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Thgil Goldcore Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 520	Posted - 2013.02.04 03:20:00 - [1] - Quote So, simple discussion with intended over analyzing intended. Who would win in a battle between the Galactic Empire (Star wars) and the Amarr Empire (Eve... duh)? In this sense, comparable fleets would do battle... not the entire empires themselves. So a detachment of star destroyers and lesser escort ships against a group of battleships and lesser support ships. This isn't a fight between their largest ships and fleets. just comparable ones. And it is a battle to the death! Some quick ground rules to stage the fight, since obvious problems would arise if you let all of cannon into play. So to put a few limitations and restrictions in place is required. First rule, The fight takes place in one system. No ship can leave that system, nor enter. This is a fixed battle in one place. Although moving about the system is perfectly acceptable. Second rule, No major characters. Things get complicated when you say 'well if Darth Vader was there' or other such stuff. Third rule, Each ship plays by its own physics. Sci fi always takes some liberties with physics, its just the nature of the beast. So lets assume that on board each ship works by their own universe's physics. Forth rule, They have no intel on each-other. They don't have any initial tactical knowledge about each-others abilities, weaknesses, etc. So now that the rules are in place.... Who would win? Who would lose? Would it be a blow out or an great match? Explain your arguments one way or another. Lets have fun and get the nerd rage flowing!
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1599	Posted - 2013.02.04 04:14:00 - [2] - Quote EVE ships can repair themselves while in battle which would be a pretty significant advantage. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams
Arkady Vachon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2013.02.04 05:24:00 - [3] - Quote I have a bad feeling about this... Nothing Personal - Just Business... Chaos Creates Content
Rain6639 Team Evil 168	Posted - 2013.02.04 05:26:00 - [4] - Quote I thought we talked about this falcon remote reps neuts PL everyone and their momma showing up to prove the tactical superiority of a space MMO that is ten years deep I'm sure we could bait intel-blind noobs into getting concordokken'd somehow EDM? you mean EFM
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Cult of Escobar 138	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote Only fair that we also get to use carriers! See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win. Or, you know, batphone PL.
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:20:00 - [6] - Quote Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote: Only fair that we also get to use carriers! See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win. Or, you know, batphone PL. size-wise, battleships are even with star destroyers. EDM? you mean EFM
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Cult of Escobar 138	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:24:00 - [7] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote: Only fair that we also get to use carriers! See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win. Or, you know, batphone PL. size-wise, battleships are even with star destroyers. Star destroyers use fighters (and laz0rs!), which are for carriers only.
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:26:00 - [8] - Quote yah but that's why I said smartbombs, and I think it's fair when we have drone boats plus it would be what, 50 immortal ghosts-in-the-shells against thousands of crew? where's the risk EDM? you mean EFM
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Cult of Escobar 138	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:02:00 - [9] - Quote Thgil Goldcore wrote: First rule, The fight takes place in one system. No ship can leave that system, nor enter. This is a fixed battle in one place. Although moving about the system is perfectly acceptable. We risk running out of ships and losing to those silly people in costumes...
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:05:00 - [10] - Quote their fighters and our fighters are similar in name only. theirs would get instapopped by mediums, hacked down pretty quickly by lights. tiny frigs with straight-ahead, manual targeting. it's like a biplane with prop guns EDM? you mean EFM

Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 1815	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:05:00 - [11] - Quote Empire builds 1 super star destroyer and 1 Deathstar and deploys them willy-nilly against rebels. Neut PL alt lights cyno and drops 45 Avatars who proceed to 1 volley the super star destroyer and doomsday the deathstar. The killmails are repeatedly linked in local for an hour. Empire takes to the forums to cry about force projection and blob warfare. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Khergit Deserters 683	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:13:00 - [12] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: their fighters and our fighters are similar in name only. theirs would get instapopped by mediums, hacked down pretty quickly by lights. tiny frigs with straight-ahead, manual targeting. it's like a biplane with prop guns Yeah, but TIE fighters are controlled by that little twiddly volume control knob thing. How are we going to battle that? Besides, the Empire has The Force, Dark Side of. Amarr have no Force in them whatsoever. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:15:00 - [13] - Quote you can't force choke drones, so that's good. EDM? you mean EFM
Zimmy Zeta RvB - RED Federation 7025	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote Armament of an Imperial class Star Destroyer: Octuple barbette turbolaser or Ion cannons (8) Heavy turbolaser batteries (50) Turbolaser batteries (50) Additional turbolaser batteries (26+) Heavy ion cannons (20) Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10) source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_Star_Destroyer So that's at least 146 laser guns on a single Star Destroyer plus 72 TIE fighters, while Amarrian subcap ships have a maximum of 16 laser guns and a maximum of 5 active drones at any given time. Yes, I know, I am a terrible nerd... Please don't feed me.
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:17:00 - [15] - Quote yah but their gunners suck and their lasers are slow EDM? you mean EFM
Mizhir Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 3532	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:20:00 - [16] - Quote The Empire doesn't have logis and they dont call primaries .... noobs. The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve
Rain6639 Team Evil 171	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:24:00 - [17] - Quote it's safe to say we have better intel. I still don't know what half our ships do EDM? you mean EFM
Thgil Goldcore Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 521	Posted - 2013.02.05 06:38:00 - [18] - Quote i should note that the smart bombs aren't typical armaments for Amarr empire ships, and since neither side knows anything about what they are up against, not fair to say the Amarr empire would be packing alot. Alot of the star destroyers weapons are very short range low power weapons designed to destroy small craft. So any drones employed by the Amarr would likely be insta-gibbed... which would crush a gallente fleet, but the Amarr fleet doesn't use drones as their primary weapon systems. In terms of damage, the hordes of tie fighters should not be underestimated. While true their power is more on par with light drones... a few hundred of them is pretty scary. The Amarr ships are not equiped with many small turrets light the star wars ships have to counter that threat. So the Amarr fleet will take alot of damage to be sure. Also Tie fighters dont become still just because their original ship was destroyed.... they'll keep fighting! On the other hand, the Amarr battleships have some pretty impressively large guns. Typical Star was ships don't have nearly as powerful of main guns and defenses are not apt to repel such a deadly threat. At the end of the day, ships will sink fast! I wana say the Amarr empire would take the field at the end of the day, but not without heavy losses.
Rain6639 Team Evil 174	Posted - 2013.02.05 06:49:00 - [19] - Quote no! I've watched the movies, therefore I have the intel. EDM? you mean EFM
baltec1 Bat Country 5029	Posted - 2013.02.05 12:56:00 - [20] - Quote It would be an even fight if not for the poor gunnery skills of the stormtroopers

mama guru Thundercats The Initiative. 90	Posted - 2013.02.05 13:04:00 - [21] - Quote Thats not a mushroomed shaped asteroid... Thats a starship. ______ EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Rain6639 Team Evil 177	Posted - 2013.02.05 14:09:00 - [22] - Quote http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1302/headtohead.jpg EDM? you mean EFM
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 1834	Posted - 2013.02.05 16:45:00 - [23] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1302/headtohead.jpg That look less like a empires head to head...and more like the old Incredible Hulk tv show.... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Mizhir Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 3615	Posted - 2013.02.05 16:51:00 - [24] - Quote Well, I guess the Amarr empire can just use the typical RnK setup. The Archon backbone will make it hard to break their ships and the refitting allows the to use smartbombs to clear out Fighters. The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve
Rain6639 Team Evil 179	Posted - 2013.02.05 19:56:00 - [25] - Quote see! smartbombs EDM? you mean EFM
Charlepetit LaJoie Trust Me Ltd 236	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:20:00 - [26] - Quote The Galactic Empire had great small fighters, but terrible Fleet Commanders, and I don't remember them ever accomplishing much with any of their midsized ships. Other posters have pointed out the great advantage of remote repair ships in the Amarr fleet. I'm betting on the Amarr to win. (The after-battle videos would look pretty classy. Black ships vs. golden ships.) Khergit Deserters wrote: Besides, the Empire has The Force, Dark Side of. Amarr have no Force in them whatsoever. ItGÇÖs a good point, but the Sith donGÇÖt seem to have bothered much with the direct command of fleet battles during the time period of the Galactic Empire. Darth Vader himself usually abandoned command to the admirals while he bopped about in TIE fighters or led small parties of Stormtroopers. So I am discounting the influence of the Force. Besides, the Empress says that God is on the side of the Amarr. Top that.
Rain6639 Team Evil 179	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:24:00 - [27] - Quote Vader's a glory seeker lol EDM? you mean EFM
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 850	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:47:00 - [28] - Quote the Nerd is strong with these ones. no, seriously. i only understand about half this thread. i seem to remember at some point being told that each star destroyer in star wars was like a mile long. and that the "super" variety was like 9 miles. i get no impression of that kind of size in our ships. even the big ones. hundreds of guns on each. as far as the repair ship idea goes, i think they would just target/jam/tractor whatever they do those ships when they find out what they are up to and take them out first. plus the empire likes to blow up planets and stuff. so idk, judging by what i've heard and been exposed to regarding star wars vs what i've seen in EvE...i'd hazard the guess that the star wars ships would wipe their asses with EvE ships and not even bother with the dingleberry-esque drones.
Thgil Goldcore Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 523	Posted - 2013.02.05 21:16:00 - [29] - Quote I think people take the remote repair bit out of context a little. True, amarr ships can repair armor, big help for sure. But that isn't to say that the star wars ships have no defenses at all. I would wager that the Star Wars ships have quite decent defenses at the end of the day.... just more shields Star wars ships dont have armor at all... not in the same sense of the Empire where that is their main source of defense. And the Star wars ships shields DO recharge at quite a fast rate.... although the shields only protect against large blasts, its why small fighters are able to effectively destroy hard-points on the Star Destroyers, although not do significant damage to the ships themselves. Another thing star wars does implment is boarders. Star destroyers do have a rather large complement of fighting troops while the Amarr ships really dont have anything significant in terms of ways to repel such a thing. Since we aren't talking about pod ships (just standard amarr navy ships), there would be alot of internal damage that could be done by a squad of gunny storm-troopers... Although admittedly finding their way aboard may be a tall order... More so if the ship doesn't have a drone bay. I still think the Amarr empire would win. Be a great fight though.
Ila Dace Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2013.02.05 21:23:00 - [30] - Quote There are basically two likelihoods: One: We send AndrewZ Inv in his Arbitrator with three or four reships... he wipes the whole fleet as nothing can hit him with the TD bonus. When they get lucky, he comes back in another one... or Two: Emperor: What do you mean we no longer have an Empire?!? Vader: Apparently General Podus was actually a spy named A55Master HueHue. He disbanded the alliance and created a corporation named The Empire. We can't access the Death Star and he reprocessed all the Star Destroyers. Emperor: Who gave him roles? Vader: You did... You had six Flaming Gundarks with General Podus and thought he was "an awesome dude" after he went out force choking with you. Emperor: He's not a Sith though. Vader: He had some alts that pretended to suffocate when he wiggled his fingers at them. Emperor: The shall PAY!!! If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg



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