Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to get serious about the future of high sec. For too long we have been plagued with high sec decay. It's our own fault for allowing gameplay to be suppressed in favor of artificial safety. The result? Voiceless faceless botfleets, solo mission runners with names like Sheysfsuresgats (bots), the ranks of the NPC corps swell, noobs quitting day 1 of trial, miners earning slave wages.

And safety? THERE IS NONE. Is there any hope for this dystopic wasteland that high sec has become? Can someone save and protect high sec?

There's no protector like the Supreme Protector. James 315, currently the Saviour of Highsec has graciously accepted the mandate placed upon him by highsecs downtrodden, and decided to become the glorious representative of highsecs cherished interests on CSM 8.

High sec. Will. Be. Saved.

James 315 has a proven track record for content creation. He has a track record for organization and getting things done. Truly, it will be a new chapter in the history of EVE!

Long live high sec!!!

2 months later James315 was found dead, someone had shoved a model Hulk down his throat

Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive!

I fanatically support the theme-parking of Eve. So it can be the game I want to play, instead of the game some jerk wants to play.

So let's get this clear - you sought out, bought and started a subscription for a game that you didn't want to play, and then decided that instead of finding a game that you did want to play, the best route was to campaign for the game to be changed into one that you would like but that all the people who bought the game based on what it actually was wouldn't like?

OK.

I figure that, if Wescro's signature is true, then clearly, the MAJORITY of the candidates want to change Eve so it's more friendly to players who don't want to be jerks..

It isn't; at least, not in the sense that you're understanding it.
So far, James is the only candidate running based on the preservation of the sandbox - as far as I know, the others don't make that a central part of their platform.

However, neither mynnna, nor Malcanis, nor the HBC candidate, whoever he is, or any of the lowsec candidates, and hopefully not the wormhole candidate either, will be in favour of making highsec PvP optional, as you seem to be.

There's also the fact that only a very few candidates have actually announced their candidacy yet, since we've still got several months before the actual election.

No, it would be very misleading to say that either the majority of the CSM candidates for next year, or this year's CSM, or CCP themselves approve of making PvP consensual.

This whole miner bumping thing the past several months has just been one players massive ego trip.

Unfortunately, James will have none of my 6 votes.

I fanatically support the theme-parking of Eve. So it can be the game I want to play, instead of the game some jerk wants to play.

But as someone who thrives on drama, it is a win-win for me. I can't decide what I would want to see more:
> His inability to make any changes at all if elected,
or
> The reactions of him and his Knights if he loses the election

It'll be more glorious than Republicans on message boards the past 3 months.

That seemed to be quite the consideration though, if I read the minutes correctly. Highseccers are tired of getting screwed with.

What they need to do is buckle down, and make nullsec better so people WANT to go out there and socialize and play with others.

This whole miner bumping thing the past several months has just been one players massive ego trip.

I subscribed to this game because a friend showed it to me, and I saw the glorious amounts of drama. I was in heaven during the Jita Incarna riots. I figure that, if Wescro's signature is true, then clearly, the MAJORITY of the candidates want to change Eve so it's more friendly to players who don't want to be jerks.

When you have this many people taking internet space ships this seriously, it just makes sense to try and screw with them. It's simple, really.

Nicely done, OP. Sardonic post with a subtle RP twist. That 315 guy should thank you. ...If only you used your powers for good... j/k

If some highsec players are tired of being screwed with, maybe they should get off their collective backsides and do something about it, they have the exact same tools as everybody else, they should use them. I'm a highsec player myself, doing mainly PvE and industry stuff as well as a bit of wormhole spelunking and I have no problems with the game as it is.

Highsec is too safe.

So it can be the game I want to play

So it can be the game I want

I want

I want

I want

Will buying New Order shares now be used to fund James315's glorious rise to the true savior of highsec?

And if so, how will my potential investment be used?

Will buying New Order shares now be used to fund James315's glorious rise to the true savior of highsec?

And if so, how will my potential investment be used?

At least I can spell entitled, like a good and proper forum alt.

I'm not throwing tantrums. I am only putting all my efforts towards the theme-parking of Eve so it appeals to more types of players.

all we want is the promise to give us prompt information, be active and visible, be approachable if we have problems, and shout in CCP's face in a professional way if they start to do something obviously ********. Not push any agenda.

Everybody wins if James 315 is on the CSM. We've all heard the common complaint about "nullsec dominated" CSM positions, and a lack of highsec representation... well here's your chance, hi-dwellers! James is 100% dedicated to the betterment of highsec, so get your votes ready!

Where is his intention to run posted?

Get him an interview, as well.


http://crossingzebras.com/post/40699271518/electioninterviews

So James does not want a high sec or a carebear in Eve. I know there are many that don't "do" carebears but who do you think mines the trit for your ships. Carebears that's who.

So there is too much ISK in Empire. Who has the best minerals, the best moons, the best rats. Well it aint empire.

James is just another goon who wants to destroy Eve, he does not want to better high sec he wants to destroy it.

James has proposed a slightly different purpose for HighSec. It wouldn't flat out destroy HighSec, because it includes it as part of the risk/reward system. Right now, many of us have no real drive to push into LowSec, because we can do what we need entirely within HighSec. We can progress well entirely within HighSec. We can accumulate vast quantities of ISK in HighSec.

Part of his proposal is increasing the value of LowSec. As it stands right now, LowSec is kinda the red headed step child that few really bother with. Increasing the reward for venturing into LowSec creates new opportunities for many things. A mining op to LowSec with some security might be worth it, for the right reward. And when a mining op into LowSec isn't just fish in a barrel, maybe targeting mining ops in Low Sec becomes less palatable. From there, LowSec becomes a bit safer for housing some industrial types, while still maintaining a degree of risk, while still being less risky than trying to ninja into someone's 0.0 sov and steal their minerals.

This opens the door for new types of interactions. Right now, holing up in HighSec is a mostly viable method for avoiding interaction. When interaction is forced, people cry. We need them to be less worried about playing with themselves in public, and get out there and play with others. If that means that miners can't AFK mine ice or trit 23/7, I'm not sure that's a huge loss. After initial upheaval, the market normalizes.

As these interactions work with each other, the net effect is that LowSec becomes a safer place, HighSec isn't as desirable, the market improves for Industrialists, combat ships remain in demand, and people spend more time playing the game instead of watching Netflix while their ore holds fill themselves.

This type of approach endorses the idea of sandboxing, because it attacks the idea that your pillow fort really will keep the monsters outside.

- Highsec mining will be nerfed into oblivion. We'll have one or possibly two different types of ore available, just so new players can learn how to distinguish between them on the overview.

- Highsec missioning will be nerfed into oblivion. Nothing higher than Level 2 missions will be available. All the rest goes into lowsec.

- Highsec incursions and the like will be scrapped completely. I will eliminate all highsec PvE aside from the (virtually useless) mining and missioning. People say it's to help people learn how to PvE in groups, but that's not true--it's simply become a risk-free money-machine. No more.

Even though this will minimize the reward of highsec, I'd also like to increase the risk of highsec a bit, just in case some players don't get the message.

- Concord and faction police will take twice as long to respond, effectively making it twice as easy to be ganked.

- The firepower of sentry guns in highsec will be cut in half. I think it's excessive at the moment.

- The "boomerang" will be brought back. Concord will still kill you, but you can warp away as before. Boomerang ganking required sufficient skill, effort, and luck that I consider it a fair, legitimate tactic.

- Security status losses will be greatly diminished. I don't have an exact figure, but I don't like the idea that people who commit "crimes" in highsec should need to spend a long time grinding to make up for it. That imposes boredom on the very people who obviously like it least.

Thanks Vin. You insist this is your main, for a 10 day old character you sure have a lot to say. Lets assume your not a James / Goon / Test alt then I assume you have yet to visit nul sec or low sec. In fact you have done nothing in eve other than kill a few miners. I suspect this either not your main or this post has been written by others. You lack credibility.

I disagree. If more people had a reason to go into LowSec, I believe that more people could help stabilize the region and make it safer overall. Yes, if it continued as it does now, it'd be bad. But if people started working together to make LowSec safer for mining, I see good things that can arise from it.

Of course, no doing this in newbie zones. I like tears, too. But not at the expense of blowing folks up who do not even know all the controls yet.

I suggest you read his latest blog and I quote


"Highsec mining will be nerfed into oblivion. We'll have one or possibly two different types of ore available, just so new players can learn how to distinguish between them on the overview"

"Highsec missioning will be nerfed into oblivion. Nothing higher than Level 2 missions will be available. All the rest goes into lowsec."

"People need to be rewarded for their risks. Highsec carries little risk, while low/null carry great risk. That means lowsec and nullsec PvE should be much more rewarding."

There is a lot more, read it if you want a good laugh.

So James does not want a high sec or a carebear in Eve. I know there are many that don't "do" carebears but who do you think mines the trit for your ships. Carebears that's who.

So there is too much ISK in Empire. Who has the best minerals, the best moons, the best rats. Well it aint empire.

James is just another goon who wants to destroy Eve, he does not want to better high sec he wants to destroy it.

Vote for "anyone but James"

As grateful as I am for your daily donation of tears, I must admit that I am, indeed, an alt of James and the Goons, and Test. You are vastly correct in your assertion that they are all just me. You have busted me at the greatest con ever to happen in EvE. All this time, the entire Goonswarm has been me.

I'm so happy that your observation skills have shown us exactly how much credibility you have in this regard.

If he really wants to see his dream realized, he needs to win the hearts of the newbies and make sure that there is at least an environment SAFE ENOUGH for newer players to really learn how to play EVE.

High sec. Will. Be. Saved.

What James 315 proposed was just a rewrite of the most popular whines/complaints in General Discussion, he added nothing new to the discussion or had anything interesting to say.

I will diffidently vote for someone that is going to improve low-sec, but nerfing hi-sec is not improving low-sec. Low-sec needs a purpose and content that makes people want to go to low-sec, you are not making low-sec more fun or interesting by nerfing hi-sec.

I also don't agree with the game should be easier for risk averse gankers, who just want to fly around killing defenseless mission runners and miners. Make the game more dangerous for everyone.

Maybe hi-sec will be saved, but not by James 315. He had a lot of success with the bumping campaign, and maybe he should just stick to bumping miners. If he really think he deserves csm membership, maybe he should come up with some new thoughts on how the game could be improved, as it stands now all he has to offer has already been trolled/whined/discussed to death in general discussion.

In my opinion the best content in EVE is player created, and not created by devs. To that end a movement of players from high to low will create content.

Kitsumoto said it right, James is approaching this as an extremist and what hisec needs is a moderate.

Any individual's ideas on the CSM will be diluted due to the CSM being a committee and the other members holding contrary views. If James holds moderate views they will be diluted down until they are ineffectual, by taking a radical and extreme stance, by the time his ideas have been moderated there will still be enough left to work with.

Moderate : tending toward the mean or average
Radical ideas lea to strong opposition and therefore dilution. However what you are saying is that James is falsely stating his intention. How can I take any of his positions seriously then?

As a representative of hisec one should stand up for what the average of hisec want not one extreme. So much for that idea..

I'm sure James is stating his position honestly. In politics moderates cause stagnation and extremes cause change, and hi-sec desperately needs change.

What ? Moderate politicians are able to work together and make things happen. Your statement is backwards. Look at the American political system right now, both parties are leaning to their respective extremes and there is NO cooperation. In all actuality the economic crisis and the debt risks have been on going for so long bc both parties are holdin to their ideological extreme rather than meeting in the middle for the good on the people who elected them. Extremism is working quite well in the Middle East as well, there is a lot being accomplished.

I mean obviously your blinded as one of the new orders minions but I just think James is runnin on a platform for the sake of running. There are much more desperately needed changes to tho game than what hisec requires. Eve I a sandbox and James is supposedly the only can candidate to support that (wha?) but In reality he is just trying to push his agenda and have the game changed to a play style he likes. It's a sandbox, the people who chose to play the carebears hisec lifestyle want to and made that choice. Their role is vital to eve, to nerf their game into oblivion is counterintuitive to what James so adamantly believes in. Null sec and lowsec have a lot more problems than hisec. These so called hisec solutions are just pvpers (llike me) trying to get more targets and action but in doing so they ignore the side effects on commerce an industry in new Eden. Who cares if some people want grins missions all day, it's a GRIND its not easy and it takes time. Yes it's relatively safe but not completely as James n the new order have made perfectly clear. Fix null and lowsec first then ccp can think about hisec. James wants to make change for the sake of making change and feelin important when in reality stupid ideas like this will work to ruin the delicate balance of Eve.

I'm sure James is stating his position honestly. In politics moderates cause stagnation and extremes cause change, and hi-sec desperately needs change.

I'm not sure you even read the platform, let alone understood it. Changes to null and lowsec are all over that thing! In any case, buffing null instead of nerfing highsec is just going to cause massive inflation when everything becomes cheaper. If nullsec is going to be buffed, highsec has to be nerfed equally.

What have your "moderate" Isslers achieved in the past years? Nothing. Now it is time for a true change. Funny that you mention middle-east where "extremists" have recently been able to make biggest political changes in decades. You might not agree to their agenda, but you can not deny they are effective.

I'm not sure you even read the platform, let alone understood it. Changes to null and lowsec are all over that thing! In any case, buffing null instead of nerfing highsec is just going to cause massive inflation when everything becomes cheaper. If nullsec is going to be buffed, highsec has to be nerfed equally.

Without hisec new players would never pass being 'new' because they would quit. They are at such a skill and isk disadvantage already, taking their proving grounds away would only make it worse.

As a new player, I've been podded for mining in LowSec, I've been pursued and blown up by Concord, I've received a bounty for 10M isk, I've sold ammo to other new players/characters, I've flown with gank fleets, I've bumped afk miners, I've learned how to steer, and much much more.

I've had a fun and exciting 10 days since I started playing.

None of it has been safe, none of it has been extremely profitable, but all of it has been fun. The times I've been the most bored with are when I sit there, staring at lasers slowly make an asteroid into isk. The changes suggested here can make my experience common for new players. "Welcome to the game, have some fun with some people." There's still safe places for newbies, places where we can mess around with trying to learn what we're doing. But there's room for much more fun to be had. I wouldn't trade my experiences as a new player jumping into risky endeavors for all the ice in Halaima.

i am fairly certain that you sir, are in fact, an alternate character of a person of ill repute posting on the forums to attempt to bring new players to the New Order

Yeah, because actually playing "EVE Online, the spaceship game" instead of AFK mining does, and should not happen.

i am fairly certain that you sir, are in fact, an alternate character of a person of ill repute posting on the forums to attempt to bring new players to the New Order

If it's really that impossible for new players to start playing the game, then why does everyone pretend to care about them? DBRB accidentally makes news, but surely nobody who doesn't already play the game would read that and become interested in playing, right? Any real new player has to want to afk mine ice, because new players need to supply the fuel market. That's their only purpose. No new player is allowed to have any sort of fun.

I'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree with the role you envision for new players. I thought I was joining a game where people had risk and ships got blowed up.

Any real new player has to want to afk mine ice, because new players need to supply the fuel market. That's their only purpose. No new player is allowed to have any sort of fun.

...while making high sec completely safe is a terrible idea, giving players a place where they dont have to be constantly paranoid that everything is important, no excuse for not fitting your god damn hulks already but seriously, you are a minority, not everyone supports the New Order, if you want people to go to null/low then stop trying to force them there and make some ******* incentive, like not killing them constantly and forever

The stench of alt posting has just gotten even fouler.

Yes only an ALT would use sarcasm

His proposals do in fact take account that new players need a safe-ish environment to play around in. That's what his proposal for the purpose of HighSec is. HighSec remains a safer place for new characters to stumble around. By taking away some of the incentive to stay in HighSec, and increasing the reward for going into LowSec, LowSec also becomes safer, because more people are working to make LowSec stable. His proposal isn't to throw everyone into LowSec as it is today.

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no his proposal is to through out all PVE activities besides 2 types of ore and L1 and L2 missions, THATS his proposal for high sec

I'm not sure how many new players are looking for L3 missions to run while expecting to be 100% safe.

Yes, because i can obviously afford a hulk to AFK mine my way to a bazzilion ISK, its not like everyone who disagrees with your goals is a "bot aspirant AFK miner who seeks only to play the game for his own profit", i dont even make enough money to afford to fly my first ******* vexor, i am literally using the same ship i have had for months, please, show me where this magic money faucet that supposedly exists in highsec is, because i can not find it and station trading is boring as balls

i came to EVE for spaceships exploding and fun, i got grinding, expensive spaceships that were too expensive to risk exploding, sec status grinding, dying constantly and people saying the game is too easy while i barely afford to fly frigates. nerfing high sec to the point where starting off in the game is a struggle and players are forced to subject themselves to the drama queens in null or the constant attacks from the roving gangs of low sec is a terrible idea, if you want to play a game where you blow everything up indiscriminately and constantly, thats fine, but not everyone does, and while making high sec completely safe is a terrible idea, giving players a place where they dont have to be constantly paranoid that everything is important, no excuse for not fitting your god damn hulks already but seriously, you are a minority, not everyone supports the New Order, if you want people to go to null/low then stop trying to force them there and make some ******* incentive, like not killing them constantly and forever

As a new player, I've been podded for mining in LowSec, I've been pursued and blown up by Concord, I've received a bounty for 10M isk, I've sold ammo to other new players/characters, I've flown with gank fleets, I've bumped afk miners, I've learned how to steer, and much much more.

I've had a fun and exciting 10 days since I started playing.

None of it has been safe, none of it has been extremely profitable, but all of it has been fun. The times I've been the most bored with are when I sit there, staring at lasers slowly make an asteroid into isk. The changes suggested here can make my experience common for new players. "Welcome to the game, have some fun with some people." There's still safe places for newbies, places where we can mess around with trying to learn what we're doing. But there's room for much more fun to be had. I wouldn't trade my experiences as a new player jumping into risky endeavors for all the ice in Halaima.

How many of these people complaining that James statements are "too extreme" also complained about the statements about making all pvp in highsec consensual only made by trebor, et al?

Oh, none of them.

Funny that.

As the game stands now, there is nothing preventing new players from doing what you did, I dont see your argument? As the game stands now, null sec is much more rewarding than high sec, and its not working. The game needs a fix for nullsec and lowsec, not a complete nerf of hisec.

As the game stands now, null sec is much more rewarding than high sec, and its not working. The game needs a fix for nullsec and lowsec, not a complete nerf of hisec. If you have 2 things, one working and one not, you dont get the broken one to work by breaking the working one, thats idiotic.

Due to power creep it is always better to balance by nerfing rather than boosting. Null and low both need to be boosted but this means a corresponding nerf to hi-sec otherwise null will become to OP.

CCP know this, they just really don't want to come out and say it. At least not until they have the flood defenses in place ready for the tidal flow of tears.

Yes, and i had the same experience, I was in lowsec living as a complete pvper in under a month and haven't gone back. But this game is a sandbox, what is fun for you may not be for others. Thats where the flaw in all of this is, its sandbox game stop trying to press your agendas and game style on other people. "Eve is meant for pvp blah blah" argument is dumb, Eve was designed to be a complete sandbox meaning players could choose many different play styles and careers within the game. As the game stands now, there is nothing preventing new players from doing what you did, I dont see your argument? As the game stands now, null sec is much more rewarding than high sec, and its not working. The game needs a fix for nullsec and lowsec, not a complete nerf of hisec. If you have 2 things, one working and one not, you dont get the broken one to work by breaking the working one, thats idiotic. The main aspect of James plan that are legitimate are the issues with lowsec, an area with all the danger and little reward, and moon mining which is a much greater problem for Eve play style and economics than afk mining as it literally requires you to do nothing, beyond that its just a bunch of ramblings.

I vote this forum alt for my CSM 8 Rep! No seriously, no sarcasm. I like James' mission but as you mention the path to get there is very extreme. Jarring change isn't going to help this game its the slow brutal knife twists that keep the players around as they put up with new changes.

How many of these people complaining that James statements are "too extreme" also complained about the statements about making all pvp in highsec consensual only made by trebor, et al?

Oh, none of them.

Funny that.

Last time I check he only said to allow consensual PVP in the way that allows people's I have 1v1 fights without a suspect flag

Well, I guess supporters can't always be chosen

In light of James 315's clear and succinct presentation of his views and his emphasis on direct community outreach through both in-game actions and ~words~, one might wonder whether some of the other CSM candidates are even seriously contending for a seat on the CSM.

315 4 CSM8.

Because James can only occupy one of the 14 CSM seats.

Because James can only occupy one of the 14 CSM seats. That gives the rest of us mere mortals something to play for.

James 315 is good at spreading lies and flying terrible fit ships. He will not win the CSM position and all your votes will be wasted

If we could somehow guarantee that subscriptions remained constant, would you be in favor of having highsec PvE nerfed and low/null buffed? Almost every serious observer would say "yes"

To those PvP'ers I would simply point out that PvP doesn't rely solely on a supply of ships, but of targets. It does you no good whatsoever to have a fat wallet and a hangar full of combat ships if there's nothing for you to shoot at. As the situation worsens, you'll have your roaming ops and go for hours with no targets, since they're all safely tucked away in highsec, where it's easy and safe to make money--safe from PvP'ers like you.

Without the ability of pirates and roamers to ambush money-makers in the asteroid belts, there will increasingly be only one way to force a battle: All-out structure-grinding sov war. So you'll have either total peace or total war.

The time it takes to locate targets in asteroid belts can be measured in seconds rather than minutesGǪ. By focusing on creating income sources that are vulnerable, PvP opportunities abound in what would otherwise be the increasingly-barren middle ground between peace and sov war

If you've been around for awhile, you've probably heard players complain about the lack of small-scale PvP. You've probably wondered how it is that with so many people complaining about the lack of small-scale PvP, all those roaming gangs don't run into each other. The answer is that roaming gangs need targets like fire needs fuel. Without the base of the PvP foodchain provided by PvE'ers in low/null, the roaming gangs disband and log off in frustration.

I have no qualms whatsoever about forcing them to leave EVE.

A miner who contributes a routine mouse-click per hour contributes no more than a bot does

There is no coexistence with the carebears

Let's say you're a can-flipper. Can you coexist with carebears? No, because they virtually eliminated can-flipping. Suppose you like wardecs. Can you coexist with carebears? No, because right now they're pushing CCP to ban non-consensual wardecs. How do you coexist with people who are eliminating your gameplay?

I have a hard time believing any of these supporters are anything but James315 alts. .

I have a hard time believing any of these supporters are anything but James315 alts. .

I have a hard time believing that you're not Issler Dainze's secret alt.

ginger mohawk here surely looks like a james alt, but who the **** cares?

How many alts do you think I....I mean...James 315 has?

I interviewed James 315 as part of the Crossing Zebras CSM8 Election Interviews. You can take a listen here

http://c-z.me/csm8james315

I think James 315 is a perfect way to shut up all of the "nerf hi-sec" people. I mean, you take this post, which is all about nerfing hi-sec, and you realize it's parroting a lot of people that want to nerf hi-sec into oblivion, and the post itself is hilariously terrible.

I interviewed James 315 as part of the Crossing Zebras CSM8 Election Interviews. You can take a listen here

http://c-z.me/csm8james315

30mil and a pledge of support in your bio is customary.

as is giving a "gf" in local after getting suicide ganked sure thing, jimmy

You might be pleased to hear that we suspend this rule in the case that the gankee's pod is located in a different system. As I believe I've said before, the New Order is entirely reasonable.

Can't say that I've read all of this but is James active on this thread or does he have an "elect James315" thread somewhere else?

I found the manifesto on minerbumping, but that seems to be preaching to the converted. How is he going to engage and gain the votes needed to make it onto the CSM?

All I have to say is this:

I want to support James 315, but I'm not cool with him making fun of domestic abuse.

At this rate, James could probably try to get the null coalitions behind him.

All I have to say is this:

I swear to god I must be the only person that don't mind miners getting bumped or suicided and at the same time hate James 315.

Care to explain why you hate the Father of the New Order?

They keep sugar coating it... I know and I think most members that support the so called code is just to dumb to realize that James entire platform is just an elaborate extortion racket.

I got no problem with it... even I do suicide runs on pods and miners but don't sugar coat it as something benign.

Assuming that you're right and that the New Order doesn't help miners in any way at all, why shouldn't the Order act as if they are helping miners?

Because it is disingenuous?

In any event, unless James actually put forward himself as runner for CSM8, threads like these absolutely serves no purpose.

I swear to god I must be the only person that don't mind miners getting bumped or suicided and at the same time hate James 315.

Same here. We never hear the end of his supposedley amazing acheivements.

Yet, what he does is simply something anyone else with half a brain can do and then he acts like he poops gold bricks because he does it.

Whooptee-*******-doo

Okay, challenge accepted.

Go ahead and start a movement that engages hundreds, if not thousands of players, and gets talked about all the time in the forums and in various EVE Online blogs.

Go ahead. Since anyone else with half a brain can do that you can.

So, back up your claim. Do it.

Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money as there are no where near that and frankly I have never been in a system with one of these wonderful cowards.

Here is the unfortunate, inconvenient truth: We need each other. The industries of hi-sec need the consumers of null. The producers of 0.0 need the demand of hi-sec. The manufactories of hi-sec need the primary resources of null. The groups of 0.0 need the new player spawning grounds of empire. Alliances which have failed it in null need a place for their members to retreat to and rebuild from. The war machines of null are equipped with the products of hi-sec. And so on. Any argument, any proposal, any whine or Features & Ideas post, however passionate, which does not take this simple truth into account is doomed to be a Lie.

Burning hi-sec to the ground won't do a single thing to help null. In fact wrecking hi-sec would strangle null within a few months at best [...]

tl;dr: james is a completely egocentric brat, we all know it, nobody cares

Hundreds if not thousands of players?

There are currently 350 unique shareholders. That's hundreds. minerbumping.com receives around 4000 hits per day. That's thousands. And that's not counting many of the miners who get ganked (well over 1200 just this month), or the miners who get bumped (no way of tracking this number).

I think that qualifies as hundreds, if not thousands.

Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money.

How is it a scam?

this thread gave me cancer...

Ok I wont call it a scam for you

I will just use the old adage "There is a sucker born every minute"

So why are the shareholders 'suckers'? You really need to start backing your empty arguments up with some opinion, otherwise you're just coming across as foolish.

ok so hundreds of suckers but as to the 4000 hits a day is that uniques?

Want to make a bald + cancer joke but it might be a little tasteless.

James has proposed a slightly different purpose for HighSec. It wouldn't flat out destroy HighSec, because it includes it as part of the risk/reward system. Right now, many of us have no real drive to push into LowSec, because we can do what we need entirely within HighSec. We can progress well entirely within HighSec. We can accumulate vast quantities of ISK in HighSec.

Part of his proposal is increasing the value of LowSec. As it stands right now, LowSec is kinda the red headed step child that few really bother with. Increasing the reward for venturing into LowSec creates new opportunities for many things. A mining op to LowSec with some security might be worth it, for the right reward. And when a mining op into LowSec isn't just fish in a barrel, maybe targeting mining ops in Low Sec becomes less palatable. From there, LowSec becomes a bit safer for housing some industrial types, while still maintaining a degree of risk, while still being less risky than trying to ninja into someone's 0.0 sov and steal their minerals.

This opens the door for new types of interactions. Right now, holing up in HighSec is a mostly viable method for avoiding interaction. When interaction is forced, people cry. We need them to be less worried about playing with themselves in public, and get out there and play with others. If that means that miners can't AFK mine ice or trit 23/7, I'm not sure that's a huge loss. After initial upheaval, the market normalizes.

As these interactions work with each other, the net effect is that LowSec becomes a safer place, HighSec isn't as desirable, the market improves for Industrialists, combat ships remain in demand, and people spend more time playing the game instead of watching Netflix while their ore holds fill themselves.

This type of approach endorses the idea of sandboxing, because it attacks the idea that your pillow fort really will keep the monsters outside.

So how does all this translate into James's quote....

"High sec. Will. Be. Saved"

What a load of crap lol

So how does all this translate into James's quote....

"High sec. Will. Be. Saved"

What a load of crap lol

I agree that high-sec really needs a representative. which many people have being asked for, and Wescro should fit the best.

Imagine if the 4 high-sec empires were all separated by low-sec space... and daring traders had to run through gatecamps in order to make a killing...

The current state of affairs is that it's still possible to afk freighter from one end of high-sec to the other, and still come out profitable. So... no-one really bothers to do industry in low-sec for its own sake.

Until we get nerfs or buffs (take your pick, I prefer buffs), the solution is VIOLENCE. And violence is something that all brave pilots are entitled to.

Imagine if the 4 high-sec empires were all separated by low-sec space... and daring traders had to run through gatecamps in order to make a killing...

The current state of affairs is that it's still possible to afk freighter from one end of high-sec to the other, and still come out profitable. So... no-one really bothers to do industry in low-sec for its own sake.

Until we get nerfs or buffs (take your pick, I prefer buffs), the solution is VIOLENCE. And violence is something that all brave pilots are entitled to.

Another incisive post by James:
http://themittani.com/features/highsec-rising-danger-safe-zone-eve
Straight to the point as usual

You can't nerf high-sec without losing subs. It'll be painful in the short term but, coupled with buffs in other areas, it's the best thing CCP could do for the game.

Unless the surge in high-sec population is because of low-sec, null-sec, and WH alts, in which case they'll empty back out to where they belong and we lose some terrible **** carebears the game didn't need anyway.

Also, Amyclas Amatin, good to see you out of the Uni, your posts indicated you were too good for them.

Thanks, I even changed my hairstyle and look so that it looks better with a WANTED sign on it.

While I agree with them that every play-style is valuable, it is maddening to see the uni turned into a political tool that pushes for a safe high-sec playground under the banner of the "new player experience". They're using us newbies to make themselves an authority on what new players go through, and claiming that we need to be sheltered from the "bad guys" who would exploit and gank us. (Kelduum's CSM 7 post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67217)

Now they're mad with me for claiming that the U-Mad war is a valuable pvp learning experience. If they had their way, they would have no non-consensual wars in high-sec.

The care-bears have and will continue to use every political edge (mostly numbers) they can to create a playground for themselves. I truly support any endeavor to thin their numbers and return "true" EVE industry, industry with risks and rewards for the bold and daring, to EVE.

P.S. This noob has indy alts that do not operate in highsec.

Actually the whole war dec issue mostly comes about not from people wanting good fights but people acting like bullies. They just need to alter the formula to be about kills rather than members.

So say my corp has 50 kill total in the last 12 months and I war dec Goonswarm for example so 50 mill a week fee. If on the other hand my corp is war decd by a merc corp for example 12000 kills in the last 12 months, so the bill is 5 billion a week.

This would make pvp corps go after other pvp corps of the same kind of level or ones with more kills, without completely removing the occasional fun of wasting miners.

Yeah you want to beat up baby seals you have to pay for the privilege. Unlike the current system where if you want to attack a bigger opponent you must pay more. That was just stupidity.

Easy fixed.

Actually the whole war dec issue mostly comes about not from people wanting good fights but people acting like bullies. They just need to alter the formula to be about kills rather than members.

So say my corp has 50 kill total in the last 12 months and I war dec Goonswarm for example so 50 mill a week fee. If on the other hand my corp is war decd by a merc corp for example 12000 kills in the last 12 months, so the bill is 5 billion a week.

This would make pvp corps go after other pvp corps of the same kind of level or ones with more kills, without completely removing the occasional fun of wasting miners.

Yeah you want to beat up baby seals you have to pay for the privilege. Unlike the current system where if you want to attack a bigger opponent you must pay more. That was just stupidity.

Easy fixed.

Wouldn't people just keep creating new corps with zero kills before wardeccing?

To paraphrase Jame's article on The Mittani, the reason why a combat game is fun is because we get to blow people up. While getting blown up is a sad experience, we don't mind being blown up because the same mechanics that get us blown up also allow us to blow others up.

The carebears are trying to get away from this interaction altogether by petitioning for a safe high-sec.

Eve wouldn't be a true hardcore game without the predator and prey dynamics that we see in high-sec wars.

Of course a "hardcore" game favours the bold, and culls the passive. We shouldn't make the game easier just because casual players from "easy" MMOs won't learn the skills needed to survive in EVE.

Personally I would call it cowardice but at the end of the day it is being bullies.

Now I have no objection to bullies in EvE if you are willing to pay for the privilege, that way more indy players will continue to play the game as has now happened after the barge buff and the PvP guys get to splat indy types for fun.

You want to kill defenseless people go right ahead but pay for your pleasure if not just go and shoot NPCs (they even give you money back)

I would support, but then he said he would try to get rid of high-sec incursions.

No.

You really have a fixation on the word 'coward'.

No I suppose I could consult a thesaurus but coward fits well, so why stop using it?

Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...

Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...

Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.

I think Retribution heavily promoted the idea of violence against criminals...we know how that turned out...

Where's your proof that this will happen?

So far, the only time CCP's income has seriously been put at risk was when they elected to focus on a room that doesn't do anything at the expensive of asploding spaceships.

Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.

James 315 interview:
If he is elected, he will make high sec a nightmare.

he suicide ganks and wardecs miners

He is very clear about taking down the economy.

He want's to nerf high sec and make it easier to destroy...new players

He is very clear about taking down the economy.

directly contradicts any idea of saving high sec.

Defenders of high sec do not taking pleasure in 'collecting' tears from high sec players.

will be high secs undoing in many ways.

Look at his post and get a sense of what kind of candidate he would be, he isen't serious about saving high sec from anything, its propaganda. It isen't broken and no one wants to undo the changes CCP made to high sec.

I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.

I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.

I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.

If the base of the pvp food chain, aka the miners and mission runners respond to a loss of their income and move to low/null, so will their predators. This is like Ecology 101. If the prey move to a new habitat, the predators will either die out or follow them. We are smarter than your garden variety sloth, so I think the predators will put 2 and 2 together and follow their prey.

I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets.

I still don't understand the logic of this.

His plan is to make High Sec so full of gankers and so dangerous that miners will go....to low/null? Why would a player who didn't like being killed go to a PvPier area of the game? Wouldn't they just play some other game? (Or cease to exist entirely, because of how many of them are alts)?

Basically he wants to nerf the rewards for being in highsec to the point where people have no choice to go to low or null AKA the more risk the greater the reward. He wants to force player interaction (which you really can't force on anyone no matter how hard you try). It's like James can't see anything from anyone else's point of view.

What's funny is, a lot of people who balk at nerfing high sec happily sign on for buffing low/null. The end result is the same, high sec becomes unattractive relative to low/null, so why all the pussyfooting about nerfing high sec? It really shows the entitlement mentality of the high sec player. "What ever you do, don't take away our easy ISK! We need that or we will unsub!" Meanwhile, the easy access to oodles of ISK playing in super safe solo play-style is stifling player interaction and miner ganking is at record lows.

You want to earn bazillions. God bless. But your gonna have to take risks, and in high sec those risks just aren't there. Earn your moolah where I can shoot you damnit. I didn't sub to a cuthroat spaceship war game to spin my damn ship in the hangar.

Earn your moolah where I can shoot you damnit.

if you're in a big alliance, null mining is pretty easy ISK too.

What is your stance on AFK skill training?