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Jakey Son School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:16:00 - [1] - Quote Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow. Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time. Ok, fine. no quarrels there. But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc. I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine. But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons? Cheers
Maire Gheren Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 127	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:19:00 - [2] - Quote Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent....
Jakey Son School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:23:00 - [3] - Quote Maire Gheren wrote: Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent.... Sorry, but I am pretty new to EVE. A lot of what you said wasn't fully understood.
Demolishar United Aggression 770	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:34:00 - [4] - Quote If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point.
Jakey Son School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:39:00 - [5] - Quote Demolishar wrote: If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point. Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green. As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy? Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning) Can't passively mine. Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now.
Callduron 173	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:04:00 - [6] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Demolishar wrote: If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point. Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green. As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy? Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning) Can't passively mine. Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now. At your stage simply focus on your main. If you join a corporation where it would be dangerous to travel in high sec (because they're always wardecced) it can be nice to have a neutral alt who can shop for you.
Lia Danna State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:17:00 - [7] - Quote Same account characters have a huge number of potential uses, but until you know what those are, just train your main character to do it. Some of the main uses of a same account alt are: 1) scanning alts 2) Trade alts 3) hauler alts 4) research/indy alts 5) PvE alts 6) Gank/Scam alts Basically, if it is a task that requires being in a different location than where your main normally hangs out, or involves doing something that you wouldn't want associated with your main character, using a same account alt might be a good idea.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 802	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:18:00 - [8] - Quote there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits. then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions. then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums. . . . . "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Praxis Ginimic 249	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:21:00 - [9] - Quote You only need to log in for a couple minutes a day to do PI or station trading. A week's worth of skill training will allow you to do either somewhat efficiently. Then you just log in, adjust your orders (or update your planets or whatever) then log off and play withyour main. Also a good hauler is something every one needs
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7356	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:24:00 - [10] - Quote I have a second character on my account... used to have it's own but once it got trained to a level where it could make me isk I transferred it over I need the 2nd character because I know what's going to happen... I'll stay on the straight and narrow and then one day I'm going to fall off the wagon and massacre an obedience school for kittens and be at -10 again "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1120	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:27:00 - [11] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Demolishar wrote: If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point. Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green. As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy? Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning) Can't passively mine. Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now. People who do industry of one sort or another do a great deal passively. Log the alt on (who's had just enough training to be useful). Stick on 10 industry jobs. stick on some research jobs too. Log off, then onto your other alt. Stick another 10 jobs on. Log off. Log your main on. stick another 10 jobs on. Go do something fun. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 1886	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:39:00 - [12] - Quote My "main" character here is a "criminal" and thus cannot enter high security space to get replacement ships and supplies. So I use one of character slots on my account to create a "hauling alt" to ferry stuff back and forth. The last character slot is used for an alt that "finds" and spies on people. She watches people, sees what ships they fly, and what they do with them. Very good for marking targets and figuring out what their weaknesses are. And yes... you do need to pause training on your "main character" for a small bit. But skill specialties like hauling (industrial ships) and "spying" are not huge "timesinks" relative to other professions. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
MadMuppet Three Fish In A Box 760	Posted - 2013.02.04 03:22:00 - [13] - Quote Both my alts on this account have basic training to be corp CEOs. I bounce between them to avoid having to pay taxes in the NPC corps (11%) and also to evade wardecs. Right now one corp in in Faction Warfare so I can join whenever I want without the 24 hour cooldown and then jump back out when I'm done for the weekend. I also use them for supply runs (my main is kill-on-site in a couple areas... too many faction missions) as well as Planetary Interaction when I don't get bored out of my mind with it as well as camp them at major trade hubs to check prices. I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 273	Posted - 2013.02.04 07:57:00 - [14] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Maire Gheren wrote: Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent.... Sorry, but I am pretty new to EVE. A lot of what you said wasn't fully understood. If you ever find yourself saying something like this, then the answer to your original question is a firm, capitalized "NO". Like, not even slightly. Don't do it until you know why you should do it.
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 778	Posted - 2013.02.04 10:53:00 - [15] - Quote I have 3 characters on 1 account, this one is my main which i (play or...login haha) and 2 chicks who i log just to do PI stuff as passive income every 2 days or so. It took around a week to train each character to use 5 planets and after that you are free :). Every little helps. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 356	Posted - 2013.02.04 11:49:00 - [16] - Quote Two of my three chars sit in trading hubs and do station trading. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Mangala Solaris for CSM 8
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7554	Posted - 2013.02.04 11:59:00 - [17] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow. Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time. Ok, fine. no quarrels there. But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc. I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine. But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons? Cheers Yes. I have all the skills I really need on Malc, so now I'm training up a second character on this accout, because she can be somewhere else in New Eden than Malc, with different skill specialisations, in a different ship, ready to go. I also have a ~1M SP cyno alt in an NPC corp which is super useful, as my second account has my capital specialised "second main". On my second account, I also have skilled up a hi-sec mission runner as a second character, so when 0.0 is quiet (most of the time) or if I'm just tired, I can log in and do some low intensity ISK making while chatting to my friends. I also have a ~800k SP scout alt in an NPC corp, although I very rarely use him now. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:04:00 - [18] - Quote Basically, as some have pointed out through examples, they are good for characters that fill roles your main character cannot (either due to affiliation getting in the way, or needing to be somewhere different to where your main is based), and fill a role which does not require extensive training. The second bit is key, since it costs you training time on your main character to train these guys up, but if a role only needs a million or so sp, its a waste to pay for a second account, when you can just spend a month or so training them then switching back to your main. As examples, certain duties only need a baseline of skills, which once trained, the character need never train another skill. Such roles as Market Trading, Industry, certain combat roles like cynoing, and yes, even mining (although that is much longer before you hit the cap), all have finite skill-levels, where once they have hit a point, you can't spend more points in that avenue. Both back-up characters on this characters account fill that role. - the first has training in industrial ships, the relevant skills to use the modules fitted on that industrial, and the market training skills. In all, this took a couple of weeks of training time off my main character, now she never needs another skill. This is due to my Alliance - I can't easily move around in high security space due to enemies (both player and faction police), and therefore can't get to trading hubs, so she does that for me, and ships things I need to the border of my alliances space, where this character can collect it.. - the second flies Stealth Bombers. Again, ~month training time for all the skills needed for flying bombers. He serves as a recon alt, often being many regions away from where this character is located.
Bow'en Solutum Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 26	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:00:00 - [19] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow. Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time. Ok, fine. no quarrels there. But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc. I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine. But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons? Cheers I have a Jita alt who I send ISK to, that character buys what I need, contracts it back to me and then I contract it to my shipping contacts to get it into Null Sec. This prevents this character from having to leave Null sec to resupply.
London Kellerman Freemen of the Verge Freemen Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:03:00 - [20] - Quote This is about where I'm at as well. I think Aralyn, as well as many others, have gotten it spot on. I had one character for about a year, he can fly a few things, and has basic skills since I was new, and never really knew what to make of myself. I didn't give the game a shot and missed out on a lot back then. Then I created my "main" who has almost nothing compared to the rest of the universe but can be versatile, if not very specialized. Enough to keep me busy doing missions up to level 4, mining, transporting a few things but not in any fancy ships or with higher level fittings. The bonus to the alt still being around is if my main's corporation is ever at war, I have an way to ferry supplies about and keep things running. Recently , I've discovered PI and manufacturing and such and I don't want to clutter up a skill book that is so all over the place I can't make sense of it. lol Plus I've decided I want a persona to specialize in something idle that I don't have to be logged in for. So I've opted to start a third and she will be specialty to those things, as well as being able to pilot some of the freighters to really move goods around. Once she is skilled enough, I'll go back to training as needed on my other pilots and just see where the world takes me. I've been in EVE for nigh six years but have been in and out of playing for nearly half of that, and half-assed my skills for most of *that* time. lol I finally learned to use skill-planners and they've improved my feelings about what I'm doing. Right now, if you're still relatively new, you may want to play on a main and learn a bit before jumping to an alt or two. Get a hang of it and a feel for what you want since the universe in EVE really is your playground. I am finally treating EVE less like an immediately gratifying (I know, I'm sorry to even say the word here) WoW, and more like the long-term, in-depth, thoughtful entertainment that it is. Since I'm in it for the longer run, I shall be much happier not worrying about a few days here and there in training time or who's doing what. I guess I'm trying to relate an acceptable need for alts through personal experience but not an immediate rush to get them
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 39	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow. Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time. Ok, fine. no quarrels there. But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc. I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine. But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons? Cheers Cyno alt (only takes 1 week training) Price checking alt Trader (only couple of days to start trading at a good efficiency) PI (only couple of days). Bought character (pre trained) And some people like to keep their PvP player a PvP player (so no mining skills) and just stop to train the mining character. It can be done on the same character but to some it's like cursing, they hate industry skills. And all those industry skills also add up to the SP you need to reimburse with a clone (though it's only a small part, it can just make have to buy a bigger clone).
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 39	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:41:00 - [22] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits. then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions. then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums. . . . . Chickens I call them. Or faggots. Be a real man, post with your main. Or don't post at all. Live with the consequences of your actions.
Quinc4623 Borg Mining Collective Unimatrix 01 Synthetic Systems 12	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:45:00 - [23] - Quote Research, industry, and planet stuff can double or triple by training each of your character slots with those skills. With research, industry and planets you just log on relatively briefly for each character you've trained. If you want to get into industry or trading, you should create an industry/trading alt. You main can fly off anywhere on a whim, while the industry/trading alt remains where ever it is most convenient for trading and industry. The alt can also avoid missions, maintain relatively neutral standings, and remain in a NPC controlled corp, and thus be safe within all of high security space, regardless of what you do with your main. Pirates basically NEED an alt like this to get stuff from high sec, and it's also useful if you lose lots of standings with someone, or get a war declaration. Generally only your main trains for combat. Mining can be done with either your main or industry alt. The main might participate in big corp mining fleets, while an alt might be stuck alone. Though it can be great to log in with your alt who lives near a high-sec ice field, and then mine ice while reading a book.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 807	Posted - 2013.02.04 22:16:00 - [24] - Quote Steven Koskanaiken wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits. then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions. then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums. . . . . Chickens I call them. Or faggots. Be a real man, post with your main. Or don't post at all. Live with the consequences of your actions. let us see. i have the choice of being called a faggot by an angry RvB kid and losing multi-billion ships and/or pods and/or POSes to him and his likes. i think i have made my choice. there are two kinds of risks: necessary and stupid. you take the first kind and avoid the second kind. if you disagree, feel free to try and get a badger full of PLEX from jita to amarr and back. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 40	Posted - 2013.02.04 22:29:00 - [25] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Steven Koskanaiken wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits. then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions. then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums. . . . . Chickens I call them. Or faggots. Be a real man, post with your main. Or don't post at all. Live with the consequences of your actions. let us see. i have the choice of being called a faggot by an angry RvB kid and losing multi-billion ships and/or pods and/or POSes to him and his likes. i think i have made my choice. there are two kinds of risks: necessary and stupid. you take the first kind and avoid the second kind. if you disagree, feel free to try and get a badger full of PLEX from jita to amarr and back. Not that hard...double wrap it, webbing alts and loads of safe spots. And you can avoid your second one, by posting smart. By re-reading your own post before you submit it.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 807	Posted - 2013.02.04 22:44:00 - [26] - Quote Steven Koskanaiken wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: Steven Koskanaiken wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits. then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions. then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums. . . . . Chickens I call them. Or faggots. Be a real man, post with your main. Or don't post at all. Live with the consequences of your actions. let us see. i have the choice of being called a faggot by an angry RvB kid and losing multi-billion ships and/or pods and/or POSes to him and his likes. i think i have made my choice. there are two kinds of risks: necessary and stupid. you take the first kind and avoid the second kind. if you disagree, feel free to try and get a badger full of PLEX from jita to amarr and back. Not that hard...double wrap it, webbing alts and loads of safe spots. And you can avoid your second one, by posting smart. By re-reading your own post before you submit it. i was going to write a serious answer then i realized that you are either trolling or stupid. good day to you, sir. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1635	Posted - 2013.02.05 00:55:00 - [27] - Quote The key point in this making sense is to have reached a target skillset on all OTHER characters on the account (so that you keep on training only the "main" character). Big bonus points for the roles those other characters are being used in having no need for prolonged login time (so you can spend most of your online time on your main). An alternative borderline good reason would be clone cost. If a huge portion of your main's skills are non-PvP in nature, having a separate PvP-only alt would actually make some sense. Clone cost can get prohibitively expensive to a semi-casual PvPer who doesn't want to use cash to buy PLEX to fund his PvP habits, but rather spend less per death instead (and generally fly cheap ships to begin with). ... You can further speed up the whole process by having a second (or even a third) account where you train your secondary/tertiary character, then, when you're happy with their skillsets, transfer them to your main account and close off the secondary/tertiary accounts. This is made less expensive with the "power of two" style offers (if you want a decent but not too high SP total). In fact, it's ever so slightly cheaper than spending that much time on your main. Well, that, or simply purchase already-trained-by-others characters from the forum. They seldom have the exact mix of skills you need, and you might have some reputation surprises, but they could run much cheaper overall. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1964	Posted - 2013.02.05 01:39:00 - [28] - Quote I've removed some off topic posts. Please keep it civil and on topic please. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE 32	Posted - 2013.02.05 02:47:00 - [29] - Quote Main - PVP and all related skills/supports Alt - Jita shopping Alt - Basic hauler (can haul up to packaged battlecruisers) I park my Jita alt in Jita (surprise surprise) to buy things to be shipped to where I am. The hauler alt took almost no time to train to fly bestowers (few hours) back when they gave you skill points depending on your starting race. Both alts are now cyno capable and can use combat probes (takes about 1 week) for those 'just in case' moments. It all depends on what you require really, some people have it all on 1 character, some use 2 accounts to train 2 characters at the same time.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:40:00 - [30] - Quote Jakey Son wrote: Maire Gheren wrote: Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent.... Sorry, but I am pretty new to EVE. A lot of what you said wasn't fully understood. Cyno: Some ships have built in jump drives. To know where to jump to, someone at the destination has to light a cynosaural field. When you activate the cyno generator on your ship, it lasts for 5 mins. You can't do anything in that time. Now, the cyno can only be activated in low sec or null sec, and you are sitting there for 5 minutes. AND, the cyno is listed in everyone's overview, just like gates and stations and such. The result of all of this is that the person lighting the cyno dies a lot. You don't want those deaths clogging up the kill boards of your main looking like you suck. So people will often use special accounts just for this. ALSO, you may jump between two locations a lot. Rather than moving one alt between these locations, you can have an alt in each. light the cyno in one place, jump, pick up some stuff. logoout the first cyno, log back in on the other toon. Light another cyno in the other location, jump again. hisec hauler: Let's say you get into a PVP corp that does a lot of war declarations to be able to fight other people. Well, the last thing you want to do is move a lot of stuff around during war. So, you log into this other character, that is not in your PVP corp, so it not at war. He then moves the stuff. OR, if you hang out in low sec killing people, and have a low sec status, then you can't go into high sec without the navy/police coming after you. So, you have a non-pirate alt that goes into high sec for you. Anonymous forum poster: That is what this is. I say things here that makes some people angry. I don't want them taking it out on me in game. So, this character exists ONLY to post things on these forums. I never actually play this character in game. Anonymous Bounty alt: If you want to put a bounty on someone, they will get an email saying that you did it. If you don't want them doing the same back, then you can do it with an alt that you don't really play in game. Jita Market Agent: Jita solar system is the main trade hub. If you want to get an idea how much you should buy/sell something for in other places, then the Jita price can tell you if the price you are asking/paying is reasonable or not. I'll add one. Back when I was in null for awhile, we had a service that would move things from Jita to null for us. So, if I wanted something that was not available in my ares, rather than moving my main to high sec to get it, I would log in an lat, buy it, contract it to our service to move it for me. A couple days later, poof, it was jump freightered out to me in null.

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