I do not like seeing ships like the Venture. I like more of the variety, like for example - a mining frigate for each race type.

Instead we have 1 look, 1 ship, streamlined.

A miner frigate of each race choice, would offer more choice. More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

I do not like seeing ships like the Venture. I like more of the variety, like for example - a mining frigate for each race type.

Instead we have 1 look, 1 ship, streamlined.

A miner frigate of each race choice, would offer more choice. More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

Clearly turning the old mining frigates into a NEW SHIP TYPE was a horrid idea.

Besides, mining is its own playstyle, or should we have racial mining barges too?

Whitehound - Good train of logic. You are correct, but this is what I was getting at -

Lets say you had a huge player corp. They are raising their way of life in New Eden. Their corp is expanding with new pilots, and they are doing their production.

Here are some examples -

Its a growing corp of new players, and they are mainly caldari, in caldari space in and around hi sec.
They are collecting Caldari frigate blueprints, and doing research and copying on them etc.
They will make merlins and kestrels and condors, as their fighters in their fleets. For pvp / escorting haulers / protecting miners.
They will make herons for the eyes, for scouting space.
They will make Bantams and Griffins, as their logistics and Ewar support in pvp.
They will produce their mining frigates, for the miners in the corp. The miners will go mine, and the fighter ships will protect them.

The variety of a mining frigate, would for example, make a caldari mining frigate. This ship would have the caldari common tendencies in its stats, like more shield + mid slots. The caldari mining frigate would blend right in with the caldari focused fleet.

I was just using caldari as an example.
Also, the venture is JUST an example, of all the streamlining that is going on. Don't get so short sighted on the mining frigate.

Racial mining barges would be fun. Just for the sake of example, a Caldari mining barge would have caldari tendencies. More shield and mid slots, ETC... and go well with a shield fleet.

Same thing for other races. Instead we have a boring streamline.

You don't run mining ships in a shield fleet, or an armor fleet. You run them in a mining fleet. Mining ships are their own type.

We had mining frigates and mining cruiser, the reason they took them out had nothing to do with dumbing eve down or streamlining it; it was because they were pointless.


If you really want to think about it. consider ORE its own faction with its own playstyle separate from Caldari, or Gallente, or Minmatar or Amarr.

It is too idealistic. You can certainly take any frigate - any ship - and fit it with mining lasers.

Some ships are simply better than others. Not only are the ORE ships better at mining than what the Empire has to offer, but Pirate factions offer better ships, too.

The Venture is not the only frigate that is able to mine.

You forget that the mining vessels in this game are developed by ORE which isn't a race as such but a company

you could argue that there is only one developer of mining barges and give ORE some competition by introducing another mining company that develops its own competing variant of mining barges / vessels

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I do not like seeing ships like the Venture. I like more of the variety, like for example - a mining frigate for each race type.

Instead we have 1 look, 1 ship, streamlined.

A miner frigate of each race choice, would offer more choice. More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

I do not like seeing ships like the Venture. I like more of the variety, like for example - a mining frigate for each race type.

Instead we have 1 look, 1 ship, streamlined.

A miner frigate of each race choice, would offer more choice. More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

You do realize that this is an ORE mining frigate. In the same way the barges are built by ORE and not racial so is the Venture...I'm not seeing the issue.

More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

Whats the point of having many ship for a role you skip withing about 3 days?

I am TALKING about a mining fleet, for example a caldari one, full of the same corp of players. If they are in low sec - Their will be miners + haulers + fighters to protect + scouts and support.

I am not understanding you exactly - can you please rephrase or expand on your statement?

Its a growing corp of new players, and they are mainly caldari, in caldari space in and around hi sec.
They are collecting Caldari frigate blueprints, and doing research and copying on them etc.
They will make merlins and kestrels and condors, as their fighters in their fleets. For pvp / escorting haulers / protecting miners.
They will make herons for the eyes, for scouting space.
They will make Bantams and Griffins, as their logistics and Ewar support in pvp.
They will produce their mining frigates, for the miners in the corp. The miners will go mine, and the fighter ships will protect them.

race alrieady yada mining frigate

I mostly agree with OP's point.

The introduction of new specialized ships and the clear definition of each ship's supposed role (emphasized a lot during tiericide) threatens the "the fitting makes the ship" philosophy of EVE.

The idea that each ship is a relatively blank slate waiting to be defined by its fitting allows for creative fittings and an ever-changing metagame.

OLD: 4 frigates with mining bonuses
New: 1 frigate with mining bonuses, 4 frigates with remote rep bonuses (or other things, some of the frigs got swapped around, but thats the main new thing)

Care to point out which of these previous mining ships could do stuff OTHER than mining effectively before, that cannot now do other stuff equally if not more effectively now, so roles have not been reduced, but infact increased?

There has been no change, because of the venture, REDUCING the roles a ship can perform.

I do not like seeing ships like the Venture. I like more of the variety, like for example - a mining frigate for each race type.

Instead we have 1 look, 1 ship, streamlined.

A miner frigate of each race choice, would offer more choice. More looks, and different gameplay - because of the differing stats on playstyles on each race's ship.

I sincerely hope you are not operating heavy machinery of Cruiser class or upwards in that state!

okay man. Come on.... When did i ever state, that NO other frigate can mine. I already know this. Almost any ship can do any task. You of course arent going to fit a bantam, like a merlin. The merlin does better at its designed role than a bantam or griffin.

I've seen more people mining in a badger then I've seen mine in a frigate; which is why they repurposed them.

We used to have a "mining frigate" for each race. They weren't used.

Did the racial mining frigates and cruisers lose their mining bonuses? Or are the wiki's not updated yet. Sorry, can't be arsed to load up the client and check. If they do still have those bonuses, then they are still racial mining ships, yes? Sorry, not seeing the problem still.

It's always been a foregone conclusion that people interested in mining were going to aim for a ORE mining ship. These have always been made by ORE. So yeah, only the newbs of the noobs were using the racial mining ships. Hell, I even remember long hours in my Exequoror until I could fly a Retriever.

Given the limited nature of mining and that CCP has now opened up ORE ship mining to basically everyone with a few minutes of skilling is no great surprise nor a detriment to the game. There's only fractional advantages of one racial mining ship over the other racial counterparts. It's nothing to excited about or worth cross training. If ORE didn't exist then maybe it might be worth the effort to gain a few extra percentage of cargo space or quicker cycle times or ore yields. But ORE is here. Noone has complained of homogenization before the Venture and really, noone should be complaining about it now. I'm not telling anyone not to complain. I'm just saying this is a non-issue. But hey, people love taking issues with non-issues all the time, especially if they're OCD.

Hopefully we will get more ships from ORE, said the character focused on Gallente and ORE.

Racial mining ships. Amarr focus on laser mining, minmatar on hybrids, caldari on missile mining (the most fun), gallente on projectile mining or whatever stupid thing gallente normally does.

All require different fit mining equipment to get the most out of an asteroid.

In the end, you all still sit there shooting rocks.

I do not approve of the OP. It's quite absurd, tbh. But the actual subject (as written) is near and dear to my heart.

I sincerely wish that CCP hadn't nerfed iconic ships like the rifter, hurricane, dramiel, etc. into oblivion.

All ships should be flyable/viable, but all ships needn't be equally good. If all ships are equally good, I have no incentive to cross-train. Nerfing previously best-in-class ships into inferior 'runts' is not cool and is a spit in the face of anyone who dedicated their skillplan to those particular hulls.

gallente on projectile mining or whatever stupid thing gallente normally does.

Racial mining barges would be fun. Just for the sake of example, a Caldari mining barge would have caldari tendencies. More shield and mid slots, ETC... and go well with a shield fleet.

Same thing for other races. Instead we have a boring streamline.

I do believe you morons, that the OP was only using mining frigs as an example. Box = Think Outside.