can be a very fast answer. It can be a very slow answer, etc., etc., etc.
For instance: artillery vs autocannons . . .
Both simple. Both durable. Both cheap. (I think arties are a little cheaper, especially since they are more damage-efficient, versus autocannons, which are time-efficient.) Both are reliable, but that is where their properties are substantially different. In close, autocannons are fairly reliable. They are pretty hard to out-track. At longer range, artillery are more reliable, since they are harder to out-range. If you add in ship-bonuses, skills, webifiers, target painters, tracking computers, etc. you can see that the very simple question has a very complicated answer.
The current debate mostly centers on how fast/slow the force projection answer is. There are other questions, of course, such as "How do I defend?", and those also have a lot of bearing on the debate. |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers
Novus Dominatum
69
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Posted - 2013.02.04 05:12:00 -
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It's a term real generals use that a bunch of e-generals adopted to make themselves sound important. |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:02:00 -
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Revajin wrote:It's a term real generals use that a bunch of e-generals adopted to make themselves sound important.
Actually, many things that apply to RL warefare apply to Eve Online.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6557
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:53:00 -
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it's a buzzword thrown around by carebears who don't like spontaneous, massive fights
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Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins
Equestria Alliance
177
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:57:00 -
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Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:Revajin wrote:It's a term real generals use that a bunch of e-generals adopted to make themselves sound important. Actually, many things that apply to RL warefare apply to Eve Online.
If I get a job at Wal-Mart, I can walk around hitting the door greeters over the head in broad daylight and the cops won't do anything until a Manager fires me. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1809
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:00:00 -
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"Force Projection" is simply the term people use before going on a "Nerf Titans" rant.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:58:00 -
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Interesting factoid: The internet was designed for the specific purpose of force protection, at the behest of the U.S. military.
It's kind of silly to argue that such terms are meaningless here. "Real" generals decided a long time ago that thinking about this **** and simulating it on computers first was a better idea than getting kids' head blown off. It's hard to say "whelp" after something like that. Much better to whelp your Hurricane and jabber about what you could have done better and understand how that is analogous to "real" war. Plus, it's fun! |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
830
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:01:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi,
In this context, I believe force projection is the ability to get your numbers into position quickly via Titan jumps/covert portals and jump bridges.
If you're maintaining your sovereignty, you need to be able to drop defence forces against incursions as quickly as possible.
Let's be realistic. Force projection has nothing to do with defending your space in Eve. If it did, you could lower the base jump range on a titan to 1 LY and no one would complain. It has everything to do with being to hot drop everyone, everywhere, for no reason at all.
Defense of your own space...that's a good one. Got any more?
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
830
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:07:00 -
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celebro wrote:Whitehound wrote:celebro wrote:So what I gather is, force projection makes New Eden small and promotes only large alliance that need to hold many systems, that means little corps don't stand a chance to hold sov right? No. A little corp can certainly stand a chance. What matters is politics. If your intention is to get a foothold in 0.0 and then unleash hell on everyone around you then why exactly should this see a support in the mechanics by cutting everyone's force down? So you need to make friends, being smart , committed and skillful in combat means nothing?
Being smart, comitted, and skillful matters - especially when choosing both your friends and your enemies. Very few wars are actually decided on the battlefield.
Most of them are won or lost before they even start.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:22:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:"Force Projection" is simply the term people use before going on a "Nerf Titans" rant.
Since both Force Projection, or "Power Projection,' and Titan Bridge each deal with mobility,.....
Go figure.... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
722
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:33:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:tldr: with current mechanics in 0.0 limiting force projection is a bad idea... but if they fix sov mechanics and how 0.0 farming works then it might be in order
basically: hardcaps on anything in this game is highly exploitable.
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
373
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:37:00 -
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Force Projection is the ability for a state (or in EVE's case, Corporation or alliance) to exert military force, rather quickly, away from home borders/base of operations.
The United States primarily use Aircraft carriers and the CAW (Carrier Air Wing) and Marine Expeditionay Unit (MEU) to exert naval, Land and air power agaist an enemy at a moments notice.
In EVE, they use Titans.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
722
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:41:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:In EVE, they use Titans.
and close the gap between Catch and Fade, for example, with too much ease.
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Random Majere
Epsilon Lyr
Nulli Secunda
58
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:05:00 -
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Force projection through titan bridging is CCP`s new way to make your ears BLEED!!
It also helps bring the New Eden map feel as small as... a board game. |
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