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Lugia3
Lurking Beneath
274
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:36:00 -
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I would support, but then he said he would try to get rid of high-sec incursions.
No. Give drones some love: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2176396&#post2176396 |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
20
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:49:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:I would support, but then he said he would try to get rid of high-sec incursions.
No.
Most PVE makes no sense at all. Just enjoy the money while you can.
High-Sec incursions lack actual risk... and low sec incursions pay a whooping 10% more - wow. (unless you do them only for bp drops) If low-sec incursions paid out say, 1000% more, and could offset the risks of losing fleets, then we'd actively hunt them down and do them. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1737
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Posted - 2013.03.05 03:29:00 -
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Alana Charen-Teng wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money as there are no where near that and frankly I have never been in a system with one of these wonderful cowards. You really have a fixation on the word 'coward'. No I suppose I could consult a thesaurus but coward fits well, so why stop using it? EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
938
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:49:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Alana Charen-Teng wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money as there are no where near that and frankly I have never been in a system with one of these wonderful cowards. You really have a fixation on the word 'coward'. No I suppose I could consult a thesaurus but coward fits well, so why stop using it? 'Coward' gets boring after a certain number of uses and surely, you don't want your posts to be boring?
I took the liberty of thinking of a few alternatives for you:
Lily-livered dog! Cad! Craven! Chicken! Rabbit! Wimp! Yellow-belly! Scaredy-cat! Scoundrel! Faint-heart! Pusillanimous villain! You have become the pubbie, Mittani. Yours is the temple whose technetium-clad tables are at risk of being overthrown, whose seats need mixing. You're the one who fears war. -- Sadleric
Vote James 315 for CSM 8! |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing The Honda Accord
40
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:31:00 -
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Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say... I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
480
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:09:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...
Where's your proof that this will happen? So far, the only time CCP's income has seriously been put at risk was when they elected to focus on a room that doesn't do anything at the expensive of asploding spaceships. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Vote 315 for CSM 8 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7987
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:39:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...
Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:32:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say... Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.
I think Retribution heavily promoted the idea of violence against criminals...we know how that turned out... Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7995
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:44:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Malcanis wrote:Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area. I think Retribution heavily promoted the idea of violence against criminals...we know how that turned out...
'Criminal' is such a subjective term Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing The Honda Accord
40
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:51:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Where's your proof that this will happen?
Well...I think one proof is provided by you in your example of what happened in the incarna disaster:admiral root wrote: So far, the only time CCP's income has seriously been put at risk was when they elected to focus on a room that doesn't do anything at the expensive of asploding spaceships. Yep, CCP screwed up a big change and not-so-good things happened for them IRL. I wonder if that has made them more or less eager to go with big changes? Hasn't CCP announced that they prefer making many smaller changes to their game rather than making big changes all of a sudden? Seems like that might leave a "nuke hisec" platform kind of at odds with CCPs intentions. So proof that CCP has considered that something they might prefer not happen could happen is shown by their actions. Hisec can and in some aspects should change, sure, but it seems highly unlikely that CCP will beat it into the ground with big changes quickly (Nuke hisec! Nerf it hard - for the health of the game! etc etc ).
Malcanis wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say... Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.
Fine by me. I just don't think CCP is going to mess up it's bread-and-butter area that involves a large part of it's customers in it's bread-and-butter game too badly regardless what any of us say. Changes are needed, but hopefully mostly by buffing low and null greatly...mostly...
Solutions = buff, buff not nerf
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:55:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Solutions = buff, buff not nerf
I can agree with that sentiment. At least it recognizes the imbalance. The problem is it's been done before with FW rewards. If you reduce the risk for someone to near zero, then their risk-reward ratio becomes nearly infinite, no amount of high reward / high risk game play can beat low reward at NO RISK. And with the way things are going we are heading in that no risk isk machine direction. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Sasha Rama
Dylarian Combine
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:36:00 -
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James 315 interview:
http://audio.crossingzebras.com/Files/CSM8%20Election%20Interviews_%20James%20315.mp3
He is anti-high sec and will do everything he can to make it a wasteland. He has an invested interest in decimating high sec, by his own admission, he suicide ganks and wardecs miners. He is very clear about taking down the economy. He want's to nerf high sec and make it easier to destroy not only new players, but especially industrialists. If he is elected, he will make high sec a nightmare.
His obssesion with destroying afk miners and other high sec players, directly contradicts any idea of saving high sec. He means to save it for gankers and pirates to frighten and put fear in players. His statement that he is anti-troll is itself, a troll. Defenders of high sec do not taking pleasure in 'collecting' tears from high sec players.
The half hour interview, and the idea of voting him in, will be high secs undoing in many ways. He is not serious about saving anyone, it is clear he intends to undermine and destroy other players with the changes he wants to see put into effect.
Look at his post and get a sense of what kind of candidate he would be, he isen't serious about saving high sec from anything, its propaganda. It isen't broken and no one wants to undo the changes CCP made to high sec.
He will be a terrible CCP rep, make you regret it, and then blog about how happy he is about it. He is quoted as saying "High sec is useful for new players learning to manuever their ship and to commute space to trade hubs, and thats it." |
Jeremy Soikutsu
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
61
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:51:00 -
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Sasha Rama wrote:James 315 interview: If he is elected, he will make high sec a nightmare. To be fair no he won't. At best CCP will ignore him and he'll be an annoying waste of space, nothing new to the CSM really. At worst he'll just shred the last bit of credibility that the CSM might still have with a lot of people. So you don't need to be that worried. Ripard Teg for CSM 8 |
Sasha Rama
Dylarian Combine
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:06:00 -
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Yes, your right.
Why waste your vote. |
Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
31
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:19:00 -
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Sasha Rama wrote:he suicide ganks and wardecs miners
Sasha Rama wrote:He is very clear about taking down the economy.
Sasha Rama wrote: He want's to nerf high sec and make it easier to destroy...new players
Lots of citations needed. |
Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
187
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:09:00 -
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Sasha Rama wrote:
He is very clear about taking down the economy.
directly contradicts any idea of saving high sec.
Defenders of high sec do not taking pleasure in 'collecting' tears from high sec players.
will be high secs undoing in many ways.
Look at his post and get a sense of what kind of candidate he would be, he isen't serious about saving high sec from anything, its propaganda. It isen't broken and no one wants to undo the changes CCP made to high sec.
Bolded point 1: I have actually engaged in a rational discussion with him. He does not care about the economy. At all. If it burns down because it is built on how stagnant the highsec part of EVE is, well that's just a problem endemic to no-risk-low-reward philosophy inherent in highsec. A great deal of minerals come from highsec. That's because it's the easiest place to get them. There's no reason to go to lowsec for literally the same minerals, if you will have an actual risk of losing them if you go there.
Point 2: He's trying to change the stage of the game. I'm hesitant to use the word 'stagnant' any more as a descriptor, because otherwise it will lose all meaning. Furthermore, he has stated actual plans for altering lowsec and nullsec to make them worth going to. Rather than save highsec, I think he's trying to save the game.
Point 3: They don't. The New Order (through minerbumping.com) exists solely as a channel to illuminate the real issue- People are so expectant that EVE is basically a single player game that they should have no risks in doing anything in, that as soon as anyone so much as breathes on them, they will start flipping out. Which goes to show that with stagnation (There's that magic word again) players will become complacent and refuse any kind of change that could be imposed on them.
Point 4/5: Yes. That's the entire god damn point. Highsec is broken. Look. If people were actually going elsewhere for minerals and selling them on the market to industrialists, then there wouldn't actually be a serious effect on the market from New Order activity. And it seems that since they started up, costs of things have increased. What does that imply? It implies that far too much of the economy is built around how cushy highsec mining is.
Chatlog. ctrl+f any term you think I'm lying about. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
59
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:45:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote: I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.
I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to. |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:48:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.
I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.
If the base of the pvp food chain, aka the miners and mission runners respond to a loss of their income and move to low/null, so will their predators. This is like Ecology 101. If the prey move to a new habitat, the predators will either die out or follow them. We are smarter than your garden variety sloth, so I think the predators will put 2 and 2 together and follow their prey. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
59
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:01:00 -
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Wescro wrote:dark heartt wrote:
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.
I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.
If the base of the pvp food chain, aka the miners and mission runners respond to a loss of their income and move to low/null, so will their predators. This is like Ecology 101. If the prey move to a new habitat, the predators will either die out or follow them. We are smarter than your garden variety sloth, so I think the predators will put 2 and 2 together and follow their prey.
However they won't get far out in null. |
Aiden Lynch
Brave Newbies Inc.
14
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:10:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:Winchester Steele wrote: I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets.
I still don't understand the logic of this.
His plan is to make High Sec so full of gankers and so dangerous that miners will go....to low/null? Why would a player who didn't like being killed go to a PvPier area of the game? Wouldn't they just play some other game? (Or cease to exist entirely, because of how many of them are alts)? If you're good at this game, you're bad at this game.If you're terrible at this game, you're great at this game.ISK is nothing. Pew pew everything. |
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dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
59
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:15:00 -
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Aiden Lynch wrote:dark heartt wrote:Winchester Steele wrote: I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. I still don't understand the logic of this. His plan is to make High Sec so full of gankers and so dangerous that miners will go....to low/null? Why would a player who didn't like being killed go to a PvPier area of the game? Wouldn't they just play some other game? (Or cease to exist entirely, because of how many of them are alts)?
Basically he wants to nerf the rewards for being in highsec to the point where people have no choice to go to low or null AKA the more risk the greater the reward. He wants to force player interaction (which you really can't force on anyone no matter how hard you try). It's like James can't see anything from anyone else's point of view. |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:28:00 -
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What's funny is, a lot of people who balk at nerfing high sec happily sign on for buffing low/null. The end result is the same, high sec becomes unattractive relative to low/null, so why all the pussyfooting about nerfing high sec? It really shows the entitlement mentality of the high sec player. "What ever you do, don't take away our easy ISK! We need that or we will unsub!" Meanwhile, the easy access to oodles of ISK playing in super safe solo play-style is stifling player interaction and miner ganking is at record lows.
You want to earn bazillions. God bless. But your gonna have to take risks, and in high sec those risks just aren't there. Earn your moolah where I can shoot you damnit. I didn't sub to a cuthroat spaceship war game to spin my damn ship in the hangar. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Leonardo Esil
Miner Pinball INC
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:13:00 -
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goddamnit, forum ate my post. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
21
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:25:00 -
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I would be happiest if there was no endless cycle of nerfs and buffs, and everyone could just learn to adapt to find the most violent solution to our problems instead of petitioning GMs or getting onto the CSM to manipulate CCP... The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |
Aiden Lynch
Brave Newbies Inc.
14
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:53:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:Aiden Lynch wrote:dark heartt wrote:Winchester Steele wrote: I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.
I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. I still don't understand the logic of this. His plan is to make High Sec so full of gankers and so dangerous that miners will go....to low/null? Why would a player who didn't like being killed go to a PvPier area of the game? Wouldn't they just play some other game? (Or cease to exist entirely, because of how many of them are alts)? Basically he wants to nerf the rewards for being in highsec to the point where people have no choice to go to low or null AKA the more risk the greater the reward. He wants to force player interaction (which you really can't force on anyone no matter how hard you try). It's like James can't see anything from anyone else's point of view.
He doesn't want more player interaction, he wants more easy targets to farm.
Wescro wrote:What's funny is, a lot of people who balk at nerfing high sec happily sign on for buffing low/null. The end result is the same, high sec becomes unattractive relative to low/null, so why all the pussyfooting about nerfing high sec? It really shows the entitlement mentality of the high sec player. "What ever you do, don't take away our easy ISK! We need that or we will unsub!" Meanwhile, the easy access to oodles of ISK playing in super safe solo play-style is stifling player interaction and miner ganking is at record lows.
You want to earn bazillions. God bless. But your gonna have to take risks, and in high sec those risks just aren't there. Earn your moolah where I can shoot you damnit. I didn't sub to a cuthroat spaceship war game to spin my damn ship in the hangar. If you're good at this game, you're bad at this game.If you're terrible at this game, you're great at this game.ISK is nothing. Pew pew everything. |
Leonardo Esil
Miner Pinball INC
1
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:37:00 -
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We mine "safely" in nullsec because thousands of rough men stand ready in the night to visit spaceship violence on those who would do us harm.
Seems entirely fair. |
Jeremy Soikutsu
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
62
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:03:00 -
[207] - Quote
Wescro wrote:Earn your moolah where I can shoot you damnit. Because no one can shoot anyone in high. Noooooo one. Ripard Teg for CSM 8 |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
944
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:44:00 -
[208] - Quote
Aiden Lynch wrote:if you're in a big alliance, null mining is pretty easy ISK too. Two problems with this argument:
1. What safety there is in nullsec is provided by players, not CCP. That means that there is hundreds and hundreds of man hours going into that safety you have there.
2. It isn't. It isn't safe, you certainly can't AFK, and the ores aren't worth enough to bother going to null over highsec. You have become the pubbie, Mittani. Yours is the temple whose technetium-clad tables are at risk of being overthrown, whose seats need mixing. You're the one who fears war. -- Sadleric
Vote James 315 for CSM 8! |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1797
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:22:00 -
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What is your stance on AFK skill training? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
947
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:30:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:What is your stance on AFK skill training? I know Wescro trains AFK all the time, so that pretty much speaks for itself.
As for James, he mentioned in one of his blog posts that he hadn't trained a skill for several years, with the exception of Currin Trading's ganking skills.
On another note; seriously Poetic, some good posting from you just now. All that copy/paste. You have become the pubbie, Mittani. Yours is the temple whose technetium-clad tables are at risk of being overthrown, whose seats need mixing. You're the one who fears war. -- Sadleric
Vote James 315 for CSM 8! |
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