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Corey Fumimasa
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:59:00 -
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What % of new players stick with the game? Of the people who started within the past 2 or 3 years what % do you think stayed with the game?
Then think back 7 or 8 years. What % of the new players back then stuck with the game?
And not retread players who have been in and out of the game for a long time, rather brand new blood.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Whitehound
611
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:04:00 -
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See here and scroll down to Skillpoint Distribution. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |

Corey Fumimasa
Perkone Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:08:00 -
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Great chart. Thank you.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Whitehound
611
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:12:00 -
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You owe me a Like!! SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |

T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
573
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:19:00 -
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NO, DON'T GIVE IN. DON'T LIKE IT.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno Came. It was meh. // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7356
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:19:00 -
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I'll give you a 1 like tip  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1620
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:24:00 -
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That chart is only an example of those pilots registered on EVEboard, which tends to indicate they are almost all active pilots, or have been. In fact, it only actually accounts for 160K pilots in total over the span of its development. Assuming we can eliminate those pilots registered who have been deactivated, then we can say that all the pilots there are active, or mostly active to date.
You'd have to ask Chribba to know for sure. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
605
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:38:00 -
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From my experience 1 out of 6 trials subscribe. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
427
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:18:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:What % of new players stick with the game? Of the people who started within the past 2 or 3 years what % do you think stayed with the game?
Then think back 7 or 8 years. What % of the new players back then stuck with the game?
And not retread players who have been in and out of the game for a long time, rather brand new blood.
Considering how hard CCP is pushing the "Power of Two" promos, it's probably not very good.....
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
417
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:26:00 -
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The problem with all such metrics is that it's impossible to know how many of the 'new' accounts that are really new and how many that are returnees, alts or just people rolling a trial noob for fun (or more sinister reasons).
Edit: And as a side note. The power of two accounts need not to be alts.
I used it to kickstart an account for a friend, and he's still playing, years later. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
772
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:31:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote: And as a side note. The power of two accounts need not to be alts.
Yes they do. They're registered automatically in your name, which means that any transferral to a friend is therefore BANNABLE under article 3 of the EULA, change of name under account details or not. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2135
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:52:00 -
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On a two week trial, your average player gets 'free stuff'' can griefed on his first day. Can flipped on his second day. Ganked on the third while mining in his noob mining ship. Gate ganked on the fifth day hauling his stuff to a market hub and robbed in a corp recruitment scam on the sixth. He stops logging in on the seventh day.
Mr Epeen  -ávOv |

baltec1
Bat Country
5021
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:54:00 -
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This |

Thorrahrafn
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:13:00 -
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I am going to guess about the same percentage who stick with crossfit after their first workout. |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
2897
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:32:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:What % of new players stick with the game? Of the people who started within the past 2 or 3 years what % do you think stayed with the game?
Then think back 7 or 8 years. What % of the new players back then stuck with the game?
And not retread players who have been in and out of the game for a long time, rather brand new blood.
I'm pretty sure that this isn't information that can possibly be meaningful to you.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Kanexus
Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:34:00 -
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i think about 1 out of 5 sub to the game after playing the trial. Out of the trial players that stick proly only 10 percent sub for at least 3 months. and i think only like 2 percent of the 10 percent sub for at least 6 months. I myself have been playin sinice 2009 and i have quit playing like 3 times already...the only way i believe for people to stick to eve is if they find a great corp on their first or second attempt...i myself want to see it all in eve...and i get lost in the crowd alot and therefore unsub...i cant imagine a new player tryin to take it all in considering most players nowadays want instant gratification |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
2897
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:36:00 -
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Actually, it's very obvious that you think this is an exceedingly low number. So low, in fact, that the tired old meme "Eve is Dying" is actually true. Obviously, the player retention efforts that CCP have put in place are so terrible that they have one of the only MMOs in the world with a positive growth rate for a ******* decade.
Seriously, if you have ideas for how to help the NPE, then spit them out. If you want to tell everyone you know how to run a game company better than CCP... well, you're free to try. Get some venture funding, start a company. Hire a bunch of people. Find out just how much you didn't know.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
156
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Posted - 2013.02.04 06:18:00 -
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Chart is flawed as it only incorporates players who have bothered to upload their api, and thus, includes practically NONE of the players who tried eve, and did not stick with the game.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1083
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Posted - 2013.02.04 06:25:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Actually, it's very obvious that you think this is an exceedingly low number. So low, in fact, that the tired old meme "Eve is Dying" is actually true. Obviously, the player retention efforts that CCP have put in place are so terrible that they have one of the only MMOs in the world with a positive growth rate for a ******* decade.
Seriously, if you have ideas for how to help the NPE, then spit them out. If you want to tell everyone you know how to run a game company better than CCP... well, you're free to try. Get some venture funding, start a company. Hire a bunch of people. Find out just how much you didn't know.
-Liang
Well your quite defensive over retention numbers Liang.
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.04 07:45:00 -
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Working on my second month here.
It looks like the average account age is 4 years?
Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
2901
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:12:00 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Working on my second month here.
It looks like the average account age is 4 years?
Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.
Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ai Shun
846
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:12:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Actually, it's very obvious that you think this is an exceedingly low number. So low, in fact, that the tired old meme "Eve is Dying" is actually true. Obviously, the player retention efforts that CCP have put in place are so terrible that they have one of the only MMOs in the world with a positive growth rate for a ******* decade.
Thank you! The CSM / CCP has also released those numbers; at least as of the last Mittani CSM which showed pretty much that as well.
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |

Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
159
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:15:00 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Working on my second month here.
It looks like the average account age is 4 years?
Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.
Many people take breaks, sometimes long ones, and accounts don't get deleted for going inactive, or practically any other reason. Thus, the average account age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more accounts are created, and kept, that age will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for. |

Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
159
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:18:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Many people take breasts, sometimes long ones, . Thus, the average age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more breasts are created, and kept, their size will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for.
Hey, I didn't say that! |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
960
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:37:00 -
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I first subbed in early '07, played for 7 months, then took a 4 year break, returned, and will have actual play time of nearly 2 years shortly.
My point being, that is very difficult to come up with meaningful statistics in Eve. This is not a signature. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3030
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Posted - 2013.02.04 11:05:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I'm pretty sure that this isn't information that can possibly be meaningful to you.
He's run out of silly things to argue about and is looking for something new.
In related news, my favourite pony is Pinky Pie.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7554
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Posted - 2013.02.04 11:40:00 -
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The rate of sub increases has slowed every time hi-sec gets safer
Therefore we should make hi-sec more dangerous and exciting to save EVE.
(logically) Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:07:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.
-Liang
I've played a few MMOs, my shortest time is 6 months. Longest about 8 years. Love em.
So I guess my average is at least a few years.
Really old wouldn't be my game time, it would be my age. 
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Whitehound
631
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The rate of sub increases has slowed every time hi-sec gets safer
Therefore we should make hi-sec more dangerous and exciting to save EVE.
(logically) It is not your business.
Also, I did not think I ever see you say "EVE is dying", but here we are with you wanting to save it. 
I am sooooo not going to vote for you. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |

Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:08:00 -
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Arronicus wrote: Many people take breaks, sometimes long ones, and accounts don't get deleted for going inactive, or practically any other reason. Thus, the average account age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more accounts are created, and kept, that age will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for.
Ah, cool. That makes sense. Thanks! |
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